Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread?
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I get the article and appreciate it but not seeing either Mariota, Winston, Carr, etc in Mitch Trubisky. If you take a player #12 or higher he better be a starter week one and a contributor. QBs are the hardest to evaluate and the most risky to draft. I think I'm still in the camp of draft D twice and then BPA, start a veteran FA QB and hope for the best. I look at the QBs in this draft as eerily similar to last season.
Well said. I don't want a QB in round 1 either. I just felt like sharing the article because the thing I felt most uncomfortable with regarding Trubisky was his lack of experience; BUT this article gave me a different perspective to weigh on the lack of experience thing. More specifically, there's less spread offense/bad habits to de-program with Trubisky.
I don't think Davis Webb is a huge drop-off from the guys slated for round 1. This is especially since I'm hearing a couple draft analysts saying none of QBs in this draft class are ready to be a full time starter in year 1. Meatball on spaghetti, is the environment in Cleveland isn't suitable for a QB to start in at all. Inexperienced WRs, 32 year old TE, and an offensive line that doesn't pass protect well when it's healthy (let alone when it had to replace 2 starting Guards).
More specifically, there's less spread offense/bad habits to de-program with Trubisky.
So the only better choice would be a QB with no starts?
Polian discussed one of those bad practices yesterday... going thru a progression to find an open receiver.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
More specifically, there's less spread offense/bad habits to de-program with Trubisky.
So the only better choice would be a QB with no starts?
Polian discussed one of those bad practices yesterday... going thru a progression to find an open receiver.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.
So the only better choice would be a QB with no starts?
Polian discussed one of those bad practices yesterday... going thru a progression to find an open receiver.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.
I feel like Carr would have to be included in there somewhere.
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I really think the browns preference is to wait on a qb in this draft. It's becoming pretty clear from what I have watched of the combine that the two qb's who are distancing themselves are Watson and Trubisky. No one else is even in the conversation for the first round anymore (unless a team trades into the back end just to get that 5th year option). other than those two guys, i'm not sure there is much difference between the rest of the next top 4, in no particular order of Kizer, Mahomes, Webb and Dobbs. Some would say Kayaa but I see Kessler 2.0, so I don't think he is a consideration for the Browns. It just does not make sense to rush the pick when they are all about the same. The other side from what I can gather, is there does not seem to be any knuckle head qb's in this draft. Guys that scare you off because they are dumb or have the JFF factor. For the most part, they all seem as though they want to put in the work, be the guy, etc.
IMOP, the browns ideal scenario would be to get Tyrod Taylor from Buffalo, if he becomes available. Just based on what Hue and Sashi have said, it just sounds as if they would prefer a veteran and then add another rookie later to develop along with Kessler. Also, they do not have to give up any assets to get him and he has proven to be more than serviceable. This solves the qb issue plus the browns can work their board and get best player available when they draft with their first 3 picks. Then they can take a qb with the number 52 pick. caveat However, if one of Watson or Trubisky starts sliding down the board into the 20's, they need to go up and get him.
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I get the article and appreciate it but not seeing either Mariota, Winston, Carr, etc in Mitch Trubisky. If you take a player #12 or higher he better be a starter week one and a contributor. QBs are the hardest to evaluate and the most risky to draft. I think I'm still in the camp of draft D twice and then BPA, start a veteran FA QB and hope for the best. I look at the QBs in this draft as eerily similar to last season.
I get the article and appreciate it but not seeing either Mariota, Winston, Carr, etc in Mitch Trubisky. If you take a player #12 or higher he better be a starter week one and a contributor. QBs are the hardest to evaluate and the most risky to draft. I think I'm still in the camp of draft D twice and then BPA, start a veteran FA QB and hope for the best. I look at the QBs in this draft as eerily similar to last season.
Well, me and Gipper see a guy you can compare to all of the above. Risky? Damn right. If he busts? Well the Raiders busted big time on Jamarcus Russell- they seem to have done OK last year.
Goff didn't start week one, and the only reason Wentz did was due to injury. Yeah- Garrett will start week one. Do you want short term wins or long term success? The Browns winning 6 games this year puts them out of the running for the top qb in 2018. Bargain bin shopping AGAIN in 2017? That means Kizer, Mahomes, Kaaya, and Webb. I for one am damn tired of going that route, it hasn't worked. LOL especially @ #22.
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I get the article and appreciate it but not seeing either Mariota, Winston, Carr, etc in Mitch Trubisky. If you take a player #12 or higher he better be a starter week one and a contributor. QBs are the hardest to evaluate and the most risky to draft. I think I'm still in the camp of draft D twice and then BPA, start a veteran FA QB and hope for the best. I look at the QBs in this draft as eerily similar to last season.
Well, me and Gipper see a guy you can compare to all of the above. Risky? Damn right. If he busts? Well the Raiders busted big time on Jamarcus Russell- they seem to have done OK last year.
Goff didn't start week one, and the only reason Wentz did was due to injury. Yeah- Garrett will start week one. Do you want short term wins or long term success? The Browns winning 6 games this year puts them out of the running for the top qb in 2018. Bargain bin shopping AGAIN in 2017? That means Kizer, Mahomes, Kaaya, and Webb. I for one am damn tired of going that route, it hasn't worked. LOL especially @ #22.
Well, me and Gipper see a guy you can compare to all of the above. Risky? Damn right. If he busts? Well the Raiders busted big time on Jamarcus Russell- they seem to have done OK last year.
Goff didn't start week one, and the only reason Wentz did was due to injury. Yeah- Garrett will start week one. Do you want short term wins or long term success? The Browns winning 6 games this year puts them out of the running for the top qb in 2018. Bargain bin shopping AGAIN in 2017? That means Kizer, Mahomes, Kaaya, and Webb. I for one am damn tired of going that route, it hasn't worked. LOL especially @ #22.
And unfortunately I think this years QB's are overated ABOVE #22. Only great need from multiple teams pulls them up higher. We take any at #1 then it's adios to this set of coaches too after another horrible year. Quite a conundrum.
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More specifically, there's less spread offense/bad habits to de-program with Trubisky.
So the only better choice would be a QB with no starts?
Polian discussed one of those bad practices yesterday... going thru a progression to find an open receiver.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.And if that's not difficult enough, the complexity of those defenses can be far more confusing for a rookie QB (from a college spread offense) trying to learn a far more complicated offense. Now factor in how QB friendly the offense in Cleveland is today and the X's and O's can turn into Ex's and Uh-O's in a hurry.
I wish we'd try to make this an easier place to play QB for once. IMO, this draft and FA spending money gives us the opportunity to do that.
TN didn't make it an easy place for Mariota to play QB as a rookie in 2015 so they went 2-14 and earned the right to draft 1st overall in 2015. New GM Jon Robinson, who learned the art of trading back for more picks while he was in NE, and did just that for TN in 2016. He also landed FA WR Rishard Matthews that many locals thought was a nobody and he contributed 945 yard and 65 receptions despite only starting 9 games. He also added veteran RB Demarco Murray following a disappointing stay in Philly. Needless to say, Robinson made TN a much easier place for Mariota to play QB in 2016.
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I get the article and appreciate it but not seeing either Mariota, Winston, Carr, etc in Mitch Trubisky. If you take a player #12 or higher he better be a starter week one and a contributor. QBs are the hardest to evaluate and the most risky to draft. I think I'm still in the camp of draft D twice and then BPA, start a veteran FA QB and hope for the best. I look at the QBs in this draft as eerily similar to last season.
Well, me and Gipper see a guy you can compare to all of the above. Risky? Damn right. If he busts? Well the Raiders busted big time on Jamarcus Russell- they seem to have done OK last year.
Goff didn't start week one, and the only reason Wentz did was due to injury. Yeah- Garrett will start week one. Do you want short term wins or long term success? The Browns winning 6 games this year puts them out of the running for the top qb in 2018. Bargain bin shopping AGAIN in 2017? That means Kizer, Mahomes, Kaaya, and Webb. I for one am damn tired of going that route, it hasn't worked. LOL especially @ #22.
Well, me and Gipper see a guy you can compare to all of the above.
I thought you two were in Trub's corner...
The Browns winning 6 games this year puts them out of the running for the top qb in 2018.
You have not only predicted our record, but also our limiting factor. Color me amazed...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well, me and Gipper see a guy you can compare to all of the above.
I thought you two were in Trub's corner...
The Browns winning 6 games this year puts them out of the running for the top qb in 2018.
You have not only predicted our record, but also our limiting factor. Color me amazed...
I thought you two were in Trub's corner...
You have not only predicted our record, but also our limiting factor. Color me amazed...
1) Still am.
2) At this point 6 wins is a realistic goal. Plus the #6 slot in the draft is about the lowest you can reach up to #1 from. IF we don't take a QB high this year. Unless you think Davis Webb is the answer. Or we can hope the next Aaron Rodgers falls into our lap @ #22.
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Seems like alot of people are missing the fact that while Trubisky only had 13 starts, he did play in 31 games at UNC. In time he will become one of the top NFL QB's. We did not tank the season to draft a D lineman. Garrett would be a nice addition but not necessary to have a successful DL with the addition of Williams at DC and the return of Bryant on the Line.
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Seems like alot of people are missing the fact that while Trubisky only had 13 starts, he did play in 31 games at UNC. In time he will become one of the top NFL QB's. We did not tank the season to draft a D lineman. Garrett would be a nice addition but not necessary to have a successful DL with the addition of Williams at DC and the return of Bryant on the Line.
Seems like alot of people are missing the fact that while Trubisky only had 13 starts, he did play in 31 games at UNC. In time he will become one of the top NFL QB's. We did not tank the season to draft a D lineman. Garrett would be a nice addition but not necessary to have a successful DL with the addition of Williams at DC and the return of Bryant on the Line.
Even analysts who think drafting Mitchell early aren't willing to go this far. I was seeing this with Luck but not Trubisky. Trubisky seems riskier than Winston, Mariota, Goff & Wentz.
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Seems like alot of people are missing the fact that while Trubisky only had 13 starts, he did play in 31 games at UNC. In time he will become one of the top NFL QB's. We did not tank the season to draft a D lineman. Garrett would be a nice addition but not necessary to have a successful DL with the addition of Williams at DC and the return of Bryant on the Line.
Seems like alot of people are missing the fact that while Trubisky only had 13 starts, he did play in 31 games at UNC.
Yeah... that second game he posted as a Frosh vs. SD State in 2014 when he went 1-2 for 8 yds, 0 TDs & 1 INT is meaningful as hell...
Might be 2nd only to his Soph appearance vs. VaTech... 0-0 for 0, 0 & 0, but one rush for 2 yds.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Seems like alot of people are missing the fact that while Trubisky only had 13 starts, he did play in 31 games at UNC.
Yeah... that second game he posted as a Frosh vs. SD State in 2014 when he went 1-2 for 8 yds, 0 TDs & 1 INT is meaningful as hell...
Might be 2nd only to his Soph appearance vs. VaTech... 0-0 for 0, 0 & 0, but one rush for 2 yds.
Yeah... that second game he posted as a Frosh vs. SD State in 2014 when he went 1-2 for 8 yds, 0 TDs & 1 INT is meaningful as hell...
Might be 2nd only to his Soph appearance vs. VaTech... 0-0 for 0, 0 & 0, but one rush for 2 yds.
or the time he came off the bench in the second half and threw 17/20 for 312 and 4 tds against Delaware but that doesn't count because you know that doesn't count. Don't discount the fact that he was 68% for his NCAA career. And lets not forget that I am a homer since I've been watching this kid play since he was 6yrs old. So for me there is only one pick to be made. Ideally I would hope that he could drop to 12 and we get him there. But I don't believe he last that long. My biggest fear is the stoolers move up and take him because we passed on him at 1. Stoolers love ohio born and bred QB's.
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Then say that instead of "31 games"...
I mean when you have a Delaware pelt to flaunt... flaunt it...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Then say that instead of "31 games"...
I mean when you have a Delaware pelt to flaunt... flaunt it...
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Want to guess who got drafted #2 last year and played powerhouses like South Dakota State and Youngstown State?
Did you just play the 25th-ranked-QB of 2016 card?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Did you just play the 25th-ranked-QB of 2016 card?
Sure, instead lets just pull the third rated passer out of our ass in the 4th round, like the Cowboys did.
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Not that I put too much stock in throwing against no pass rush and no DBs; but I thought Trubisky and Watson looked good on Saturday. I didn't see this weak arm on Watson I've read about by people that want him to fail.
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Sure, instead lets just pull the third rated passer out of our ass in the 4th round, like the Cowboys did.
They read Tour and me last year. And the boys took him despite the DUI scaring everyone else off until the 4th. Would have gone higher without the Johnny Football fiasco hanging over him.
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Sure, instead lets just pull the third rated passer out of our ass in the 4th round, like the Cowboys did.
Okay, we'll forget that major inconvenience for you and ask what about Seattle taking Russell Wilson after round 1 while we reached on Brandon Weeden in round 1? What about Oakland taking Derek Carr in round 2 instead of us reaching on Manziel in round 1? Pretend history isn't a valuable educational tool? You're trying to Stephen King yourself a football savior here only because he's from Mentor, OH. You're putting on all your Lancelot armor and putting up a China Wall in between fiction and non-fiction here.
What about NOT drafting the Brady Quinn noone else seemed interested in back in 2007 so we have a pick before pick #111 of the 4th round in 2008? Before you correct me with we still go Joe Thomas at #3 overall - your buddy Shep wanted Quinn at #3 overall with his argument if you still don't have a QB you better be drafting one in round one. We did and he wasn't as good as Derek Anderson so he later had to go to Denver and learn he wasn't even as good as Tim Tebow. That's pretty impressive considering how Pro Ready we kept reading he was by all the scouts unwilling to attach their names to the statement. At least we got 1 good year out of Peyton Hillis in the swap for Quinn. Did we trade up for Mike Phipps at #3 overall too? Yeah, I'm not seeing the abracadabra behind the ole we have to draft a QB in round 1 if we don't have a franchise QB yet. The only MVP we've had throwing the football here in the last 50 years is a 13th round pick named Brian Sipe. If it wasn't for the supplemental draft, how far do we have to go back to see when the last time we drafted a keeper at QB in round 1? Practice makes perfect and we've been practicing to not trust drafting a QB in round 1 for decades heading into the weak QB class of 2017.
In 2007, we won 10 games because we added vets like Eric Steinbach (to play next to Joe Thomas his rookie year), Hank Fraley, Joe Jurvicius and the Baltimore pronounced dead legs of Jamal Lewis that gave us 1300 yards and 9 TDs on the ground. We only had RAC as our HC so what made it ll possible? All the stars and planets finally aligned to make Cleveland an easier place to play QB for just that 1 season. Braylon Edwards and Derek Anderson had the best years of their careers. We could run INSIDE of tackle. The addition of Joe Thomas at LT meant Kevin Shafer could play in a much more comfortable niche at RT where he was a very efficient run blocker neighboring Ryan Tucker in his most comfortable niche at RG.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
More specifically, there's less spread offense/bad habits to de-program with Trubisky.
So the only better choice would be a QB with no starts?
Polian discussed one of those bad practices yesterday... going thru a progression to find an open receiver.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.
So the only better choice would be a QB with no starts?
Polian discussed one of those bad practices yesterday... going thru a progression to find an open receiver.
Bill was adamant that the transition to the NFL requires a change to reading defenses and that only one spread QB has made that transition... Mariotta.
Polian hates the spread offense and said that no QB who played the spread is ever ready to play in the NFL...and that none should ever be drafted high.
But, here is the problem: Like 99% of colleges these days run the spread offense....so if you are going to get a non spread offense...or non air raid offense or some such.....you may have to like scour the D-AA of DII ranks to find someone who is running a pro style offense.
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