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This reminds me of Holmgren/Mangini Part II

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  • OrionO Orion

    @richiswhere said:

    Na not the same Homlgren chose to keep Mangini. Dorsey has no choice when the owner says the coach is staying.

    Tom Landry

    Splitting hairs.

    Same situation...slightly different reasons.

    RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on
    #13

    @orion said:

    Splitting hairs.

    Same situation...slightly different reasons.

    LOL hardly "splitting hairs"

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  • sydS syd wrote on
    #14

    mangini was a god

  • sydS syd

    mangini was a god

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #15

    @syd said:

    mangini was a god

    You spelled "rat" wrong.

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @syd said:

    mangini was a god

    You spelled "rat" wrong.

    sydS syd wrote on
    #16

    @dutch-oven said:

    You spelled "rat" wrong.

    just saying compared to who we have had as H.C

  • sydS syd

    @dutch-oven said:

    You spelled "rat" wrong.

    just saying compared to who we have had as H.C

    OrionO Orion wrote on
    #17

    @syd said:

    just saying compared to who we have had as H.C

    I have mixed feelings about Mangini....the rat.

    He treated the players like kids.  Making them do a lap if they jumped offsides or caused a false start and stuff, in practice. But did that lower penalties in games?  I think it did.

    He emphasized special teams.  If you were on the lower end of the roster and wanted to be 'up' for the game...then you had to be able to excel in ST.  If you didn't, somebody else was up for the game and you sat in street clothes.  So, he had pretty good ST.

    Moot point anyway.  He's a cherio floating in the milk.

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  • OrionO Orion

    @syd said:

    just saying compared to who we have had as H.C

    I have mixed feelings about Mangini....the rat.

    He treated the players like kids.  Making them do a lap if they jumped offsides or caused a false start and stuff, in practice. But did that lower penalties in games?  I think it did.

    He emphasized special teams.  If you were on the lower end of the roster and wanted to be 'up' for the game...then you had to be able to excel in ST.  If you didn't, somebody else was up for the game and you sat in street clothes.  So, he had pretty good ST.

    Moot point anyway.  He's a cherio floating in the milk.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #18

    @orion said:

    I have mixed feelings about Mangini....the rat.

    He treated the players like kids.  Making them do a lap if they jumped offsides or caused a false start and stuff, in practice. But did that lower penalties in games?  I think it did.

    He emphasized special teams.  If you were on the lower end of the roster and wanted to be 'up' for the game...then you had to be able to excel in ST.  If you didn't, somebody else was up for the game and you sat in street clothes.  So, he had pretty good ST.

    Moot point anyway.  He's a cherio floating in the milk.

    Mangini kept a handful of special team veterans on the team, which also explains why the Browns were good on special teams during that time period. Guys like Ventrone, Costanzo, etc. Gritty Italian guys who would never smell playing time on offense or defense.😆 The counter to that is when you have guys on the roster who are strictly special teams guys, your overall depth suffers.

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  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #19

    Can't argue with the OP.

    Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC? 

    My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS.  We all have to pay for his inferiority complex.  The guy needs therapy...

    #Justsayin'
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  • thenew23T thenew23

    Can't argue with the OP.

    Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC? 

    My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS.  We all have to pay for his inferiority complex.  The guy needs therapy...

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #20

    @thenew23 said:

    Can't argue with the OP.

    Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC? 

    My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS.  We all have to pay for his inferiority complex.  The guy needs therapy...

    Reminds me of another con artist.... 😆

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @thenew23 said:

    Can't argue with the OP.

    Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC? 

    My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS.  We all have to pay for his inferiority complex.  The guy needs therapy...

    Reminds me of another con artist.... 😆

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #21

    @dutch-oven said:

    Reminds me of another con artist.... 😆

    Believe me.😛

  • GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on
    #22

    Dorsey is here for the Cleveleand free ride. He makes.no waves he gets 2 years as a GM then he can move on.

    He is a coffee Fletcher. 3-13. +/- 1 win.

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    When Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert came to town years ago, they inherited Eric Mangini. Instead of getting rid of him and hiring their guy, they kept Mangini and gave him a season to "audition" for them. It went predictably poorly, in fact the Browns avoided drafting front seven defensemen that season because they didn't want to draft for the wrong scheme if Mangini was canned. Pretty much, it was a wasted year in the Holmgren run organizationally. 

    This leads me to what is going on right now. The Browns are 1-31 under Hue and this coaching staff. In theory, a 5-11 season would be a HUGE jump for the Browns next season, in comparison to the first two seasons, but at the end of the day, it's still a 5-11 season. I think that still gets Hue fired.

    So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #23

    @dutch-oven said:

    Thoughts?

    Pretty good stuff...

    Having just seen our 2018 opponents, it's hard for me to see 5-11 let alone .500.

    @nero said:

    Honest question: How many coaches have developed from low record first years to Superbowl contenders or playoff coaches? 

    I ask it because Marvin Lewis and Chuck Pagano, for example, survived some not-so-great years but because they had great years in their career beginnings (Lewis' first two years were 8-8 then to rise to 11-5 and reach playoffs 7 times). 

    I think expansion team inaugural HCs like Landry are a special case. Noll is a good example. I can think of a couple others...

    • Bill Parcels' first NYG team went 3-12-1.
    • Jimmy Johnson dismembered the 'Boys and went 1-15 in year one.
    • Pete Carroll was a one and done 6-10 with the Jets and had to retreat to college coaching before he got his next pro shot... from which he also had to retreat... then came SEA.
    • Marv Levy started badly in KC rose to mediocrity before being fired, retreating and relaunching in BUF where he stumbled badly to start his second HC gig.

    @dutch-oven said:

    Belichick I believe went 5-11 for New England in his first season.

    True, but he had years of HC under his belt by then including an 11-5 season. He was 6-10 in his 1st year in CLE.

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #24

    Mangina was a better coach than Huey. But not by much.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #25

    @boo-fagley said:

    Belichick

    2000 5 - 11

    2001 Super Bowl Champ

    Parcells

    1995 6 - 10

    1996 Lost Super Bowl

    Rams went from 4-12 in 1998 to winning the SB in 1999.   As HC of the Rams  mr.finger Vermiel went 5-11 in 1997, then 4-12 in 1998, then 13-3 and SB Champs in 1999.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #26

    But that wasn't Vermeil's first gig...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    But that wasn't Vermeil's first gig...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #27

    @tour2ma said:

    But that wasn't Vermeil's first gig...

    No.   I didn't know that had to be a criteria for the question.   He took the Eagles to the SB.   One of only a handful of coaches to take 2 teams.

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