Now THIS is how you draft!
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NFL Draft grades: Winners
— Browns
Cleveland didn't get a quarterback, but it got a few more picks and ended up with three needed prospects instead of two.
Getting Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett at the top alone would have made for a stellar first round, but the Browns also got intriguing, athletic chess pieces for both sides of the ball in Michigan safety Jabrill Peppers and Miami tight end David Njoku. Sashi Brown should be very happy.
NFL Draft grades: Winners— Browns
Cleveland didn't get a quarterback, but it got a few more picks and ended up with three needed prospects instead of two.
Getting Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett at the top alone would have made for a stellar first round, but the Browns also got intriguing, athletic chess pieces for both sides of the ball in Michigan safety Gerbil Peppers and Miami tight end David Njoku. Sashi Brown should be very happy.
..... and an '18 1st rounder!
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I'm wholly convinced about Peppers.. Anyone who has doubts should really
all the way through.Why did he have bad stats for a DB? Because he was the consummate team player and.. did the job they asked him to do, which was actually not to be a DB.
I think he's the one that has/had the Weed ding on him . . . ala Josh Gordon (not likely that bad though).
Also, he was not one particular position, so he's a hybrid . . . harder to evaluate.
I think he's the one that has/had the Weed ding on him . . . ala Josh Gordon (not likely that bad though).
Also, he was not one particular position, so he's a hybrid . . . harder to evaluate.
He is only viewed as a hybrid because his D coordinator asked him to set the edge every play to cover for the lack of speed from UM's linebacker/DE's.. He would be a "normal" safety otherwise.
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Gather round children, as I tell you about Jabrill Peppers... Lol.
I'm just getting a kick out of this board and the opinions around Peppers.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I think he's the one that has/had the Weed ding on him . . . ala Josh Gordon (not likely that bad though).
Also, he was not one particular position, so he's a hybrid . . . harder to evaluate.
He is only viewed as a hybrid because his D coordinator asked him to set the edge every play to cover for the lack of speed from UM's linebacker/DE's.. He would be a "normal" safety otherwise.
.He is only viewed as a hybrid because his D coordinator asked him to set the edge every play to cover for the lack of speed from UM's linebacker/DE's.. He would be a "normal" safety otherwise.
.My understanding (from what I'm hearing) is that he played all over the the place, including O.
It has even been suggested that he will be doing KR/PR and possibly RB in addition to D.
Versatility can be great, but Jack of all Trades & Master of None . . . not sure that's what you're looking for from a 1st Rounder.
You want a Starter, and we certainly need some.
Time will tell, but that is one of my concerns on this one.
As a Browns Fan I want them all to be Studs, but realistically that's not going to happen.
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Gather round children, as I tell you about Jabrill Peppers... Lol.
I'm just getting a kick out of this board and the opinions around Peppers.
Gather round children, as I tell you about Gerbil Peppers... Lol.
I'm just getting a kick out of this board and the opinions around Peppers.
So are we.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Gather round children, as I tell you about Gerbil Peppers... Lol.
I'm just getting a kick out of this board and the opinions around Peppers.
So are we.
So are we.
With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Really? Shit, stop over at the political page one of these days.WOW! I don't think i have ever seen a level of just general disgust for very little reason.
WSS
Really? Shit, stop over at the political page one of these days.
WSS
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With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining
Yes a true legend in your own mind.
Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...
Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.
While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?
Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.
But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.
Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...
Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.
While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?
Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.
But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.
This is spot on
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Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...
Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.
While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?
Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.
But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.
This is spot on
This is spot on
Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...
Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This is spot on
Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...
Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...
Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...
Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...
B....but....but... we got Jabrill
Pass rush can help our secondary. Watching as much film on Ogunjobi as I can right now. I'll be back tomorrow with my synopsis.
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Lots to like about Njoku. He's an exceptional athlete with the physique of an action figure, but I am wondering who told you he has exceptional hands? 11% drop rate falls short of exceptional in my book.
Something interesting: all of his drops were on passes 10 yards or less per PFF.
Something interesting: all of his drops were on passes 10 yards or less per PFF.
They've been labeled focus drops, which doesn't necessarily mean he has bad hands, but he still has work to put in to be considered a guy with "exceptional hands"
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Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...
Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...
B....but....but... we got Jabrill
Pass rush can help our secondary. Watching as much film on Ogunjobi as I can right now. I'll be back tomorrow with my synopsis.
B....but....but... we got Jabrill
Pass rush can help our secondary. Watching as much film on Ogunjobi as I can right now. I'll be back tomorrow with my synopsis.
Just to be clear... I wasn't dumping on Peppers... just noting we did not add any additional pieces to our 2ndary tonite... and there were many to be had.
jobi has raw talent... looks both fast and powerful enough to back up everywhere from the 0 to 3 and maybe 5-tech, but not really an additional pass rush presence. Pretty sure we took care of that last nite...
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@boo-fagley said:
But they are playoff caliber QBs who have been there a time or two.
The Browns need Jimmy Garrapolo yesterday. Drafting a QB now is another hope and see approach. Chicago did not screw around even after signing Glennon.
Don't get all butt hurt because we didn't trade for Wonder Boy. Don't single out the Browns either. The Chiefs and Texans traded away first round picks to move up and take qbs- but passed on offering their first rounders to the Patriots for Jimmy. Meaning they liked Mahomes and Watson better. Repeat after me- overrated.... Yeah, the Browns probably Browns it up taking Kizer, I would have traded a couple thirds too- to take Trubisky- But to move up from #12 would have been a sell the ranch move. The Bears not only screwed the Browns, but the Titans on top of it taking Mitch that early. I'd bet some heavy coin Cleveland and Tennessee had a trade worked out for the #5 pick. The Titans wound up having to take a WR @ #5 that they were planning on taking at #12.
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With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining
Yes a true legend in your own mind.
Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.
Yes a true legend in your own mind.
Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.
Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times
Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts
Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up
Just saying. Context
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yes a true legend in your own mind.
Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.
Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times
Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts
Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up
Just saying. Context
Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times
Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts
Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up.
Just saying. Context
Woody, I have to admit my dislike for the Woverines is far less than my disgust for the Golden Domers. I wouldn't hate you guys 1\2 as bad if you could do something about those horribly ugly helmets. Topped only by Maryland's.
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Wow, the nay sayers crack me up.
I like the picks so far!! The browns are putting together a team first and then will plug in a Qb to finish it next year.
Why draft a Qb and have him get destroyed or end up gun shy this upcoming season?
Peppers is going to be the next polomalu and totally rejuvenate the defense.
I have no problems with what they have done and until the season starts not a single one of you can predict what is going to happen. Let it play out and then reserve judgement.
Go Browns!!!!
Oh and Fuck Off Ghoolie!!
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I don't really think Grossi is that bad. Goldhammer is the one who needs the Browns to suck so he can continue his heel routine. He is such a weak radio personality that he needs a gimmick like trolling browns fans and nepotism.
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Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times
Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts
Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up.
Just saying. Context
Woody, I have to admit my dislike for the Woverines is far less than my disgust for the Golden Domers. I wouldn't hate you guys 1\2 as bad if you could do something about those horribly ugly helmets. Topped only by Maryland's.
Woody, I have to admit my dislike for the Woverines is far less than my disgust for the Golden Domers. I wouldn't hate you guys 1\2 as bad if you could do something about those horribly ugly helmets. Topped only by Maryland's.
At least our helmets are money in the bank. Just look closely at the letters in the order they appear left to right.
Get it?
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