AJ McCarron
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There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
There is absolutely no way this organization remains intact after this.
I don't know exactly what happened, but someone was grossly incompetent yesterday.
Someone thought A.J. McCarron was worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and someone messed up making the trade. (And "messed up" might have been the front office sabotaging a horrible deal on purpose.) IMO, the signs, at minimum, are SCREAMING that Hue is gone.
Here's something to ponder: Would the Browns have used their top pick next draft on a QB if they used a 2nd and 3rd rounder from the same draft on McCarron?
The whole thing seems to be a for real clusterphukk. Between the HC, his daughter Baylee, then Stosh getting an earful from Jimmah with the pudpuller no where to be seen and the owners wife is on a big time rag over it all. Not to mention the national media in guffaw mode over it and the local media is in full on lynch mode.
And through it all, I shall remain a very hopeful fan..
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Somewhere Jimmy is sitting on a toilet scratching his head...
Somewhere Jimmy is sitting on a toilet while Dee slaps him in the head.
FIFY...lol
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I don't disagree....But that's how I would see it playing out. You don't give up 2 picks for a guy without playing him the rest of the way. And what if he goes say 4-4 the rest of the way with 60+ completion percentage and say..10 TD's and 5 int's. I don't think you draft another QB high in round 1 if that's the case.
Here's another thing I just realized Mark. The attempted McCarron move officially threw Kizer under the bus. Not like I've been preaching it from Day One that I didn't like Deshone at all. Some of the brain trust on the Browns was just a little bit slower coming to the realization.
It gets you to thinking Hue got outvoted by the "consensus" anal-itics guys a bunch of times, he got tired of Sashi and DePo's crap and went directly to the uber boss telling him- "I can't win with Kizer." What this means to me is either Hue or Sashi are gone, or Sashi at the very least is going to get demoted to contract only work.
Here's another thing I just realized Mark. The attempted McCarron move officially threw Kizer under the bus. Not like I've been preaching it from Day One that I didn't like Deshone at all. Some of the brain trust on the Browns was just a little bit slower coming to the realization.
Yes of course it did. But Huey has been screwing with Kizer's confidence all season with the way he pulls him in and out of the lineup week after week. The entire situations from the owner all the way down to the coach is one huge dumpster fire.
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Don't say you don't want to see it blown up as you make fun of everyone involved. What do you think makes Jimmy want to blow it up? Fan disgruntlement.
I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
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I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
You're gonna ride this all the way aren't you? And when changes are inevitably made....... BECAUSE THE TEAM CAN'T WIN A SINGLE PHUCKING GAME, then all we will hear from you is how it's all our faults that the poor beleaguered Brain Trust unjustly got run out of town by the big, bad, mean ol' fans and had absolutely nothing to do with their on field performance.
Too bad the NFL doesn't hand out participation trophies so our Brain Trust won't get their feelings hurt so much after they see the score board at the end of every game...... and God forbid that they look at the standings, as that would surely send them to their happy place along with their emotional support kitty cat.
Hey Jimmy, since you're reading all these posts.......................... F U C K O F F!
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Sooo, do you have a point?
There's that reading comp again..... my bad, next time I'll type s l o w e r........
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If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Sooo, do you have a point?
There's that reading comp again..... my bad, next time I'll type s l o w e r........
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He could have been playing here and probably doing a better job than what we've had.
WSS
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He could have been playing here and probably doing a better job than what we've had.
WSS
He could have been playing here and probably doing a better job than what we've had.
WSS
I was not against keeping Brock here and seeing what he could do in a real game. As far as I am concerned, you can just add that up to another Quarterback fuyuck up by our FO.
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If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
The fact that bad football guys made bad decisions doesn't make the current FO type or decisions right.
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Oh god we've already forgotten what an ashole osweiler looked like against the practice squad guys. Nothing like looking fondly at late quarter preseason performances from a guy who was skipping balls off the turf on 15 yd wheel routes.
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I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
This is not dissimilar to when you tried to chastise everyone because somehow people saying meanie words on a message board was contributing to Justin Gilbert sucking. It turned out that he just sucked. Our undeserved praise would have done nothing. The fans weren’t creating the news, they were just reporting it. Sashi and Co are 1-23. I have a feeling he will follow Gilbert’s trajectory.
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If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
The fact that bad football guys made bad decisions doesn't make the current FO type or decisions right.
The fact that bad football guys made bad decisions doesn't make the current FO type or decisions right.
I just used this analogy: Just because Gomer ain't getting the job done don't mean that you hire Goober instead.
Fair to say?
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Oh god we've already forgotten what an ashole osweiler looked like against the practice squad guys. Nothing like looking fondly at late quarter preseason performances from a guy who was skipping balls off the turf on 15 yd wheel routes.
Oh god we've already forgotten what an ashole osweiler looked like against the practice squad guys. Nothing like looking fondly at late quarter preseason performances from a guy who was skipping balls off the turf on 15 yd wheel routes.
I still would have liked to see him in a real game. I mean, really....how much more suckitude could he have brought us than what we have had?
They kept Hogan instead of him? They could have stashed Hogan on the PS, give B.O. a tryout....and if is what we thought he was....we could have crowned/cut him. We would have been no worse off.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
You forgot, defending a regime that has accumulated an overall record of 1-23.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
You forgot, defending a regime that has accumulated an overall record of 1-23.
You forgot, defending a regime that has accumulated an overall record of 1-23.
For me, the record doesn't really mean as much. I'm of the mindset that they started the process the correct way (my opinion). Rip it apart down to the studs and rebuild with young and talented players. I can foresee a situation where they could still be 1-23 and I'd be OK with it. But passing on Wentz (anyone that knows me knows I wanted him at 2, hell at 1) was just the start. Coming out and saying he wasn't a top 20 QB was just idiotic. Even if you believed that you just had to say something like "We loved Wentz, but at this stage in the process we found that the trade gave us better value long term, would have loved to somehow accomplish both goals". Sure everyone would know you're full of Sheet but crikes, such a bad look. Continue on with things like drafting 4 WR's that have all been hot garbage, allowing young talent to walk away in FA (Schwartz), and cutting useful QB mentors to save money under a cap that you already have a ton of room. This trade debacle is just the icing on the cake. There's so many layers of fail here that I find myself hating anyone even half defending anyone in the organization from the coaches to the front office to the huckster owner.
I've gone from a season ticket holder to someone who has now not watched more games this season than the last 18 combined.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
For today, yes. Neither option any good, to be sure.
We could argue about other things....like:
A. Should they sign Kaepernick
B. Should they draft another QB high next year, and if so, who?
C. Should the coach be fired?
D. Should the FO be fired?
E. If C. or D. happen who do you get to replace them?
F. Will the team be better with two WRs we have had missing back in the fold: Coleman and Gordon
G. Can the defense stop the pass? They have had massive failures in this regard.
H. Can our #1 overall draft pick avoid falling over his shoelaces and not be injured constantly?
And that is what I can just think of quickly off the top of my head. So, no, we are not reduced to just talking about what you mentioned......we have a whole array of subjects to discuss....all of which have a similar theme: How fuyucked up is this team?
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