Jonathan Paul Manziel
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short post that says even less and brings zero value.Long post that really says not a fucking thing.
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Gipper, I thought you were a lawyer? This is the worst kind of pseudo-logic.
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And as you go later into the rounds, more red would appear (if held to the same standards)
I did this for AP stats in HS based on QBR and round taken. There is a correlation. At least I think it was QBR, maybe we used something slightly different. Something that was pretty fair for determining"good" vs "bad"...
Exactly, how often does this have to be pointed out? QB success correlates pretty well with round taken. I did a similar analysis. To summarize, if you take the top 20 QBs in history and group them by round taken, the most highly represented round is the first. Gip is right in that being a 1st round pick doesn't guarantee success, but QBs picked in the first round are still the most likely to succeed.And as you go later into the rounds, more red would appear (if held to the same standards)
I did this for AP stats in HS based on QBR and round taken. There is a correlation. At least I think it was QBR, maybe we used something slightly different. Something that was pretty fair for determining"good" vs "bad"...
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Drew Bledsoe was OK.
WSS
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Bledsoe was the first choice to play Mary's ex-boyfriend in Something About Mary, but then he got bad publicity for the mosh pit thing and role eventually went to Brett Fav-ra after Steve Young passed because the content was too racy.
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Zombo said:
Bledsoe was the first choice to play Mary's ex-boyfriend in Something About Mary, but then he got bad publicity for the mosh pit thing and role eventually went to Brett Fav-ra after Steve Young passed because the content was too racy.
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Franks and beans!
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theres even AN INDOOR DOG PARK..
He must have been taking his poodle for a little late night game of fetch. Mystery solved.
He must have been taking his poodle for a little late night game of fetch. Mystery solved.
Good point! His gang was there to wipe the slobbery ball before handing it to Lil j man. J man needs a crew wipe his slobbery balls with so many lined up to provide the slobber.
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He must have been taking his poodle for a little late night game of fetch. Mystery solved.
Good point! His gang was there to wipe the slobbery ball before handing it to Lil j man. J man needs a crew wipe his slobbery balls with so many lined up to provide the slobber.
Good point! His gang was there to wipe the slobbery ball before handing it to Lil j man. J man needs a crew wipe his slobbery balls with so many lined up to provide the slobber.
He presumably gets the ball from his bodyguard, tries to throw the ball where the dog is expecting, sees a better opportunity, runs around a bit, and then throws it somewhere completely unexpected. But, the dog had a great time, and so did everyone who saw it, so let's just keep doing that.
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Archie Manning sucked
He was a bust. He never amounted to anything except he fathered Superbowl winning QB's Browns149*********************************************************
This is ignorant. Way too much ignorant.Too much of that around here.
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Drafted by the Saints, 1971, second pick overall.
Attended Ole Miss, started 3 yrs. In his first prime time game broadcast,he threw for 436 yds and three touchdowns, also rushing for 104 yds. in a 33-32 loss to Alabama.Played for the Saints for ten full seasons.In 1978, he was named the NFC Player of the Year by UPI after leading the Saints to a 7–9 record. That same year, Archie was also named All-NFC by both the UPI and The Sporting News.Manning was selected to the Pro Bowl in 1978 and 1979. -
The real hoodoo on Manziel is the spot where he was drafted - which has not been kind to recent Browns Quarterbacks. On a positive note, if Manziel is not able to play QB, he's athletic enough we can convert him into a wide receiver or a Safety. Converted quarterbacks often do well in those spots.
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What reputable spots are open until 02:00 Downtown?
Regardless of reputation, who here has ever "hung out" with Mom until the wee hours?
And did Oedipus invent the money sign?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
What reputable spots are open until 02:00 Downtown?
Regardless of reputation, who here has ever "hung out" with Mom until the wee hours?
And did Oedipus invent the money sign?
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Long post that really says not a fucking thing.
Long post that really says not a fucking thing.
It says who was and who was not a bust among first round drafted QBs. I mean, did you like miss that? What were you looking for? Fairy dust?
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Here's another good sign for Johnny. Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl. This is easily the 5th time cowherd has done this and he's been wrong every previous time. Most famously, he said Bama would knock him out of last year's game and win by 30+. They won 49-42 and manziel put 562 yards on them.
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he jits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
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I dont get this post?
Theres a ton of Non red letter names on there.. Why assume Johnny is one of them and not one of the good ones?
I dont get this post?
Theres a ton of Non red letter names on there.. Why assume Johnny is one of them and not one of the good ones?
Again, you all seem to be missing the point. Nothing is assumed.....it merely points out the crapshoot nature of a first round draft pick QB.
Right.....we cannot assume that Johnny will be one of the red letter names.......nor can we assume....as you seem to....that he will not be one.
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Here's another good sign for Johnny. Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl. This is easily the 5th time cowherd has done this and he's been wrong every previous time. Most famously, he said Bama would knock him out of last year's game and win by 30+. They won 49-42 and manziel put 562 yards on them.
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he jits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
Here's another good sign for Johnny.......Colin Cowherd says he will never last in the nfl.....
Johnny hears this. It motivates him. When he jits the field, he will desperately want to prove he can play.
Ahhhh......THATS IT!!!
JFF will be great BECAUSE Colin Cowhead said something to motivate him.....
Brilliant!
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List the undrafted rookie qbs and you could make a great argument against Hoyer. Chill the fuck out until Johnny actually plays. He may be a bust or he may not be a bust.
That is the exact fucking point of my post. Did you not read? It is those clamoring for JFF who think he should play now and who think he is their savior that need to chill out until he actually plays. All I am saying is that history shows that a vast perecentage of QBs taken in the first round are busts......and that to be absolutey convinced that JFF will be on the positive side of that ledger is just ignoring history.
We're 7-4, and have a rookie qb in a great situation compared to Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr ect., who are on garbage teams. Shitty teams contribute a lot more towards a qb being a bust than is giving credit for
Possibly true. On the other hand sometimes a good QB can break his team out of their shittiness. Brady may be one of those guys, since you mentioned him.
. How do you think Tom Brady (although not a first rounder) would have turned out if he would've been the Brown's starter back in the early 2000s?
I don't know....how about hopping on Mr. Sherman's way back machine and have the Browns take him instead of Spergon Wynn.
Basically your post says, "Johnny may be a bust, so let's hope he's a bust." Quit bashing our rookie qb. Did you get beat up in high school or something? Are you one of those guys that pees in a stall and is mad at everyone?
Brady did not make the Patriots great. Look at their games from a season before and although they didn't have the best record almost every loss was within 3 points. Also a season before that they were 8-8. It was hardly a shitty team that was carried by a qb.
Basically your post says, "Johnny may be a bust, so let's hope he's a bust."
No, fucking dumbass. I am saying, Johnny may be a bust, but let's hope he isn't.
Quit bashing our rookie qb. Did you get beat up in high school or something? Are you one of those guys that pees in a stall and is mad at everyone?
You seem so familiar with these events. Must be the story or your life. Certainly not mine. This is stuff I would never even imagined. Apparently you didn't have to imagine them.
Brady did not make the Patriots great. Look at their games from a season before and although they didn't have the best record almost every loss was within 3 points. Also a season before that they were 8-8. It was hardly a shitty team that was carried by a qb.
The season before Brady took over as QB of the Pats, they were 5-11. Even the Browns who went lkie 2-14 or 3-13 beat them. I know, that is the first game I went to after they "came back". You clearly have no knowledge of NFL history.
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And as you go later into the rounds, more red would appear (if held to the same standards)
I did this for AP stats in HS based on QBR and round taken. There is a correlation. At least I think it was QBR, maybe we used something slightly different. Something that was pretty fair for determining"good" vs "bad"...
And as you go later into the rounds, more red would appear (if held to the same standards)
Sure, absolutely. I would never claim otherwise. It still just shows what a crapshoot taking a QB is.
I did this for AP stats in HS based on QBR and round taken. There is a correlation. At least I think it was QBR, maybe we used something slightly different. Something that was pretty fair for determining"good" vs "bad"...
Maybe "passer rating?
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So Gipper, your point is that some QBs have been taken in the first round, some of whom have been busts, some not, and JFF might fall in to either category? Because tautologies are tautologies...
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@everlastingxxx said:
I wouldnt put Drew Bledsoe as a bust.
You are absolutely right. I made a mistake when I listed him as a bust. I have corrected that.
#1st round QBs have much better odds vs undrafted free agent QBs at not being busts.
No doubt. But my point was to show that even 1st rounders are 50/50
BTW, anyone that would call Manziel a bust without him even starting a single game is lacking football knowledge.
It was not my intention to call him a bust, but to merely point out or concern that he could be and that we should not be surprised if he becomes one of the almost 50% of first rounders that do. You haven't been a Browns fan long enough. We are batting about 100% on the bust factor with our drafted QBs. So, optimism hasn't been rewarded for us.
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