Jonathan Paul Manziel
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The plan is to make JFF something like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers or Big Ben - pocket passer first, but with great ability to make things happen from broken plays, ability to pick up yardage with his legs at times, but not play 'turkey bowl' football like he had a tendency to in Texas.
At least, that's what I'd imagine, and seems to be their plan.
The plan is to make JFF something like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers or Big Ben - pocket passer first, but with great ability to make things happen from broken plays, ability to pick up yardage with his legs at times, but not play 'turkey bowl' football like he had a tendency to in Texas.
At least, that's what I'd imagine, and seems to be their plan.
I agree Chris except probably more like Wilson over Roethlisberger. JM is going to need some elevator shoes to be a qb like Roethlisberger.
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The main reason JM moves out of the pocket is because he can't see over the lineman, he's always going to have to roll out.
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The plan is to make JFF something like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers or Big Ben - pocket passer first, but with great ability to make things happen from broken plays, ability to pick up yardage with his legs at times, but not play 'turkey bowl' football like he had a tendency to in Texas.
At least, that's what I'd imagine, and seems to be their plan.
I agree Chris except probably more like Wilson over Roethlisberger. JM is going to need some elevator shoes to be a qb like Roethlisberger.
I agree Chris except probably more like Wilson over Roethlisberger. JM is going to need some elevator shoes to be a qb like Roethlisberger.
Sure, BR is super hard to take down or get the ball off, JM isn't going to be that. Point was more about keeping plays alive and making things happen.
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The main reason JM moves out of the pocket is because he can't see over the lineman, he's always going to have to roll out.
The main reason JM moves out of the pocket is because he can't see over the lineman, he's always going to have to roll out.
I thought Manziel looked good scrambling against the Jets. He looked much faster out there than last season and did well in getting the maximum yardage downfield before taking a slide (McCown who was brought on to mentor Manziel maybe could learn that part of the game from JM?) . It seems like we are looking for a balance with JM, he is a qb first and not a running back although his running ability is another weapon to use on opponents.
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This team isn't going to win the SB so there is an argument to roll with Johnny first.
McCown gives us the better chance to win now but if Sunday was anything to go by, this team won't win many games in the now.
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This team isn't going to win the SB so there is an argument to roll with Johnny first.
McCown gives us the better chance to win now but if Sunday was anything to go by, this team won't win many games in the now.
This team isn't going to win the SB so there is an argument to roll with Johnny first.
McCown gives us the better chance to win now but if Sunday was anything to go by, this team won't win many games in the now.
This team needs to lose the 'we're going to lose anyway' mentality. 5 years of winning no more than 5 games will instil that in you. A few years of 7-9, 8-8 isn't a terrible thing to break that habit, to elevate the browns from the status of laughing stock.
Putting in Manziel, going 5-11 this year, maybe 6-10 next year, is a recipe for a new GM/HC. Getting some credibility with another near .500 season is a recipe for giving the GM/HC more time, and a platform to build from.
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This team isn't going to win the SB so there is an argument to roll with Johnny first.
McCown gives us the better chance to win now but if Sunday was anything to go by, this team won't win many games in the now.
This team isn't going to win the SB so there is an argument to roll with Johnny first.
McCown gives us the better chance to win now but if Sunday was anything to go by, this team won't win many games in the now.
I don't think you can go by Sunday and I don't think that score is any indication of how bad the team is. Over and over we heard about McCown being the leader of the team on the field and in the locker room and then he goes out in a devastating way early in the game. it seemed like the wheels came off. I think we will know more about this team how they respond this week against the Titans. I think Pettine will have them ready and I would like to see them come out with a chip on their shoulder to prove they are better team than that loss to the Jets. We'll find out soon enough.
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I completely agree with you both, I wasn't advocating it or anything.
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I think McCown is the quarterback right now who gives us the best chance to win so I would like to see him as the starter. I did see the potential in JM last Sunday and I think he can develop into a Russell Wilson type qb.
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JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
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JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
What's the difference if they are going to run an entirely different offense when he's in? And he most certainly wasn't ready to start after sitting out the entire preseason.
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JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
Agree, to me JM is a rookie, last season was a write off.
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must be nice to have a job where you get paid and decide to do nothing for a year, then come back the next year and expect to be somebody that is respected and trusted by your colleagues.
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JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
JM was so ill-prepared to play in 2014 that he could not help to look better prepared this year. Unfortunately JM 2014 is not the league's QB standard.
He needs to sit and learn behind McCown. That's the posture that a JM who has decided to work at his craft adopted this year. That's the posture that has produced what progress we have seen.
By any objective standard JM is not ready to start.
I agree also Tour. I admit I didn't watch too much of Manziel at A & M except the big games like Alabama. I believe I am seeing now out of Manziel some of the things I have heard on this forum from A& M people (who did follow Manziel closely at A & M) about Manziel's competitiveness and abilities. I was one of Manziel's biggest critics last year as I didn't like his attitude and lack of work ethic. He has cleaned that up this year. He may not be ready to start but at least this season when he was forced to start we did not see a repeat performance of the Cincy game. He was much improved. Not there yet but better. I know comparing him to last season is a low bar but I give him credit for what he has been doing and I believe he will continue to improve.
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Like everyone has said, this is basically the rookie year he should have had last year. He'll have a steep learning curve, probably isn't ready just yet, but I'd love to see him take over by about game 9 (assuming we're not in playoff contention), to hopefully get him the game experience he needs to start next year.
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never like the johnny pick. really didn't like the way he came in and shit the bed last year after all his hype.
what i've seen of him so far this year i like. he's looks the part in the huddle and is now showing leadership and humility. just wondering if this is him topped out? he has the arm. he has the mobility but like my pitbull i think he has some things hard wired into his sytem where when the shit starts flying he reverts back to JF and pulls it down and runs. some guys come in and take over from day one. some don't. just don't see the aaron rodgers in him as of yet and how much time does this core team have to wait?
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never like the johnny pick. really didn't like the way he came in and shit the bed last year after all his hype.
what i've seen of him so far this year i like. he's looks the part in the huddle and is now showing leadership and humility. just wondering if this is him topped out? he has the arm. he has the mobility but like my pitbull i think he has some things hard wired into his sytem where when the shit starts flying he reverts back to JF and pulls it down and runs. some guys come in and take over from day one. some don't. just don't see the aaron rodgers in him as of yet and how much time does this core team have to wait?
never like the johnny pick. really didn't like the way he came in and shit the bed last year after all his hype.
what i've seen of him so far this year i like. he's looks the part in the huddle and is now showing leadership and humility. just wondering if this is him topped out? he has the arm. he has the mobility but like my pitbull i think he has some things hard wired into his sytem where when the shit starts flying he reverts back to JF and pulls it down and runs. some guys come in and take over from day one. some don't. just don't see the aaron rodgers in him as of yet and how much time does this core team have to wait?
I think he will improve if he doesn't get injured again this year. Got to try and keep the running to a minimum and learn to pass from the pocket. Need a running game to help him out, and of course the OL must provide adequate protection.
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My gripe with the Johnny -- Russell comparison is that Wilson was an effective pocket passer before he got to the NFL. Petey didn't ask nor did he need to tailor the offense just for Russell to be effective.
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I'm glad we have another Manziel thread.
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My gripe with the Johnny -- Russell comparison is that Wilson was an effective pocket passer before he got to the NFL. Petey didn't ask nor did he need to tailor the offense just for Russell to be effective.
My gripe with the Johnny -- Russell comparison is that Wilson was an effective pocket passer before he got to the NFL. Petey didn't ask nor did he need to tailor the offense just for Russell to be
Indeed he was, that's why he had success. Manziel needs to become an effective pocket passer, and then can hopefully enjoy similar success. That's what I was saying, nothing more, not sure why the gripe?
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