Watson Undraftable
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It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees.
It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees.
I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.
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It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees.
I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.
I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.
Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike.
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I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.
Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike.
Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike.
Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.
From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?
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Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike.
Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.
From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?
Unfortunately yes
Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.
From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?
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Unfortunately yes, that is fair to say Gip. Just pulling on your tail this morning. And where the hell is Tour? He's been up to make a pick now for about 5 hours and remains offline. Very strange since he has been staying up regularly with the Browns draft board.
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Unfortunately yes
Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.
From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?
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Unfortunately yes, that is fair to say Gip. Just pulling on your tail this morning. And where the hell is Tour? He's been up to make a pick now for about 5 hours and remains offline. Very strange since he has been staying up regularly with the Browns draft board.
Unfortunately yes
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Unfortunately yes, that is fair to say Gip. Just pulling on your tail this morning. And where the hell is Tour? He's been up to make a pick now for about 5 hours and remains offline. Very strange since he has been staying up regularly with the Browns draft board.
Sometimes some of us have work to do. I don't know if he is retired or not. My job for the most part is done here at my desk with the computer on it...but occasionally I have to do a better part of the day in client meetings, in court or otherwise. So I suspect he has that too.
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Here's what I wonder: Did Watson even know about this velocity metric? Was he throwing as hard as he normally does, or was he just tuning it down to ensure accuracy to receivers he's never thrown to before? I mean, he had to know this was being measured, right? Wouldn't surprise me to see this being measured at his pro day, and wouldn't surprise me if he throws much harder. I don't remember Watson ever having a "gun", but I also don't remember his power being an issue either.
Edit: I just watched some highlights of Watson, and while I understand "highlights" aren't exactly a good representation of a player's ability, the film did at least show multiple throws with plenty of zip. Obviously I don't have a radar gun app for Youtube, but I can tell you the arm definitely passes the "eye test". Conversely, I did notice several throws that Watson kind of "lollypops" up in the air, but these were deep throws that enabled his receiver to get underneath. Whenever I saw a throw over the middle, the ball got there promptly.
Edit: I just watched some highlights of Watson, and while I understand "highlights" aren't exactly a good representation of a player's ability, the film did at least show multiple throws with plenty of zip. Obviously I don't have a radar gun app for Youtube, but I can tell you the arm definitely passes the "eye test". Conversely, I did notice several throws that Watson kind of "lollypops" up in the air, but these were deep throws that enabled his receiver to get underneath. Whenever I saw a throw over the middle, the ball got there promptly.
Deep lollypops take arm strength, too. Strength is not necessarily the same thing as velocity (quick twitch vs. slow twitch), but if I had to pick between them, then I think I go for strength.
I wonder what Watson's effective range is... certainly 50-yds... probably 55... 60?
The other warning sign would be at what distance does his accuracy start to fall apart. Straining for distance (or velocity) hurts accuracy.
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Got interested in Dobbs' velocity and found this story. If you do the math, Dobbs is at least capable of 54mph haha. Might have only been on one play.
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Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/842424217136164865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Matt Millers take
"Hearing a lot of inconsistent comments from scouts at the Clemson pro day on Watson. Think it depends on if you liked him prior"
Matt Miller@nfldraftscoutHearing a lot of inconsistent comments from scouts at the Clemson pro day on Watson. Think it depends on if you liked him prior -
Seems about right...
Daniel JeremiahVerified account @MoveTheSticks
Scout at Clemson on Watson's day: Average day. Inconsistent timing/placement...solid on deep ball. It was a B-/C+ type workout.
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/842402207060262912
Daniel Jeremiah@MoveTheSticksScout at Clemson on Watson's day:
Average day. Inconsistent timing/placement...solid on deep ball. It was a B-/C+ type workout. -
Once heard that Manziel's proday was one of the best ever seen.
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Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
Watson received mixed reviews for his pro day throwing session.
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said on the air Watson had a "very impressive workout."
NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah tweeted that a scout at Clemson's pro day told him Watson's timing and placement were inconsistent but his deep throws were solid.
"It was a B-/C+ type workout," the scout told Jeremiah.
Watson completed 54-of-62 passes, according to the Associated Press. He also took snaps under center, something he'll need to adjust to in the NFL after operating out of the shotgun in Clemson's spread offense.
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Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
Watson received mixed reviews for his pro day throwing session.
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said on the air Watson had a "very impressive workout."
NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah tweeted that a scout at Clemson's pro day told him Watson's timing and placement were inconsistent but his deep throws were solid.
"It was a B-/C+ type workout," the scout told Jeremiah.
Watson completed 54-of-62 passes, according to the Associated Press. He also took snaps under center, something he'll need to adjust to in the NFL after operating out of the shotgun in Clemson's spread offense.
Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....so Id expect many ho hum reports to be forth coming.....
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Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....so Id expect many ho hum reports to be forth coming.....
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....
Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?
Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."
We almost took Akili Smith so we could speak fluent trailer park Shakespeare in Cleveland. Instead, we drafted Tim Couch without a willingness to make Cleveland an easier place to play QB. Poor Alex Smith had to feel like a serial coach killer for about 4-5 years before former NFL QB Jim Harbaugh showed up with an understanding of what was needed to increase Alex's passer ratings up into the 90s. Like last year or in 2014, sometimes it's just better to see what's available at QB after round 1. The priority should be to make this an easier place to play QB.
For example, when we choose to kick off first - it might be a good idea to have enough talent on defense to prevent us from being down 7-0 just 2 minutes later. Go get em Kess! "Kess, am I holding up 1 or 2 fingers?" 4. "Close, you're doing great kid. Where are you?" I think I just took on ISIS without any binoculars, bullets or protection. "Thatta boy - you're still breathing kid. You remind us of Colt McCoy. You'll be ready to get right back out there in a play or 2."
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I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....
Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?
Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."
We almost took Akili Smith so we could speak fluent trailer park Shakespeare in Cleveland. Instead, we drafted Tim Couch without a willingness to make Cleveland an easier place to play QB. Poor Alex Smith had to feel like a serial coach killer for about 4-5 years before former NFL QB Jim Harbaugh showed up with an understanding of what was needed to increase Alex's passer ratings up into the 90s. Like last year or in 2014, sometimes it's just better to see what's available at QB after round 1. The priority should be to make this an easier place to play QB.
For example, when we choose to kick off first - it might be a good idea to have enough talent on defense to prevent us from being down 7-0 just 2 minutes later. Go get em Kess! "Kess, am I holding up 1 or 2 fingers?" 4. "Close, you're doing great kid. Where are you?" I think I just took on ISIS without any binoculars, bullets or protection. "Thatta boy - you're still breathing kid. You remind us of Colt McCoy. You'll be ready to get right back out there in a play or 2."
Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?
Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."
Damn straight....beware last minute risers.............add to that : beware drafting shitty QB's because you're desperate.....
Just saying......we all need a great QB to win......but just picking one because you're hard up does not resolve the need.....
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It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
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It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
exactly.....
and then you marry the 6 and go out into the world and realize what a dog she really is......especially when you see her matched up against everyone else with their 10....
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