Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@twithersAP: Joe Thomas says #Browns players support Pettine's decision to bench Manziel.
@RuiterWrongFAN: "The QB position is not the reason we're 2-8" - Brian Hartline
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Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.2. Now that Pettine has put Johnny at 3rd string, what happens next? Say McCown and Davis play terribly, is Johnny even an option?
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
Thanks, CD. That's good to hear. I still wonder what it means, though. Does it mean that Johnny goes back to first string if he avoids drunk bar photos this week? Does he have to compete for the job in practice? Is he third string for the rest of the season?
This is all so "Days of our Lives". I don't expect Pettine to reveal anything, but I am certainly curious. If drunken bar photos prevented Johnny from playing in Aggieland, the greatest Aggie football player ever would have never seen the field.
Maybe that's what he needed. Real consequences for his less-than-scrupulous lifestyle. Maybe, like Stabler and Namath, he should be left alone if he's doing his job and not breaking any laws. Who knows?
It's just a shame that guys like Johnny and Josh Gordon can't curb their seemingly mundane needs and see the bigger picture. Hopefully it's not too late.
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Pet isn't going anywhere, Johnny is.
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Again...its not the photos that's the issue.
Johnny lied to everyone's face when he said he'd relax and not be a distraction. Its about trust and accountability, not drinking or rapping. You must first understand this fundamental fact before you can ask what he needs to do to get back on the field.
He got a huge "promotion", and rewarded his employers by appearing yet again in the tabloids after agreeing to not do just that. Trust....accountability...
When he start following through on his commitments, he'll start earning back that trust. I don't expect it to happen this season, pettines little cliché that trust is lost in buckets, bit regained in drops.
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No it doesn't, the 26th pick in the 1st round isn't that shiny anyway. C"mon you know that. And pettine's win %? Really? I thought you were one of the guys that understood this was gonna take some time. No one is coming in here and winning. You don't shoehorn players into a scheme that doesn't fit them, that's not how you win the NFL. Again, you're one of the smarter football guys here, you know this.
So how is starting McCown preparing for the future again? And in who's book is 2-14 an improvement?
So how is starting McCown preparing for the future again? And in who's book is 2-14 an improvement?
well no, but he'll do for now while the team firesales over the offseason.
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Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.2. Now that Pettine has put Johnny at 3rd string, what happens next? Say McCown and Davis play terribly, is Johnny even an option?
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
Pettine answered 1 questions during his presser, and made a comment that may shed some light on this.
Q: Has Johnny taken his last snap at QB for the Browns?
Pettine: "I hope not".
"I won't say that this is a dead end for Johnny, more like a hurdle".
Pettine has to say that. But how can anyone think that Manziel isn't finished in Cleveland? It would be awesome if he wasn't. It would be awesome if he came back next year and took over the team.
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would be most awesome if this was some totally next level ploy to can the season so they don't ruin their draft position with some late season meaningless wins.
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I think Pettine has mishandled Manziel since day 1. WWBBD?-What would Bill Belichek do? He would NEVER have talked about anything "off the field" with Manziel from day 1. He would have never even uttered the words "off the field," and certainly would have never admitted that Manziel may have a weakness...
Right now, Belichek would say something like:
"It's my job to play the guys who give us the best chance to win. As long as you do your job, you play."
Maybe the Owner and GM have been unfair to Pettine from day 1 by trotting him out to handle all the questions about Manziel all this time, but he sure as hell hasn't handled them well. Trying to be too much of a "dad" and not just a football coach... He should leave it up to the owner, GM, and player development coordinator to manage whether or not Manziel is "eligible" to play... based on his off-field stuff. If you're the HC, you have to play him b/c he has looked good, and he might be the QB of the future for your team. To shove him down to 3rd string... not a good "coaching move," BUT a good "Non-enabling" move... unfortunately that is NOT Pettine's job...
Having said all that...
I think there is more to the story than we have heard, and most of us are abreacting b/c we are missing the critical piece of information that probably explains what's happening. I find it hard to believe Haslam would let Manziel sit on a Monday Night Football game without having some ammo to tell his fellow owners when they start complaining about ruining the ratings for that unwatchable game...
I think Pettine has mishandled Manziel since day 1. WWBBD?-What would Bill Belichek do? He would NEVER have talked about anything "off the field" with Manziel from day 1. He would have never even uttered the words "off the field," and certainly would have never admitted that Manziel may have a weakness...
Right now, Belichek would say something like:
"It's my job to play the guys who give us the best chance to win. As long as you do your job, you play."
Maybe the Owner and GM have been unfair to Pettine from day 1 by trotting him out to handle all the questions about Manziel all this time, but he sure as hell hasn't handled them well. Trying to be too much of a "dad" and not just a football coach... He should leave it up to the owner, GM, and player development coordinator to manage whether or not Manziel is "eligible" to play... based on his off-field stuff. If you're the HC, you have to play him b/c he has looked good, and he might be the QB of the future for your team. To shove him down to 3rd string... not a good "coaching move," BUT a good "Non-enabling" move... unfortunately that is NOT Pettine's job...
Having said all that...
I think there is more to the story than we have heard, and most of us are abreacting b/c we are missing the critical piece of information that probably explains what's happening. I find it hard to believe Haslam would let Manziel sit on a Monday Night Football game without having some ammo to tell his fellow owners when they start complaining about ruining the ratings for that unwatchable game...
Belichick would have cut Manziel last year after missing practices, team meetings, and showing up hungover.. Manziel wasn't demoted to 3rd string for just this bye week. It has been 2 years in the making..
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I knew that Manziel would party some during the BYE week, you could tell by the locker room interview just before the break. He said that he was going to do what many other players were going to do, go out and shut it down for a little bit, as it was deserved for all the hard work. He said that he wouldn't do anything that would shame the Browns, that he wouldn't create a distraction... here's the problem, he didn't do anything he said he wouldn't.
Last week they had a sit down interview with Pettine asking who he would like to have a beer with. He answered it and said that he's had many BEERS with LOTS of coaches, many late night forays in drunken stupor(my words) but then chastises Manziel for going to a party, celebrating becoming the starting QB... this is hypocrisy at it's intrinsic sense of the word. The QB may be the leader but the Coach is the General, you can't have a double standard and be respected.
Manziel was not drunk laying on a swan, getting into a brawl or sniffing cocaine during the BYE, he partied and 'relaxed' like he said he would do. He's 22 years old and that's how young people 'unwind' for studying and grinding constantly... If Manziel had done something other than just being himself then what he did what not have been a distraction, the only reason it is, is because he's Manziel.
I have a hard time believing that Pettine would have benched Manziel if video was shown of him drunk and doing country karaoke, but because he was listening and dancing to rap music to enjoy his time off, he is benched.. that is complete bullshit and should cost Pettine his job, he's put our franchise and the good of our young QB's development behind his senseless father figure hyperbole.
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I knew that Manziel would party some during the BYE week, you could tell by the locker room interview just before the break. He said that he was going to do what many other players were going to do, go out and shut it down for a little bit, as it was deserved for all the hard work. He said that he wouldn't do anything that would shame the Browns, that he wouldn't create a distraction... here's the problem, he didn't do anything he said he wouldn't.
Last week they had a sit down interview with Pettine asking who he would like to have a beer with. He answered it and said that he's had many BEERS with LOTS of coaches, many late night forays in drunken stupor(my words) but then chastises Manziel for going to a party, celebrating becoming the starting QB... this is hypocrisy at it's intrinsic sense of the word. The QB may be the leader but the Coach is the General, you can't have a double standard and be respected.
Manziel was not drunk laying on a swan, getting into a brawl or sniffing cocaine during the BYE, he partied and 'relaxed' like he said he would do. He's 22 years old and that's how young people 'unwind' for studying and grinding constantly... If Manziel had done something other than just being himself then what he did what not have been a distraction, the only reason it is, is because he's Manziel.
I have a hard time believing that Pettine would have benched Manziel if video was shown of him drunk and doing country karaoke, but because he was listening and dancing to rap music to enjoy his time off, he is benched.. that is complete bullshit and should cost Pettine his job, he's put our franchise and the good of our young QB's development behind his senseless father figure hyperbole.
I knew that Manziel would party some during the BYE week, you could tell by the locker room interview just before the break. He said that he was going to do what many other players were going to do, go out and shut it down for a little bit, as it was deserved for all the hard work. He said that he wouldn't do anything that would shame the Browns, that he wouldn't create a distraction... here's the problem, he didn't do anything he said he wouldn't.
Last week they had a sit down interview with Pettine asking who he would like to have a beer with. He answered it and said that he's had many BEERS with LOTS of coaches, many late night forays in drunken stupor(my words) but then chastises Manziel for going to a party, celebrating becoming the starting QB... this is hypocrisy at it's intrinsic sense of the word. The QB may be the leader but the Coach is the General, you can't have a double standard and be respected.
Manziel was not drunk laying on a swan, getting into a brawl or sniffing cocaine during the BYE, he partied and 'relaxed' like he said he would do. He's 22 years old and that's how young people 'unwind' for studying and grinding constantly... If Manziel had done something other than just being himself then what he did what not have been a distraction, the only reason it is, is because he's Manziel.
I have a hard time believing that Pettine would have benched Manziel if video was shown of him drunk and doing country karaoke, but because he was listening and dancing to rap music to enjoy his time off, he is benched.. that is complete bullshit and should cost Pettine his job, he's put our franchise and the good of our young QB's development behind his senseless father figure hyperbole.
You seem to me to be a similar type personality as JFF. Which means you are full of the same bullshit as Johnny....and that you probably have the same work ethic as Johnny....that you are probably equally as unprofessional as Johnny......because you are making excuses for him
He has proven unprofessional, dishonest, untrustworthy.
Yes you want to make excuses for him.
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I knew that Manziel would party some during the BYE week, you could tell by the locker room interview just before the break. He said that he was going to do what many other players were going to do, go out and shut it down for a little bit, as it was deserved for all the hard work. He said that he wouldn't do anything that would shame the Browns, that he wouldn't create a distraction... here's the problem, he didn't do anything he said he wouldn't.
Last week they had a sit down interview with Pettine asking who he would like to have a beer with. He answered it and said that he's had many BEERS with LOTS of coaches, many late night forays in drunken stupor(my words) but then chastises Manziel for going to a party, celebrating becoming the starting QB... this is hypocrisy at it's intrinsic sense of the word. The QB may be the leader but the Coach is the General, you can't have a double standard and be respected.
Manziel was not drunk laying on a swan, getting into a brawl or sniffing cocaine during the BYE, he partied and 'relaxed' like he said he would do. He's 22 years old and that's how young people 'unwind' for studying and grinding constantly... If Manziel had done something other than just being himself then what he did what not have been a distraction, the only reason it is, is because he's Manziel.
I have a hard time believing that Pettine would have benched Manziel if video was shown of him drunk and doing country karaoke, but because he was listening and dancing to rap music to enjoy his time off, he is benched.. that is complete bullshit and should cost Pettine his job, he's put our franchise and the good of our young QB's development behind his senseless father figure hyperbole.
I knew that Manziel would party some during the BYE week, you could tell by the locker room interview just before the break. He said that he was going to do what many other players were going to do, go out and shut it down for a little bit, as it was deserved for all the hard work. He said that he wouldn't do anything that would shame the Browns, that he wouldn't create a distraction... here's the problem, he didn't do anything he said he wouldn't.
Last week they had a sit down interview with Pettine asking who he would like to have a beer with. He answered it and said that he's had many BEERS with LOTS of coaches, many late night forays in drunken stupor(my words) but then chastises Manziel for going to a party, celebrating becoming the starting QB... this is hypocrisy at it's intrinsic sense of the word. The QB may be the leader but the Coach is the General, you can't have a double standard and be respected.
Manziel was not drunk laying on a swan, getting into a brawl or sniffing cocaine during the BYE, he partied and 'relaxed' like he said he would do. He's 22 years old and that's how young people 'unwind' for studying and grinding constantly... If Manziel had done something other than just being himself then what he did what not have been a distraction, the only reason it is, is because he's Manziel.
I have a hard time believing that Pettine would have benched Manziel if video was shown of him drunk and doing country karaoke, but because he was listening and dancing to rap music to enjoy his time off, he is benched.. that is complete bullshit and should cost Pettine his job, he's put our franchise and the good of our young QB's development behind his senseless father figure hyperbole.
hey stupid, He admits he is an alcoholic. Hey stupid, he was in rehab that you the taxpayer paid for. Hey dumbo, when you get out of rehab, not only are you not supposed to drink anymore, you are not supposed to hang out with people that do drink, go to bars that you once attended while still drinking and you are supposed to get a sponsor..I'll bet he has no sponsor and hangs with folks that party and goes to the same bars and nightclubs prior to his rehab.
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This scenario was talked about on Sportscenter & Sirius/XM.
If Haslam blows this thing up, what are the chances of JM staying on the roster?
They all agreed that the new regime wouldn't want Manziel on the roster.
This scenario was talked about on Sportscenter & Sirius/XM.
If Haslam blows this thing up, what are the chances of JM staying on the roster?
They all agreed that the new regime wouldn't want Manziel on the roster.
It's pretty fucking obvious now that either manziel or pettine are gone, or maybe even both. Who the fuck knows at this point. I don't even give a shit anymore at this embarrasment. I'm not getting any younger and if this whole thing is blown up, it will take yrs and yrs and yrs to rebuild. Don't think i can hang with another major rebuild.
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One thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
So, I would not be surprised to hear he has an upcoming suspension...4 games?....10 games?.....
And I could be 100% wrong......but if you read the policy....its all there in black and white....
And, before anyone says "we would know"... the fine for leaking any info is $500,000
One thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
So, I would not be surprised to hear he has an upcoming suspension...4 games?....10 games?.....
And I could be 100% wrong......but if you read the policy....its all there in black and white....
And, before anyone says "we would know"... the fine for leaking any info is $500,000
johnny is going to the cowboys. bank on it...jerry won't have to try to hard and romo is getting old and beatup ala manning...he will get manziel...count on it...
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
He has the right to ask players to act like professionals....including on their off times. They ask for promises.....get them, then they are broken within hours literally. He has that right.
If the Collective Bargaining rules didn't disallow it, he could have asked Johnny to be in film study, practice, conditioning etc. etc. of every day of the bye week.
I see this as a CBA problem. The laxity of the rules of the CBA really allows for this to happen.
He has the right to ask players to act like professionals....including on their off times. They ask for promises.....get them, then they are broken within hours literally. He has that right.
If the Collective Bargaining rules didn't disallow it, he could have asked Johnny to be in film study, practice, conditioning etc. etc. of every day of the bye week.
I see this as a CBA problem. The laxity of the rules of the CBA really allows for this to happen.
your damn right he does. they paid for his rehab on top of it...think rehab is cheap? think again. If you don't have a good healthcare provider, most of us would not be able to afford it...manziel is a fucking moron.
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Actually you're going with Mike Pettine over the Cleveland Browns.
It's coach vs Johnny not Johnny VS Team.
Maybe it is with you. Pettine has the support of Farmer and Haslem. I assume that means the entire organization.
If your boss (coach) says "don't do this" and you go out and do it ... I am not crying crocodile tears for you because you got demoted.
Zombo
Don't misunderstand my position. As I said earlier that's true. A coach can'take afford to allow any player to basically tell him to go fuck himself. Which, depending on how the warning was framed, is what Johnny did.Zombo said:
Maybe it is with you. Pettine has the support of Farmer and Haslem. I assume that means the entire organization.
If your boss (coach) says "don't do this" and you go out and do it ... I am not crying crocodile tears for you because you got demoted.
Zombo
I will probably get some backlash from Bernie Kosar lovers when I remind them that's why Bill Belichick cut him loose.
What I'm saying is that weekend in Austin had nothing to do with his continued progress as an NFL quarterback.
And that line in the sand and the coaches reaction is what made the whole thing a big story. Otherwise it would have just been pictures of a goofball singing karaoke.
Now instead of playing him and trading him to Dallas well, the team looks like a bigger bunch of idiots than ever and team progress is set back substantially.
Even if the kid was an ass hole and deserved it.
WSS
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You people act like he was arrested for concealed weapons, shot himself in the leg, knocked out his fiancé, abused his 5 year old child, ran someone over and KILLED them while drunk, electrocuted a bunch of dogs, or was involved in a murder . . . you guys see where I'm going here.
Dude went to a club . . . Had some drinks . . . on his weekend off . . . That's what happened.
I get that he totally fucked his rookie season, but they gave him a second chance, and by all accounts he's been doing everything he needed to do to improve, and it showed on the field. Is the guy progressing on the field on Sundays, is he where he needs to be when he is supposed to be there (practice, meetings, whatever) is he suspended by the league? That's all that should concern Pettine . . . since when is the HC the teams PR manager? I'm tired of hearing about how we want character guys, guys who work hard in practice, guys who study the film and blah blah blah . . . . I want guys who can win football games . . . PERIOD. Maybe Johnny was that guy and maybe he wasn't, but now we'll never know cause the HC wanted to micro manage everything he did on and OFF the field. We may get to find out if he ends up in Dallas . . . or some other team.
Another rookie QB that got sucked into the blackhole that is the Cleveland Browns organization.
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So Pettine is a slave driver? He dictates what players do on their own time? No wonder no one good ever wants to play for the Browns.
He dictated what one player, yes one, player did in their free time after they have been shown to make shitty life decisions that effects their ability to be prepared for football games. If Johnny had been a drunk who showed up and knew the game plan, no one would give a shit.
He dictated what one player, yes one, player did in their free time after they have been shown to make shitty life decisions that effects their ability to be prepared for football games. If Johnny had been a drunk who showed up and knew the game plan, no one would give a shit.
He has been this season. Showing up and knowing the game plan. Even the coach says so.
WSS
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You people act like he was arrested for concealed weapons, shot himself in the leg, knocked out his fiancé, abused his 5 year old child, ran someone over and KILLED them while drunk, electrocuted a bunch of dogs, or was involved in a murder . . . you guys see where I'm going here.
Dude went to a club . . . Had some drinks . . . on his weekend off . . . That's what happened.
I get that he totally fucked his rookie season, but they gave him a second chance, and by all accounts he's been doing everything he needed to do to improve, and it showed on the field. Is the guy progressing on the field on Sundays, is he where he needs to be when he is supposed to be there (practice, meetings, whatever) is he suspended by the league? That's all that should concern Pettine . . . since when is the HC the teams PR manager? I'm tired of hearing about how we want character guys, guys who work hard in practice, guys who study the film and blah blah blah . . . . I want guys who can win football games . . . PERIOD. Maybe Johnny was that guy and maybe he wasn't, but now we'll never know cause the HC wanted to micro manage everything he did on and OFF the field. We may get to find out if he ends up in Dallas . . . or some other team.
Another rookie QB that got sucked into the blackhole that is the Cleveland Browns organization.
You people act like he was arrested for concealed weapons, shot himself in the leg, knocked out his fiancé, abused his 5 year old child, ran someone over and KILLED them while drunk, electrocuted a bunch of dogs, or was involved in a murder . . . you guys see where I'm going here.
Dude went to a club . . . Had some drinks . . . on his weekend off . . . That's what happened.
I get that he totally fucked his rookie season, but they gave him a second chance, and by all accounts he's been doing everything he needed to do to improve, and it showed on the field. Is the guy progressing on the field on Sundays, is he where he needs to be when he is supposed to be there (practice, meetings, whatever) is he suspended by the league? That's all that should concern Pettine . . . since when is the HC the teams PR manager? I'm tired of hearing about how we want character guys, guys who work hard in practice, guys who study the film and blah blah blah . . . . I want guys who can win football games . . . PERIOD. Maybe Johnny was that guy and maybe he wasn't, but now we'll never know cause the HC wanted to micro manage everything he did on and OFF the field. We may get to find out if he ends up in Dallas . . . or some other team.
Another rookie QB that got sucked into the blackhole that is the Cleveland Browns organization.
And he threw it way for his own personal agenda.
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One thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
So, I would not be surprised to hear he has an upcoming suspension...4 games?....10 games?.....
And I could be 100% wrong......but if you read the policy....its all there in black and white....
And, before anyone says "we would know"... the fine for leaking any info is $500,000
He admitted to drinking the day the police pulled him over for the gf incident and there was no mention of this what so everOne thing that may come up is whether or not he is in the NFL substance abuse program......and I think there is a very good chance that he is.....
Reading the policy, he meets ALL the criteria for the program. With his college issues and very visible drinking habits, then a public admission followed by rehab.....he "should" be at minimum, stage one in the program.....My guess is he could be stage 2.....we will soon find out....
One of the interesting aspects to the new policy is that you can avoid your first suspension by obtaining "treatment"(ala rehab) for your problem. But continued use of that or ANY substance(including alcohol, ask Josh) will get you fined and or suspended.....
So, I would not be surprised to hear he has an upcoming suspension...4 games?....10 games?.....
And I could be 100% wrong......but if you read the policy....its all there in black and white....
And, before anyone says "we would know"... the fine for leaking any info is $500,000
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You people act like he was arrested for concealed weapons, shot himself in the leg, knocked out his fiancé, abused his 5 year old child, ran someone over and KILLED them while drunk, electrocuted a bunch of dogs, or was involved in a murder . . . you guys see where I'm going here.
Dude went to a club . . . Had some drinks . . . on his weekend off . . . That's what happened.
I get that he totally fucked his rookie season, but they gave him a second chance, and by all accounts he's been doing everything he needed to do to improve, and it showed on the field. Is the guy progressing on the field on Sundays, is he where he needs to be when he is supposed to be there (practice, meetings, whatever) is he suspended by the league? That's all that should concern Pettine . . . since when is the HC the teams PR manager? I'm tired of hearing about how we want character guys, guys who work hard in practice, guys who study the film and blah blah blah . . . . I want guys who can win football games . . . PERIOD. Maybe Johnny was that guy and maybe he wasn't, but now we'll never know cause the HC wanted to micro manage everything he did on and OFF the field. We may get to find out if he ends up in Dallas . . . or some other team.
Another rookie QB that got sucked into the blackhole that is the Cleveland Browns organization.
And he threw it way for his own personal agenda.
And he threw it way for his own personal agenda.
Or the coach has his own personal agenda?
I want to hear what Farmer and Haslam have to say . . .
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