Larry Ogunjobi 2nd Among Rookie Interior Defenders
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Were missing a steal in here..Tavon Coley is a beast..So yea, I may be the only guy that goes back & watches 0-16 game tape but that's not what am Watching..Gregg Williams needs a good swiff kick in the arrss..Not only did Peppers kill us from playing in a different area code. But Williams got caught with more sub package guessing he made it easy on QB's except Bortles. most opponents offensive plays were called at LOS with 15-12 seconds on play clock. QB was reading sub packages..It was rare but Shelton,Coley & Ogun need to stay on field. Expect Brantley to have a good camp..His last 2 games got him some playing time
In fairness, there was a TON of inexperience with Coley, Ogunjobi, Brantley, Peppers and others. That said, Coley is a beast in Williams' system while he was undrafted out of another system. Ogunjobi came from a football program that very infrequently equips the NFL with starters - and yet we're talking about him in a positive way too. Before we lost Meder to injury - PFF had 3 of our defensive line ranked in the top 6 against the run. We lost 2 of those guys to injury (Ogbah and Meder) shortly thereafter. As much as a team coming off 1 -15 football couldn't afford to lose the #1 and #4 ranked guys against the run - we're speaking very highly of DTs stepping up in the rotation regardless of their inexperience. In the process, our DT tandems were badass enough to keep Schobert blocker-free enough to lead the NFL in tackles to earm a Pro Bowl alternate honor. I don't see that as a bad reflection of Gregg Williams at all.
Gregg Williams has been a DC for the following productive Safeties in the NFL - Malcolm Jenkins (on a position change from Corner) as a rookie for the Superbowl Champion Saints, Sean Taylor in Washington, Blaine Bishop for the Super-Bowl Runner-up Titans to the Rams in 99, and I think Peppers was the only one he exercised extreme caution with (which could have been since he was used way more like an extra LBer at Missedagain). And I'm willing to bet all those teams had WAY better/more talented corners than we relied on in 2017. Having said that, Williams brought Peppers up closer to the line of scrimmage the last game vrs Pittsburgh and he had an INT, Sack and a big day (easily the closest he looked all season to the guy he was in college). I think we'll see more of that especially if we improve our talent and depth at corner. I'm not a big fan of Jamar Taylor at all - we overpaid a guy Miami completely gave up on. While I LIKE how McCourtey played before his ankle injury - his 31 years of age prevented him from healing just as much as coming back too soon from injury did. We HAVE to improve our corners if we ever want to compete against the Antonio Browns, AJ greens and JuJu Smith-Schusters of the division.
In fairness, there was a TON of inexperience with Coley, Ogunjobi, Brantley, Peppers and others. That said, Coley is a beast in Williams' system while he was undrafted out of another system. Ogunjobi came from a football program that very infrequently equips the NFL with starters - and yet we're talking about him in a positive way too. Before we lost Meder to injury - PFF had 3 of our defensive line ranked in the top 6 against the run. We lost 2 of those guys to injury (Ogbah and Meder) shortly thereafter. As much as a team coming off 1 -15 football couldn't afford to lose the #1 and #4 ranked guys against the run - we're speaking very highly of DTs stepping up in the rotation regardless of their inexperience. In the process, our DT tandems were badass enough to keep Schobert blocker-free enough to lead the NFL in tackles to earm a Pro Bowl alternate honor. I don't see that as a bad reflection of Gregg Williams at all.
Gregg Williams has been a DC for the following productive Safeties in the NFL - Malcolm Jenkins (on a position change from Corner) as a rookie for the Superbowl Champion Saints, Sean Taylor in Washington, Blaine Bishop for the Super-Bowl Runner-up Titans to the Rams in 99, and I think Peppers was the only one he exercised extreme caution with (which could have been since he was used way more like an extra LBer at Missedagain). And I'm willing to bet all those teams had WAY better/more talented corners than we relied on in 2017. Having said that, Williams brought Peppers up closer to the line of scrimmage the last game vrs Pittsburgh and he had an INT, Sack and a big day (easily the closest he looked all season to the guy he was in college). I think we'll see more of that especially if we improve our talent and depth at corner. I'm not a big fan of Jamar Taylor at all - we overpaid a guy Miami completely gave up on. While I LIKE how McCourtey played before his ankle injury - his 31 years of age prevented him from healing just as much as coming back too soon from injury did. We HAVE to improve our corners if we ever want to compete against the Antonio Browns, AJ greens and JuJu Smith-Schusters of the division.
Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3 , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.
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In fairness, there was a TON of inexperience with Coley, Ogunjobi, Brantley, Peppers and others. That said, Coley is a beast in Williams' system while he was undrafted out of another system. Ogunjobi came from a football program that very infrequently equips the NFL with starters - and yet we're talking about him in a positive way too. Before we lost Meder to injury - PFF had 3 of our defensive line ranked in the top 6 against the run. We lost 2 of those guys to injury (Ogbah and Meder) shortly thereafter. As much as a team coming off 1 -15 football couldn't afford to lose the #1 and #4 ranked guys against the run - we're speaking very highly of DTs stepping up in the rotation regardless of their inexperience. In the process, our DT tandems were badass enough to keep Schobert blocker-free enough to lead the NFL in tackles to earm a Pro Bowl alternate honor. I don't see that as a bad reflection of Gregg Williams at all.
Gregg Williams has been a DC for the following productive Safeties in the NFL - Malcolm Jenkins (on a position change from Corner) as a rookie for the Superbowl Champion Saints, Sean Taylor in Washington, Blaine Bishop for the Super-Bowl Runner-up Titans to the Rams in 99, and I think Peppers was the only one he exercised extreme caution with (which could have been since he was used way more like an extra LBer at Missedagain). And I'm willing to bet all those teams had WAY better/more talented corners than we relied on in 2017. Having said that, Williams brought Peppers up closer to the line of scrimmage the last game vrs Pittsburgh and he had an INT, Sack and a big day (easily the closest he looked all season to the guy he was in college). I think we'll see more of that especially if we improve our talent and depth at corner. I'm not a big fan of Jamar Taylor at all - we overpaid a guy Miami completely gave up on. While I LIKE how McCourtey played before his ankle injury - his 31 years of age prevented him from healing just as much as coming back too soon from injury did. We HAVE to improve our corners if we ever want to compete against the Antonio Browns, AJ greens and JuJu Smith-Schusters of the division.
Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3 , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.
Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3 , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.
The Shmuck is a 3-2-5?
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Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3 , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.
The Shmuck is a 3-2-5?
The Shmuck is a 3-2-5?
3 DLinemen, 2 Linebackers, 5 Defensive backs, and Peppers in another area code...
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3 DLinemen, 2 Linebackers, 5 Defensive backs, and Peppers in another area code...
Ahhh... so deep center field we don't even count him. I get it.
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Hopefully Howard Wilson comes back and plays well. I think they'll get Fitzpatrick at #4, and that will help the secondary big time.
Collins too.
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Am I the only one that notices that Meder.. Despite the defense and the coverage seems to adapt well when called upon?.. For a guy who is not particularly special in any one particular area.. The kid works his tail off and makes plays in almost belichickian fashion if that makes any sense. It doesnt matter if its 3-4 ,4-3 , 3-2-5,, whatever the scheme.. He excels within his window of talent.
The Shmuck is a 3-2-5?
The Shmuck is a 3-2-5?
Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.
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NFL coaching career
From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]
Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.
Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"
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The Shmuck is a 3-2-5?
Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.
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NFL coaching career
From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]
Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.
Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"
Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.
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NFL coaching career
From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]
Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.
Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"
So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?
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Fritz Shurmur authored that configuration pretty much.. Used it back when He was DC at LA Rams in the 80's . Then famed USC coach John Robinson was the head coach. It's another spin off of Bill Arnspargers (Bend , but don't Break) Defense.
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NFL coaching career
From 1975 to 1998, Shurmur was a defensive coach in the National Football League. He coached for the Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks. For nineteen of those years he was a defensive coordinator.[1]
Shurmur became defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers in 1994. In 1997, the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI over the New England Patriots. Shurmur left Green Bay in 1999 to be defensive coordinator with the Seahawks when Mike Holmgren accepted the dual roles of head coach and general manager with Seattle. Shurmur died of liver cancer before he could coach his first game with Seattle.
Throughout his coaching career, Shurmur was widely known as an innovative mind on defense. Shurmur's coaching style was revered by peers in his profession for defensive genius. For example, in 1992 with the Cardinals, Shurmur had to devise a plan when two linebackers were injured. He developed a "Big Nickel" defense, that used five defensive backs close enough to the line of scrimmage to rush the passer or drop back into coverage.[1]"
So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?
So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?
I think that is right. Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB. Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers? Since that is much of what he did in college?
How has that worked out so far?
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So wouldn't that be a 4-2-5 defense?
I think that is right. Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB. Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers? Since that is much of what he did in college?
How has that worked out so far?
I think that is right. Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB. Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers? Since that is much of what he did in college?
How has that worked out so far?
Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I think that is right. Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB. Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers? Since that is much of what he did in college?
How has that worked out so far?
Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...
Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...
Well....I suspect that if he was used better, he could perform better....and not be a waste. That hybrid thing was his calling card....and if in fact it is going to be more in vogue in the NFL...I should hope and think that Peppers could fill that role with aplomb.......and not be a bomb.
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I think that is right. Of course, that defense is best when you have someone that could play like a hybrid DB/LB. Wasn't that what we thought they were going to do with Peppers? Since that is much of what he did in college?
How has that worked out so far?
Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...
Again.. I saw Peppers as a wasted pick.. I saw him as nothing more than a career ST's player... You don't draft special teamers with high picks.. But Sushi had to try and outsmart everyone I guess...
That was actually a Williams (coaches) pick.
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I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.
That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him.
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Peppers could be a pro bowler with the patriots. Trade him for butler.
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I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.
That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him.
I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.
That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him.
He is going to be in the box this year, where he played at Michigan. I don't know what that means for Derek Kindred Spirits ... Special teams? But we will be drafting a free safety and Peppers will move in to the strong slot, I think that is a given.
Zombo
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I want to see Peppers in the position he's suited for - strong safety - before I write him off as a bust.
That being said, I do recall referring to him as a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy before we drafted him.
He is going to be in the box this year, where he played at Michigan. I don't know what that means for Derek Kindred Spirits ... Special teams? But we will be drafting a free safety and Peppers will move in to the strong slot, I think that is a given.
Zombo
Zombo said:
He is going to be in the box this year, where he played at Michigan. I don't know what that means for Derek Kindred Spirits ... Special teams? But we will be drafting a free safety and Peppers will move in to the strong slot, I think that is a given.
Zombo
Defensively I would hope free safety and corner are top priorities this offseason
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