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  • It's become obvious that Collins and Chrissy need a demotion.. They both vanished yesterday...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • Kirksey and Collins have been lackluster all year. Big reason why the run game is gashing the defense is the LB play

    T Tour2maT 2 Replies
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  • Kirksey is pretty quickly becoming a liability. Hes awful in coverage and isn't looking very good in the run either.

    Collins is a stud... when he wants to be. He gives up on plays all of the time and I dont know how William's let's that slide.

    Peppers is the worst player we are giving significant minutes to. Hes not good at anything.

    We should really look at bringing in R. Matthews. He gets open and catches the ball and that's what we need. Callaway should have his reps cut until he figures out how to catch.

    Bottom line we put up 40 points with Baker and we are a young team. Things are going to get better. P.s. I really do think there is a conspiracy against the browns. These refs are ridiculous. You dont see this happening to any other team

  • D domcucch1994

    @tinythinker said:

    Quick add:

    This is what a genuine rebuilding year looks like:

    • Exciting young players demonstrating their potential by actually making plays on the field, not just giving hints of what they might do here and there
    • Keeping it close/staying in it game after game with a genuine chance to win. All those games they "coulda, shoulda" won -- not because a fan wishes it so through rose colored glasses or beer goggles but because it's really true
    • Other teams having to play much better when facing the Browns rather than phoning it in

    Lots of previous seasons over the past many years billed as "rebuilding" were just called that because otherwise is admitting the team just sucks... again.

    Sure fans want more wins faster. Nothing wrong with that. A better kicker to start the season and few calls going the other way could have the Browns anywhere from 4-0 to 2-1-1. Yell at Hue and the coaching staff. Yell at the refs and play review team. Yell at other forum posters. This team has genuine potential. Not a guarantee, not a lock on any number of wins, but real and true potential.

    Can they learn and adjust from what has and hasn't worked so far? What is their realistic cap for improvement this year in terms of gameplay and win-loss record? Who knows. There is always a (slim) chance the team will become self-defeating and be blown up again, but that would be a shame.

    Sick of "rebuilding" we've been doing this rebuilding Sheet since '99...

    Finish the "rebuild" and win some games!!!

    @domcucch1994 said:

    Sick of "rebuilding" we've been doing this rebuilding Sheet since '99...

    Finish the "rebuild" and win some games!!!

    That's why I don't like using the term. It's been over-used as an excuse for delays and failure. When a genuine chance for a rebuild comes along, people react with "not agaaaain..." *groan*. Just looking at the record after four games looks like "same old Browns". I blame no one for feeling that way. Nor will I try talking anyone out of feeling that way. If this indeed is a chance for real rebuild and Hue & company don't blow it, the team will convince the fans themselves on the field over the next twelve games.

  • It's thee old adage.... You can't keep losing and expecting them to keep coming to the same $hit show...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • TypicalBrowns50T TypicalBrowns50

    Kirksey and Collins have been lackluster all year. Big reason why the run game is gashing the defense is the LB play

    @typicalbrowns50 said:

    Kirksey and Collins have been lackluster all year. Big reason why the run game is gashing the defense is the LB play

    They better fix it by the time we play the Broncos. They continually ran two excellent backs all night against KC. They don't have a very good pass blocking line however.

  • TypicalBrowns50T TypicalBrowns50

    Kirksey and Collins have been lackluster all year. Big reason why the run game is gashing the defense is the LB play

    @typicalbrowns50 said:

    Kirksey and Collins have been lackluster all year. Big reason why the run game is gashing the defense is the LB play

    Yup...

    Collins looks.... disinterested? I can't remember stronger onset of "gator-arms" than the INT he shied away from vs. OAK. The ball was his for the reaching.

    Kirk's the real mystery to me. He just seems to have forgotten how to play the position. I don't see him being asked to play differently than he did for Williams last season, but maybe keener eyes can comment.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @typicalbrowns50 said:

    Kirksey and Collins have been lackluster all year. Big reason why the run game is gashing the defense is the LB play

    Yup...

    Collins looks.... disinterested? I can't remember stronger onset of "gator-arms" than the INT he shied away from vs. OAK. The ball was his for the reaching.

    Kirk's the real mystery to me. He just seems to have forgotten how to play the position. I don't see him being asked to play differently than he did for Williams last season, but maybe keener eyes can comment.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yup...

    Collins looks.... disinterested? I can't remember stronger onset of "gator-arms" than the INT he shied away from vs. OAK. The ball was his for the reaching.

    Kirk's the real mystery to me. He just seems to have forgotten how to play the position. I don't see him being asked to play differently than he did for Williams last season, but maybe keener eyes can comment.

    Injuries?Injuries?

  • What's also killing people about this game is for so long we've been "one play away" in so many games, right? Just one play and we win. Well, in the Oakland game, we were a play away from winning. We called the play, executed the run, and we got it done. We finally made the play to win the game, and we did it on offense. FINALLY. 

    But then the reversal came in, and it was much more than just a call. It was the reversal of a win. A reminder of so many losses we incurred because we didn't make the play. They all came flooding back. I can't imagine what that feels like. To celebrate a win and have it taken from you after a replay reversal that nobody has ever seen before. 

  • We had nine dropped passes.

    Nine.

    That's beyond frustrating. Nine drops is utterly pathetic.

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