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The Le'Veon Bell watch continues......... oh yeah, the soap opera goes on.

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  • @vagitron said:

    You completely made up an issue with ownership. A complete and total fabrication based on nothing but your desire to type it out. I'm talking about ONLY that portion of your post. You do it allllllllllllllllllllllllll the time.

    Art II has been an owner since 2003.

    Jimmy Haslam was a Steeler partial owner in 2003.  That don't mean he gets respect from Steeler players, does it?

    And you have a litany of players who have had contract disputes with Steeler managment/ownership.  Sorry, but that DOES affect the respect that people have for someone.  Maybe they are all soft and cuddly with each other when times are good, but when they want paid? Not so much....as is happening now.

    And how many top free agents have signed with Pisstown?  None that I can recall.  So, apparently, among the rest of the players of the league, Pittsburgh is definitely NOT considered a prime destination for them.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Jimmy Haslam was a Steeler partial owner in 2003.  That don't mean he gets respect from Steeler players, does it?

    And you have a litany of players who have had contract disputes with Steeler managment/ownership.  Sorry, but that DOES affect the respect that people have for someone.  Maybe they are all soft and cuddly with each other when times are good, but when they want paid? Not so much....as is happening now.

    And how many top free agents have signed with Pisstown?  None that I can recall.  So, apparently, among the rest of the players of the league, Pittsburgh is definitely NOT considered a prime destination for them.

    Well Gip,most of the time when the Steelers let a player walk because he wants paid, they turn out to be nobodies. Plaxico Burress? We did the same with Terrell Pryor. 

  • @vagitron said:

    They offered him the richest running back contract in the history of the league and he turned it down. Gurley signed after bell. They just don't overpay. He deserves 17m per year at the most volatile position in the league?

    And how did they "abuse" him. He wants paid a Sheet load of money because of what he can do. Bell ain't the only cog in the wheel. Check the steelers record without him.

    He turned it down because he knew what the market was, and he was right. Gurley and Bell are of the same caliber, there's no reason that Bell should be getting over $10 million less in guaranteed money. Screw being the richest contract, that doesn't mean crap outside the guarantee and you should know that. 

    742 touches over two years is insane for a RB, so yes they abused his ability. He may not be the only cog in the machine, but they went 11-9 in games he didn't play before this season, which isn't exactly eye-popping.  When dude came back and touched the ball 20+ times in 2016 the team went 10-1. You're just being delusional if you think he's not a factor back and the best in the league over the last 4 seasons. To not pay him as such in guaranteed money is again a slap in the face whether you want to believe that or not. Using the franchise tag like that is a crappy move in lieu of offering a contract, that's not an open secret.

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by
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    @jrb12711 said:

    He turned it down because he knew what the market was, and he was right. Gurley and Bell are of the same caliber, there's no reason that Bell should be getting over $10 million less in guaranteed money. Screw being the richest contract, that doesn't mean crap outside the guarantee and you should know that. 

    742 touches over two years is insane for a RB, so yes they abused his ability. He may not be the only cog in the machine, but they went 11-9 in games he didn't play before this season, which isn't exactly eye-popping.  When dude came back and touched the ball 20+ times in 2016 the team went 10-1. You're just being delusional if you think he's not a factor back and the best in the league over the last 4 seasons. To not pay him as such in guaranteed money is again a slap in the face whether you want to believe that or not. Using the franchise tag like that is a crappy move in lieu of offering a contract, that's not an open secret.

    That ist't just rushing touches dip Sheet and part of the reason he wants as much as he does is because of his ability in the pass game. If those touches were minimized he would have less of a salary leg to stand on. As far as Gurley is concerned he's younger, hasn't been suspended twice and didn't blow out a knee.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    He turned it down because he knew what the market was, and he was right. Gurley and Bell are of the same caliber, there's no reason that Bell should be getting over $10 million less in guaranteed money. Screw being the richest contract, that doesn't mean crap outside the guarantee and you should know that. 

    742 touches over two years is insane for a RB, so yes they abused his ability. He may not be the only cog in the machine, but they went 11-9 in games he didn't play before this season, which isn't exactly eye-popping.  When dude came back and touched the ball 20+ times in 2016 the team went 10-1. You're just being delusional if you think he's not a factor back and the best in the league over the last 4 seasons. To not pay him as such in guaranteed money is again a slap in the face whether you want to believe that or not. Using the franchise tag like that is a crappy move in lieu of offering a contract, that's not an open secret.

    That ist't just rushing touches dip Sheet and part of the reason he wants as much as he does is because of his ability in the pass game. If those touches were minimized he would have less of a salary leg to stand on. As far as Gurley is concerned he's younger, hasn't been suspended twice and didn't blow out a knee.

    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by jrb12711
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    @vagitron said:

    That ist't just rushing touches dip Sheet and part of the reason he wants as much as he does is because of his ability in the pass game. If those touches were minimized he would have less of a salary leg to stand on. As far as Gurley is concerned he's younger, hasn't been suspended twice and didn't blow out a knee.

    LOL what? So getting tackled after a pass catch is some great difference between after a rush? Honestly, now you're just sounding moronic. Yes, of course he wants the money based on his ability to catch the ball-that's the whole point. If the touches were down he would get less money, but they weren't. They were at all all-time highs and he should get paid for it. That's what organization largely do to reward players who have shown to be elite and worked for them.

    Gurley's extension is for when he turns 26, exactly where Bell is now so that's not a valid argument either. You have any other straws to grasp at (of course noting you glanced right past the point about wins/losses)? Just face it, the organization doesn't wanna pay the guy despite him being worth the market value at the position. Bell has absolutely every right to be slighted by that. I'm not even necessarily calling out the Steelers for that, but stop beating around the bush. You're just wrong.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Touches = Carries + Receptions

    Amazingly Bell's 406 season total in 2017 is only the 35th highest in NFL history.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/touches_single_season.htm

  • Touches = Carries + Receptions

    Amazingly Bell's 406 season total in 2017 is only the 35th highest in NFL history.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/touches_single_season.htm

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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    @tour2ma said:

    Touches = Carries + Receptions

    Amazingly Bell's 406 season total in 2017 is only the 35th highest in NFL history.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/touches_single_season.htm

    I'm aware they are the same and I think it's ridiculous that people think he was "run into.the ground" or that the steelers would run him into the ground again. Fact of the matter is the steelers have a bunch of mouthes to feed, not just his and they offered him a huge contract and he shot it down. I don't have a problem with him holding out at all. He's not being paid until he does report BUT did say he was going to report like last year and now he isn't so the offensive line is pissed off. I don't care if he plays another down for the steelers. I also don't want the team to mortgage the farm to pay him what he wants, the market isn't what he's asking. You aren't going to suddenly see a slew of running backs asking for 17m per.

  • Touches = Carries + Receptions

    Amazingly Bell's 406 season total in 2017 is only the 35th highest in NFL history.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/touches_single_season.htm

    chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    Touches = Carries + Receptions

    Amazingly Bell's 406 season total in 2017 is only the 35th highest in NFL history.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/touches_single_season.htm

    Now, that's just in the Superbowl era, right? Stats don't count prior to that...

  • @tour2ma said:

    Touches = Carries + Receptions

    Amazingly Bell's 406 season total in 2017 is only the 35th highest in NFL history.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/touches_single_season.htm

    Now, that's just in the Superbowl era, right? Stats don't count prior to that...

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @choco said:

    Now, that's just in the Superbowl era, right? Stats don't count prior to that...

    Well you pretty much have to be at least 60+ years old to remember the whole super bowl era personally so that is what most matters to most of us.

    I do remember every one! 

  • @choco said:

    Now, that's just in the Superbowl era, right? Stats don't count prior to that...

    Well you pretty much have to be at least 60+ years old to remember the whole super bowl era personally so that is what most matters to most of us.

    I do remember every one! 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @mjp28 said:

    Well you pretty much have to be at least 60+ years old to remember the whole super bowl era personally so that is what most matters to most of us.

    I do remember every one! 

    For now... 😉

  • @choco said:

    Now, that's just in the Superbowl era, right? Stats don't count prior to that...

    Well you pretty much have to be at least 60+ years old to remember the whole super bowl era personally so that is what most matters to most of us.

    I do remember every one! 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @mjp28 said:

    Well you pretty much have to be at least 60+ years old to remember the whole super bowl era personally so that is what most matters to most of us.

    I do remember every one! 

    Not bad!  Compare that to a 65 year old Ghoolie that can't remember what he posted yesterday.

  • @mjp28 said:

    Well you pretty much have to be at least 60+ years old to remember the whole super bowl era personally so that is what most matters to most of us.

    I do remember every one! 

    Not bad!  Compare that to a 65 year old Ghoolie that can't remember what he posted yesterday.

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    Not bad!  Compare that to a 65 year old Ghoolie that can't remember what he posted yesterday.

    Well I'll be 68 this month and still can remember a whole lot......including how to spell and behave like an adult.  😆

  • @flugel said:

    Not bad!  Compare that to a 65 year old Ghoolie that can't remember what he posted yesterday.

    Well I'll be 68 this month and still can remember a whole lot......including how to spell and behave like an adult.  😆

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @mjp28 said:

    still can remember a whole lot......including how to spell and behave like an adult.  😆

    Okay MJ, we'll work on those 2 things.  When you're wife is able to tell someone her oldest kid just turned 68 - we'll know we did our job in here... 

  • @mjp28 said:

    still can remember a whole lot......including how to spell and behave like an adult.  😆

    Okay MJ, we'll work on those 2 things.  When you're wife is able to tell someone her oldest kid just turned 68 - we'll know we did our job in here... 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    Okay MJ, we'll work on those 2 things.  When you're wife is able to tell someone her oldest kid just turned 68 - we'll know we did our job in here... 

    She does call me an idiot at times......unless she needs me to fix her computer. 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    So.... idiot savant?

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Well since we play the steelrz again Halloween week and since Le'Veon Bell is still a football player there....I think I thought this was somewhat interesting from the Pittsburgh TRIB:  https://triblive.com/sports/columnists/timbenz/breakfastwithbenz/14071803-74/did-steelers-leveon-bell-change-comeback-plan-after-teammates-comments

    Do you think negative comments by Steelers players will keep running back Le'Veon Bell away from the team longer than he originally planned?
     
     
    36%
    Yes. His feelings were probably hurt by his teammates' reaction to his absence.
     
     
    37%
    No. He'll come back whenever he feels good and ready.
     
     
    22%
    I'm not sure, but it's going to be an interesting locker room this season.
     
     
    5%
    I don't follow the Steelers.
    Based on 1,387 responses
    GO!
     
    ----->   A better question might be if you offer an NFL player $14.4 million dollar contract as set forth by the NFL CBA is he just a spoiled brat if he just jumps ship right before  GAME 1?  Sticking up for his rights or a brat, just ask his teammates.  😉
  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
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    Free agency isnt free.  Regardless of whether you like or hate lev bell.  The dude is getting jobbed hard. 

    Guy works his contract...busts his arse and looks to get paid in his next contract..

    His team says...um no...we are franchising you..so instead of you making major bank...we get you for a bargain based on league average.

    And they can do this indefinately..

    Nflpa was dumb for allowing it.

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Ahhhhh the life of a young rich pampered professional athlete today from the Pittsburgh TRIB:   https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14069628-74/leveon-bell-spotted-partying-in-miami-as-steelers-prep-for-chiefs

    Le'Veon Bell spotted partying in Miami as Steelers prep for Chiefs

    TRIBUNE-REVIEW | Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2018, 4:24 p.m.

    Updated 20 hours ago

    Le'Veon Bell reportedly pulled an all-nighter this week, but he wasn't studying the Pittsburgh Steelers' playbook.

    Bell, who remains away from the team as the NFL season enters its second week, was hanging out in a Miami nightclub until the wee hours of Tuesday morning,TMZ Sports reported ........

  • chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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    already running the wheels off connor

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    .......TMZ Sports said Bell arrived at Rockwell in Miami's South Beach around midnight and partied at the club for several hours. He was spotted hanging around the DJ booth and taking pictures with clubgoers.

    Bell has remained in Florida, purportedly training for his eventual return to the Steelers, while the NFL season continues without him. Bell was a no-show before the Steelers played at Cleveland on Sunday, and coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday that he has no idea when the running back will rejoin his teammates.

    Bell will lose $855,000 in salary for each week he misses this season. He needs to be on the active roster for six games to accrue a year toward free agency in 2019. Bell is hoping to land a mega-contract next year once he become free to negotiate with other teams........

  • already running the wheels off connor

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @choco said:

    already running the wheels off connor

    I still think Bell is better than almost every RB in the NFL, especially with that OL and the skills of big ben, from that article......

    ....... Le'Veon Bell had a comeback plan. 'Had.'

    Former NFL running back Maurice Jones-Drew says he has spoken to Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell. He revealed on "The Dave Dameshek Football Program" that the two had a conversation before the Week 1 matchup in Cleveland.

    Among the topics discussed, MJD says Bell wasn't happy that his teammates talked about his contract publicly, but he was still rooting for them Sunday in the season-opener against the Browns.

    Jones-Drew also said that Bell is happy for James Conner, but that Bell should feel justified in staying away from the team because of it. His thinking is that if Conner got 31 carries, how many more than that would've been given to Bell?

    More importantly, Jones-Drew said that Bell had a return strategy in place that may have been impacted by his teammates publicly commenting about his contractual status.

    "I don't know when he comes back," Jones-Drew said. "He had a plan. He told me, but I will never say it.

    "I knew. But then I didn't know because all this stuff came out after the players said (what they did about his contract)."

    At one point, Bell was described as "livid" over that development by Jones-Drew. Later on, though, the former Jaguar says Bell rationalized away that emotion by stating his teammates just didn't understand the situation.

    MJD also said Bell is working out every day and staying in shape........

  • mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
    #86

    Ahhhhh the life of a young rich pampered professional athlete today from TMZ......

    http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_pq5qn3w

    ........edit, it looks like it must have been taken down, he's staying in shape all right..... By the way ... this ain't the first time Bell's partied the night away instead of practicing with his teammates -- remember when he slapped all that butt at the booty club during training camp!?