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  • @nickers said:

    You're forgetting Randall , too!

    Randall is a safety.

    Everyone wants me to forget someone...

    Zombo

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    Zombo said:

    Randall is a safety.

    Everyone wants me to forget someone...

    Zombo

    Safeties are DB's too!

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    Dorsey must have a long list  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/18/browns-claim-marcell-frazier-off-waivers/  Seattle... check for missing limbs 😛 EDIT-It's a small world after all. Seattle on Thursday signed Keenan Reynolds & Dadi Nicolas. Freeing up M.Frazier. Dadi Nicolas will be in camp battle for OLB position against Barkevious Mingo in Hawkland..

  • Dorsey must have a long list  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/18/browns-claim-marcell-frazier-off-waivers/  Seattle... check for missing limbs 😛 EDIT-It's a small world after all. Seattle on Thursday signed Keenan Reynolds & Dadi Nicolas. Freeing up M.Frazier. Dadi Nicolas will be in camp battle for OLB position against Barkevious Mingo in Hawkland..

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    @gumby73 said:

    Dorsey must have a long list  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/18/browns-claim-marcell-frazier-off-waivers/  

    ...... and to think some of us were all bent out of shape when they didn't draft Chubb. 😎

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    And one advantage of being worst is that every player waived by any team this year for the second year in a row, the Browns have first shot at over every other team. We may still find some really good players from time to time that no one is willing to trade for. That works really well when all teams are on their final 53 week. The very best of the waivers usually occurs then. The advantage of claiming someone like Frazier now is that we get to see him perform from now until we hit that 53 cutoff time if we want to.

    https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/01/browns-hold-first-pick-on-waiver-claims/

  • @darren15 said:

    The 6th round pick we are getting is for 2020 not next year

    We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some  back-up FS reps? 

    7 7moses7 wrote on last edited by
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    @gumby73 said:

    We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some  back-up FS reps? 

    BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released 

  • @gumby73 said:

    We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some  back-up FS reps? 

    BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    @7moses7 said:

    BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released 

    Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo😉..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts  Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.) 

  • @7moses7 said:

    BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released 

    Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo😉..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts  Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.) 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @gumby73 said:

    Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo😉..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts  Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.) 

    Gotta agree with you Gums!  IMO Boddy-Calhoun has made the most of his opportunities here.  When he first started to get reps - I can't even tell you how many times I found myself asking in a positive way "Wow, who is this guy?"  He impressed me way more than Jamar Taylor ever did at a fraction of the cap hit you alluded to.  If Gregg Williams has been seeing the same player we have; and our FO really loves a good walk-on story - the warm fuzzies for BBC should be going viral in Berea...

  • @gumby73 said:

    We traded Mia.for J.Taylor..flipped a 7th #250 giving Mia.#223 QB Brandon Doughty to Mia...Heard Dorsey wanted to improve the speed of the group but Taylor ran 4.39 combine but maybe slowing. Looking more like corners with press coverage ability leans more of the truth of the matter with Williams & Dorsey..now i wonder if BBC/T.Mitchell cover slot behind EJ Gaines or maybe some  back-up FS reps? 

    BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @7moses7 said:

    BBC not drafted or signed as a UDFA by Dorsey so he could be the next one traded or released 

    While true Moses, everybody likes a great bargain like BBC provides here. When we're coming off 1-31 football, we shouldn't have to get creative with finding/prioritizing who needs to go. 

  • One PostO One Post wrote on last edited by
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    Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz

  • Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @one-post said:

    Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz

    Taylor was one of the big reasons we were one and 31 last year. And with the new talent that had been brought in, yes he was the weakest link

  • @gumby73 said:

    Anna & Lynnic's would both get fired at The home of Depo😉..#13 overall CB at a 156th pay rate should at least get BBC a camp look at Fort Dorsey. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfls-10-most-valuable-players-on-smaller-contracts  Haslam should be BBC free uber driver? (now again, am a buckeye fan. but when a Golden Gopher continued to jump off the screen,BBC got my attention.early.) 

    Gotta agree with you Gums!  IMO Boddy-Calhoun has made the most of his opportunities here.  When he first started to get reps - I can't even tell you how many times I found myself asking in a positive way "Wow, who is this guy?"  He impressed me way more than Jamar Taylor ever did at a fraction of the cap hit you alluded to.  If Gregg Williams has been seeing the same player we have; and our FO really loves a good walk-on story - the warm fuzzies for BBC should be going viral in Berea...

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    Gotta agree with you Gums!  IMO Boddy-Calhoun has made the most of his opportunities here.  When he first started to get reps - I can't even tell you how many times I found myself asking in a positive way "Wow, who is this guy?"  He impressed me way more than Jamar Taylor ever did at a fraction of the cap hit you alluded to.  If Gregg Williams has been seeing the same player we have; and our FO really loves a good walk-on story - the warm fuzzies for BBC should be going viral in Berea...

    When he first started getting playing time, I (not so) affectionately called him (dead) Boddy Calhoon. He was flat- out terrible, but has improved immensely with experience. 

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #29

    16M must be our thing😉 Brock,Tyrod, now our Dead Cap Money in 2018..Jamar took a hit too..  https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/5/21/17375604/report-jamar-taylors-contract-was-re-worked-before-trade-to-arizona  (check out cap break down in comments)

  • @one-post said:

    Ok how is anyone a weak link that goes 1-31 in the last 2years? Oh I see so if Taylor wasn't starting we would have been so great. Plz

    Taylor was one of the big reasons we were one and 31 last year. And with the new talent that had been brought in, yes he was the weakest link

    One PostO One Post wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Taylor was one of the big reasons we were one and 31 last year. And with the new talent that had been brought in, yes he was the weakest link

    I agree with Taylor being the odd man out right now but it seems he was good enough to start? My point...having Taylor making an exit shouldn't be entirely his fault. Oh and btw way I really like motorboating even in the winter.

  • Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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    Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.

    We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.

    Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.

    We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.

    We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.

    Zombo

  • Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.

    We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.

    Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.

    We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.

    We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.

    Zombo

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    Zombo said:

    Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.

    We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.

    Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.

    We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.

    We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.

    Zombo

    Well...I disagree somewhat.  Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB.  He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire.  He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.

  • Zombo said:

    Taylor was a stopgap. He had enough talent to start. We flipped 7th rounders to get him and signed him to a stopgap contract.

    We got him when Sashi Brown was GM and Ray Horton was DC.

    Two years later, Dorsey has been able to get the kind of corners Williams wants ... press corners.

    We brought in 3 free agent corners and drafted two ... one with the #4 pick overall, so Williams has his press corners and Taylor can move to a situation that fits him better.

    We're growing, we're getting better. We're building an actual "team" where the parts fit together. But Taylor wasn't a shitty CB, he's a good NFL corner who no longer fits what we are doing in Cleveland. Thank you for your service. He gave 100% two years in a row on a shitty team, I wish him well with the Cards.

    Zombo

    Well...I disagree somewhat.  Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB.  He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire.  He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.

    Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
    #33

    @the-gipper said:

    Well...I disagree somewhat.  Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB.  He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire.  He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.

    Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.

    We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.

    Zombo

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well...I disagree somewhat.  Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB.  He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire.  He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.

    Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.

    We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.

    Zombo

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    Zombo said:

    Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.

    We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.

    Zombo

    To quote Bill Belichick  "I can only go by what I see"...and what I saw of Taylor was that he was often a crispy critter.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well...I disagree somewhat.  Some of the shittiest performances on this shitty team were by this particular shitty CB.  He often got burned like a pigeon landing on a live wire.  He might have been OK to keep as the 4th/5th CB on the team....but as a primary cover corner....he could barely cover.

    Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.

    We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.

    Zombo

    ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on last edited by
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    Zombo said:

    Ok, well your personal analysis aside, most NFL evaluators have him rated as an average starting corner and an NFL team just traded for him and they'll plan to stick him right in the starting lineup.

    We're fortunate to have been able to upgrade the position this offseason and find guys that work for our defense, glad Taylor found a spot where he'll still be contributing on Sundays.

    Zombo

    Fortunate to upgrade the position is almost an understatement. Our two worst position groups (DB and WR) have been upgraded tremendously, not to mention QB. Our D backfield has been absolute Sheet since Haden/Ward/Gipson and our WR...well...

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by
    #36

    BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play..  No way he doesn't play there..

  • BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play..  No way he doesn't play there..

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #37

    @unsympathetic said:

    BBC was #1 in the league last year at slot corner yards given up per play..  No way he doesn't play there..

    By that I assume you mean "least yards given up per play"?   As opposed to most?