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  • D BoneD D Bone

    @dutch-oven said:

    Baby steps.

    Baby ant steps 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #32

    @d-bone said:

    Baby ant steps 

    Dammit...... I keep forgetting it's A Process. 

    My bad. 

  • B BaconHound wrote on
    #33

    Defense has been better, not great.

    The offense has been worse, scary bad.

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #34

    Our wr's, conservatively estimating, have potentially cost us 1-2 games, maybe more. 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #35

    No D can do it alone...

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on
    #36

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    Wisdom

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    W wargograw wrote on
    #37

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse, and they replaced Williams with a HoF DC. Got one of those for us? I’ll waiy. 

    Sashi was a consultant for the Jags promotions or something. You cant actually believe that’s a remotely credible point. 

    The Indians won 4 division championships in the 4 years Depodesta was there. 

    This couldn't have been a more terrible post. 

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    No D can do it alone...

    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #38

    @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    You're absolutely right. They need a coach too.

  • W wargograw

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse, and they replaced Williams with a HoF DC. Got one of those for us? I’ll waiy. 

    Sashi was a consultant for the Jags promotions or something. You cant actually believe that’s a remotely credible point. 

    The Indians won 4 division championships in the 4 years Depodesta was there. 

    This couldn't have been a more terrible post. 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #39

    @wargograw said:

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

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  • D BoneD D Bone

    @wargograw said:

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #40

    @d-bone said:

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

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  • C Clevfan4life

    @d-bone said:

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #41

    @clevfan4life said:

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    No D can do it alone...

    R roach wrote on
    #42

    @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

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  • D BoneD D Bone

    @clevfan4life said:

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #43

    @d-bone said:

    Points allowed is all I look for..... anything else is just Spin Doctoring. 

    Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. 

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  • R roach

    @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #44

    @roach said:

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    Ill bet tom brady and the pats could drop more than 30 on the bengals if they felt it necessary

  • R roach

    @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    Browns149B Browns149 wrote on
    #45

    @roach said:

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    Indeed. When we get a good defense, it will win games. 

    Because our offense can’t win a game

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • D BoneD D Bone

    @clevfan4life said:

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

    Browns149B Browns149 wrote on
    #46

    @d-bone said:

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

    I look for   wins vs losses

    and we are the WORST IN NFL HISTORY in that department 

    For 2 years

    FIRE THEM ALL

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • C Clevfan4life

    @d-bone said:

    Points allowed is all I look for..... anything else is just Spin Doctoring. 

    Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #47

    @clevfan4life said:

    Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. 

    Dude, we can say that about anything:

     "Leads the league in yds allowed"...... They have a great offense that leads the league in TOP

    "Leads the league vs the run"..... They are 9-1, lead the NFL in points scored so the opponent never runs against them

    "Last in the league vs the pass".... See one line above ^ 

    on, and on, and on, and on, and...........

    Points scored vs points allowed is how every single game in the history of the sport has been won and lost - and always will be. 

  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #48

    How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us.  How about our complete inability to score in the redzone?

    No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits...

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us.  How about our complete inability to score in the redzone?

    No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits...

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #49

    @thenew23 said:

    How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us.  How about our complete inability to score in the redzone?

    No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits...

    Collins, not ogbah.....ogbah's been horrible against the run most of the season

  • jcam222J jcam222 wrote on
    #50

    How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. 

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #51

    And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up. So that further wears a defense down not just during the fame but over the season

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