Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Zombo said:
Unless, back in the day, some guy got drafted and got cut in training camp.
Since there were 30 rounds back in the 50's I'd say TC cuts are a safe bet...
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Today's the day
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PoG, pass the potato chips and hand me another beer.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Cleveland can cut Johnny at 4 PM tomorrow.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/browns_will_cut_ties_with_john.html
I think it is done by 4:01 PM.
Which will make his career as a Brown shorter than Brandon Weeden's, who was cut on March 12th after his second season.
Johnny still setting records.
Zombo
I agree Z, 4:01 tomorrow. For sure a Browns record. Maybe Gip can look up the NFL record for the fastest cut of a first round pick.
I agree Z, 4:01 tomorrow. For sure a Browns record.
Was curious so did a little research....and think Craig Powell may have the record....only made it 1/2 way through his second season....and never started a single game.....thanks Bullychick!
A few other 2 year wonders were Clifford Charlton, Pete Adams & Mike Junkin.....and making things worse, Charlton and Junkin were back to back picks.....
And, of course, there was Don Rogers.....
So....Johnny, Weeds, Powell, Charlton, Junkin, Adams and Rogers = 7 first rounders gone in 2 years or less.....turble
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Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
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Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
Missed Weeden, two-and-done, Little, Massequoi, others...
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Zombo said:
Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
Missed Weeden, two-and-done, Little, Massequoi, others...
Missed Weeden, two-and-done, Little, Massequoi, others...
Ha!....we're talking first round......just havent got the strength to discuss 2nd and later.....
Though...if I was.....Id start with Ron Brown and Tom Skladany.....
....Id almost venture to say out 2nd rounders have outperformed the firsts.....
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I don't think we'll make another 25 pages...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
How far down the draft are we to go? Just first rounders?
OK, I see, never mind.
I am going to put some documentation about Browns 1st round busts on another thread of its own.
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If we don't get a quality starter at number two there are going to be some bad feelings.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Other glorious moments:
Trent, #3 overall and traded early in his second season.
Phil Taylor didn't make it to his second contract.
Brady Quinn ... 3 years: 3 wins
Kam Wimbley ... four years and gone
Jeff Faine ... three years and gone
William Green, Tommy Vardell, Charles White, William Adams ...
And that's not even touching these Top o' the Draft heartbreaks who stayed and played, but not like Top ten picks: Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Braylon Edwards ...
Can we nail one this year?
Zombo
Missed Weeden, two-and-done, Little, Massequoi, others...
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I used to get worried whenever the commentator would say Weeden to Josh Gordon ......
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Zombo said:
I'll merge the "drama & dopey thread" and then there will be a whole 'nother thread to merge when we cut him.
No problemo.
Soon ... The Big Merge.
Zombo
Merge the analytics guys in there too. They'd fit right in.
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What is the status of the grand jury investigation....if that is what is going on...into the DV allegations against JFF?
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What is the status of the grand jury investigation....if that is what is going on...into the DV allegations against JFF?
What is the status of the grand jury investigation....if that is what is going on...into the DV allegations against JFF?
It takes months in Dallas to get before a grand jury, especially since it is not a felony charge being asked for and a signed (by JM) protective order is already in place.
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I don't think we'll make another 25 pages...
Nope
Zombo said:
I'll merge the "drama & dopey thread" and then there will be a whole 'nother thread to merge when we cut him.
No problemo.
Soon ... The Big Merge.
Zombo
I agree Z. After the big heave-ho, we can start a Johnny Gonzo Thread. Can we start taking opinions on how soon it's going to happen? I say before 5PM today.
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I don't think we'll make another 25 pages...
Nope
Zombo said:
I'll merge the "drama & dopey thread" and then there will be a whole 'nother thread to merge when we cut him.
No problemo.
Soon ... The Big Merge.
Zombo
I agree Z. After the big heave-ho, we can start a Johnny Gonzo Thread. Can we start taking opinions on how soon it's going to happen? I say before 5PM today.
Nope
I agree Z. After the big heave-ho, we can start a Johnny Gonzo Thread. Can we start taking opinions on how soon it's going to happen? I say before 5PM today.
Can we have a 1 day Sayonara Sucker party for JFF....then a moratorium on him after that?
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....then a moratorium on him after that?
Good idea, but doomed to fail...
Someday he'll do something great again, like complete a pass, and the "told-you-so's" will come a runnin'...
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