Watson Undraftable

LogicIsForSquares

http://www.wbir.com/mb/news/local/ut-freshman-does-the-math-behind-the-vols-perfect-play-vs-georgia/328445390

Got interested in Dobbs' velocity and found this story. If you do the math, Dobbs is at least capable of 54mph haha. Might have only been on one play.

Tour2ma

Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...

Here's Mayock's report:

Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...

CaineDeSoulis

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/842424217136164865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Matt Millers take

"Hearing a lot of inconsistent comments from scouts at the Clemson pro day on Watson. Think it depends on if you liked him prior"

Tour2ma

Seems about right...

Daniel Jeremiah‏Verified account @MoveTheSticks

Scout at Clemson on Watson's day: Average day. Inconsistent timing/placement...solid on deep ball. It was a B-/C+ type workout.

https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/842402207060262912

tiamat63

Once heard that Manziel's proday was one of the best ever seen.

D Bone

@tiamat63 said:
Once heard that Manziel's proday was one of the best ever seen.

Yep........ and he even wore a helmet too!

One Post

@d-bone said:

Yep........ and he even wore a helmet too!

And pads!

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...

Here's Mayock's report:

Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...

Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:

Watson received mixed reviews for his pro day throwing session.

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said on the air Watson had a "very impressive workout."

NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah tweeted that a scout at Clemson's pro day told him Watson's timing and placement were inconsistent but his deep throws were solid.

"It was a B-/C+ type workout," the scout told Jeremiah.

Watson completed 54-of-62 passes, according to the Associated Press. He also took snaps under center, something he'll need to adjust to in the NFL after operating out of the shotgun in Clemson's spread offense.

Mudfly

@the-gipper said:

Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:

I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....so Id expect many ho hum reports to be forth coming.....

Flugel

@mudfly said:
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....

Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?

Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."

We almost took Akili Smith so we could speak fluent trailer park Shakespeare in Cleveland. Instead, we drafted Tim Couch without a willingness to make Cleveland an easier place to play QB. Poor Alex Smith had to feel like a serial coach killer for about 4-5 years before former NFL QB Jim Harbaugh showed up with an understanding of what was needed to increase Alex's passer ratings up into the 90s. Like last year or in 2014, sometimes it's just better to see what's available at QB after round 1. The priority should be to make this an easier place to play QB.

For example, when we choose to kick off first - it might be a good idea to have enough talent on defense to prevent us from being down 7-0 just 2 minutes later. Go get em Kess! "Kess, am I holding up 1 or 2 fingers?" 4. "Close, you're doing great kid. Where are you?" I think I just took on ISIS without any binoculars, bullets or protection. "Thatta boy - you're still breathing kid. You remind us of Colt McCoy. You'll be ready to get right back out there in a play or 2."

Mudfly

@flugel said:

Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?

Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."

Damn straight....beware last minute risers.............add to that : beware drafting shitty QB's because you're desperate.....

Just saying......we all need a great QB to win......but just picking one because you're hard up does not resolve the need.....

LBC mike

It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.

Mudfly

@lbc-mike said:
It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.

exactly.....

and then you marry the 6 and go out into the world and realize what a dog she really is......especially when you see her matched up against everyone else with their 10....

CaineDeSoulis

thats kinda the point of this thread lol not drafting a 6

Mudfly

@cainedesoulis said:
thats kinda the point of this thread lol not drafting a 6

I hope the FO reads it then....

Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....

The Gipper

@lbc-mike said:
It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.

Some of you hear would pass up Gina Lollabrigida because your brains want to tell you that she looked like Phyllis Diller.

(now...you gotta be old school for this reference)

To translate...what you think may be a 6 could turn out to be a 10. And what you think is a 10 could turn out to be a 4.

CaineDeSoulis

@mudfly said:

I hope the FO reads it then....

Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....

wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time... $:\$

I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.

Canton Mike

@cainedesoulis said:

wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time... $:\$

I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.

Yep. I'm excited to see what happens with Williams as DC.

Mike

Mudfly

@cainedesoulis said:

wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time... $:\$

I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.

Im happy to give them time....and hope some will emerge.....even with poor coaching, talent shows with great players.....collins and Kirksey shined....so you can see players when theyre there...

So...here's a lil rant on that.....consider it a happy rant tho....

I wish we could stop blaming terrible play on the coaching scheme year after year.....talent wins...and we are short on talent

I always base my comments on what I "see".....so if a guy plays GREAT...I say "he plays great".....and if a guy does nothing or plays poorly, I say "he did nothing and played poorly".....

And, unfortunately, many folks here take that observation and turn it in to "mud says this guy sucks and will never be a good player"....when Ive really only said Ive seen nothing yet.....

And I do the same with the draft.....every year there are a NUMBER of players selected who stand out and are stars from day one......and there nare many many players who start and play WELL from day one.....

So, when our picks are devoid of those performances....and we dont get the star(ever).....and barely get a starter or 2?......then I consider what "i see" to be not impressive.......ESPECIALLY when our team had a RECORD 14 PICKS.....

So....yeah Ill wait....give it time.....and I have never "condemned" this draft,....Ive just said there is nothing there(yet) thats says "good to great" draft(and there usually is with most "great" drafts)......

no stars, no stand outs, dominant, flashy or all pro's....and with #2 and 13 others, I expected some of that<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

so, while "waiting" for those players to arrive(story of our lives guys...right?)...Ima grade based upon performance , what I see....the tangible.....

And....so far.....just waiting....(not condemning)

CaineDeSoulis

I saw plenty of flash this year Mud. in fact MOST of our draft picks had moments where you can see why we drafted them. Nassib looked like a strong pick until he broke his hand and was basically never the same. except he still could bat passes down oddly lol. Ogbah came on very strong towards the end of the year, Kessler was by FAR the best QB on this team and remains the best QB on this team. Louis has alot of potential in his physical abilities but underwhelmed. Higgins looked very sure handed with what limited we saw of him. Payton plays MUCH bigger than he is i actually thought he was closer to 6'4" than him only being 6'1". Devalve started putting it together late in the year. Coleman looked impressive in game 2 then broke his hand and wasnt the same after that.

TWO of our top 3 picks suffered broken hands last season an injury that neither of them have had to deal with before.

Schobert i was disappointed with the fire is there but he needs to get stronger/faster. Jamar Taylor performed Well last year as well. Scooby got released basically, Trey Caldwell Got Released, Kindred got put on IR but was starting to look good. Drango/Coleman have a bigger learning curve than most coming from those spread offenses so we did not get to see much.