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Positives from the 2017 season?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tour2ma said:

    The context is that Wentz is a good piece of a very good team. He may yet confirm that  he is "franchise" level, but the talk of that now, let alone the MVP talk, is premature.

    Bottom line... this is a loaded team that asks its 2nd-year QB to not lose games rather than win them. And he is doing so in style... no doubt about that, but let's not crown him yet...

                                                               

    @tour2ma said:

    Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.

    Anyone want to talk about Carson today?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #61

    @tour2ma said:

    Anyone want to talk about Carson today?

    Johnny was a great late night talk show host.

    Kit was a great explorer

    My great nephew is a great little kid.

  • cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #62

    They are very tough to see with the glaring overall record in the last 2 years but this team does have quite a few positives. Since the team came back in 1999 this is the best building of the Interior on both sides of the ball. Maybe a few years the o line was better but overall both sides trenches are the best I've seen with some young Raw Talent. They just need The Playmakers on both sides of the ball those first two draft picks should be spent on receiver running back guys that can score touchdowns. And on the defensive side of the ball The Playmakers that turned touchdowns in the field goals and turn scoring drives into turnovers.

    And DeSean Kizer has been wrongfully beat up this year. McCoy Weeden Manziel fry Quinn Kiser has showed me more maturity and more growth in a short time and worse situation than any of those guys. I mean let's be real he was given less talent and asked to do more than any quarterback in the NFL as a raw rookie. And he seems like he's got the mentality and maturity for the job not in trouble not drama doesn't have a friend that always gets in trouble not partying not drinking not creating controversy. You gave all those other stiffs years to figure it out and you gave this 21 year old kid with all the clubs in the bag 10 games. ridiculous

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  • cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #63

    a really good view....

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
  • D domcucch1994 wrote on
    #64

    What positives??

    Kizer sucks, run game is inefficient, too many penalties, DBs can't cover,

    THIS TEAM IS A DUMPSTER FIRE!!

    SHOULDA HAD WENTZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

  • thomam3T thomam3 wrote on
    #65

    Kizer 6 TD's in 12 starts. Hogan 4 TD's in one start and off the bench. Kizer sucks. I agree with PoeticG. Hogan is the best on the roster. Kizer is the worst in the league.

    Garbage Time? Why can't Kizer throw TD passes in Garbage time? 😉

  • cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #66

    yea Hogan has 4 Tds in his 15 minutes of play but he also has 5 INTS and 4 of them were Nate Peterman bad. Hes a decent backup but realisticly no better than a #3 qb on a roster.

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  • cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #67

    for Phuck sakes Cody Kessler has better stats then Hogan.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    @ Tour:    What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone.    Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.

    There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.

    Curious question:    Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB? 

    And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?

    Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there. 😉

    The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.

    Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.

    You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread.... 😉

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #68

    @tour2ma said:

    Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.

    @tour2ma said:

    Anyone want to talk about Carson today?

    Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tour2ma said:

    Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.

    @tour2ma said:

    Anyone want to talk about Carson today?

    Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.

    RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on
    #69

    @tour2ma said:

    Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.

    As long as Jeff Fisher doesn't show up I think he will do ok

    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tour2ma said:

    Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.

    @tour2ma said:

    Anyone want to talk about Carson today?

    Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #70

    @tour2ma said:

    Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.

    Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @tour2ma said:

    Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.

    Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #71

    @dutch-oven said:

    Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?

    m a y b e . . .

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dutch-oven said:

    Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?

    m a y b e . . .

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #72

    @tour2ma said:

    m a y b e . . .

    Interesting... I think it's a little bit of both. Good QB in a good system.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dutch-oven said:

    Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?

    m a y b e . . .

    T Tacosman wrote on
    #73

    @tour2ma said:

    m a y b e . . .

    we can all speculate on anything we want.  I can speculate tom brady is an average qb without BB.  All the analytical guys(Barnwell types) as well as the non-analytical types seem to feel Wentz has been very very good this year and a top 5 qb at least.  You're kind of on your own island on this. Well not kind of.  I guess there is nothing wrong with having an extremely different viewpoint, but when it also corresponds to a projection one had before actual data was in, well thats a bit suspicious.....

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #74

    I love my island...

    ... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.

    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0
     

    But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I love my island...

    ... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.

    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0
     

    But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.

    T Tacosman wrote on
    #75

    @tour2ma said:

    I love my island...

    ... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.

    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0
     

    But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.

    foles is a good back up.  I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career.  But he's been real good this year.   one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened. 

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  • Browns149B Browns149 wrote on
    #76

    My biggest positive will only be Hue getting fired. Otherwise NOTHING has been positive 

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  • T Tacosman

    @tour2ma said:

    I love my island...

    ... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.

    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0
     

    But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.

    foles is a good back up.  I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career.  But he's been real good this year.   one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened. 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #77

    @tacosman said:

    foles is a good back up.  I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career.  But he's been real good this year.   one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened. 

    Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.

    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0

    That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.

    The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...

    The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.

    How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tacosman said:

    foles is a good back up.  I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career.  But he's been real good this year.   one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened. 

    Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.

    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0

    That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.

    The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...

    The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.

    How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.

    RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on
    #78

    @tour2ma said:

    Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.

    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0

    That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.

    The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...

    The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.

    How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.

    Na  your wrong  the argument is just how bad Jeff Fisher was with quarterbacks

    "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tacosman said:

    foles is a good back up.  I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career.  But he's been real good this year.   one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened. 

    Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.

    Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
    N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0

    That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.

    The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...

    The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.

    How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.

    NeroN Nero wrote on
    #79

    @tour2ma said:

    The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...

    The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.

    I believe that watching him doing stuff only Russell Wilson and Aaron freaking Rodgers do, has something to do with general perception of Wentz's level. 

  • NeroN Nero

    @tour2ma said:

    The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...

    The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.

    I believe that watching him doing stuff only Russell Wilson and Aaron freaking Rodgers do, has something to do with general perception of Wentz's level. 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #80

    @nero said:

    I believe that watching him doing stuff only Russell Wilson and Aaron freaking Rodgers do, has something to do with general perception of Wentz's level. 

    So stay off my island... 😉

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