cowboys vs texans....who watched that?
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some guy named Rashan Gary, that's a DT/SDE type hybrid, is listed at 287, and might be dropping due to a nagging shoulder injury.
so i watched his highlights vs notre dame.....not overly impressed as of right now. He has some pad level issues. And i dont see the dynamic power rush moves i see from a guy like bosa. The guy who's highlights i came across again researching gary, was Hurst. Ouch....we missed on that one. We took some guy (DE) from Fl in the 3rd round that i dont even remember his name coming up in TC. Hurst goes 2 rounds later at 140. Ah well.
Hurst is more toward that LDE type i like. He's a little short at 6'1 but fuk it, if u can take the RT and push him straight back ur limiting the step up and if the qb spills out to the right myles is gonna be in hot pursuit.
so i watched his highlights vs notre dame.....not overly impressed as of right now. He has some pad level issues. And i dont see the dynamic power rush moves i see from a guy like bosa. The guy who's highlights i came across again researching gary, was Hurst. Ouch....we missed on that one. We took some guy (DE) from Fl in the 3rd round that i dont even remember his name coming up in TC. Hurst goes 2 rounds later at 140. Ah well.
Hurst is more toward that LDE type i like. He's a little short at 6'1 but fuk it, if u can take the RT and push him straight back ur limiting the step up and if the qb spills out to the right myles is gonna be in hot pursuit.
Mo played a lot of 3 tech or further inside at Michigan and killed it there. That whole heart issue freaked people out too much. He was a bargain way before the 5th. He's not going to be going up against a tackle much though.
I am not going to pretend Gary has been near as productive as Mo. The only things I'll offer in defense of him is his nagging AC joint injury in his shoulder, that first appeared last year, and kept him out of the last game and a half. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays through it the rest of the year and then gets surgery in the offseason. He's also been dealing with the SCAR Clowney treatment, getting double and triple teamed on plays because our interior pass rush isn't very good (man I miss Mo...)
He'll be big enough to kick inside though. He's also going to kill it at the combine. I mean, I think a lot of DL in this class are going to kill it at the combine, but Gary, based on he numbers we have for him now (that already beat out guys at the combine), is going to go off.
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Oh right, how could I forgot.
Though we'll (hopefully) be picking after that.
I'd take Oliver before any other DL for what we're looking for actually.
Man, the idea of Ogunjobi and Oliver next to each other, with Garrett on the outside is scary.
But I can't see the Browns ending up anywhere near Ed Oliver territory in this draft.
Man, the idea of Ogunjobi and Oliver next to each other, with Garrett on the outside is scary.
But I can't see the Browns ending up anywhere near Ed Oliver territory in this draft.
Our DL would terrorize the NFL for years to come... holy Sheet. Maybe we just trade up for him and go all in?
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Man, the idea of Ogunjobi and Oliver next to each other, with Garrett on the outside is scary.
But I can't see the Browns ending up anywhere near Ed Oliver territory in this draft.
Our DL would terrorize the NFL for years to come... holy Sheet. Maybe we just trade up for him and go all in?
Our DL would terrorize the NFL for years to come... holy Sheet. Maybe we just trade up for him and go all in?
I'd have to see how the Draft shook out. From the sounds of it the Browns could just sit wherever they land and a really good DLineman will fall to them.
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just watched tape of oliver.....holy sheet. Houston uses him primarily as a DT cause #collegegame. He's the prototype 5T/SDE. Ic more wstt than sapp in that guy. Thats my pick if he's there or we can trade up. Bosa cost too much fir a trade up....but maybe we can land him. Fuk his speed is unreal.....his stats have been nerfed playing on the inside...promise. That dude will be fire coming off inbetween guard/tackle or outside tackle
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just watched tape of oliver.....holy sheet. Houston uses him primarily as a DT cause #collegegame. He's the prototype 5T/SDE. Ic more wstt than sapp in that guy. Thats my pick if he's there or we can trade up. Bosa cost too much fir a trade up....but maybe we can land him. Fuk his speed is unreal.....his stats have been nerfed playing on the inside...promise. That dude will be fire coming off inbetween guard/tackle or outside tackle
just watched tape of oliver.....holy sheet. Houston uses him primarily as a DT cause #collegegame. He's the prototype 5T/SDE. Ic more wstt than sapp in that guy. Thats my pick if he's there or we can trade up. Bosa cost too much fir a trade up....but maybe we can land him. Fuk his speed is unreal.....his stats have been nerfed playing on the inside...promise. That dude will be fire coming off inbetween guard/tackle or outside tackle
Oliver and Bosa are going to be rated very similarly. Both near the top.
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just watched tape of oliver.....holy sheet. Houston uses him primarily as a DT cause #collegegame. He's the prototype 5T/SDE. Ic more wstt than sapp in that guy. Thats my pick if he's there or we can trade up. Bosa cost too much fir a trade up....but maybe we can land him. Fuk his speed is unreal.....his stats have been nerfed playing on the inside...promise. That dude will be fire coming off inbetween guard/tackle or outside tackle
Oliver and Bosa are going to be rated very similarly. Both near the top.
Oliver and Bosa are going to be rated very similarly. Both near the top.
Different positions aren’t they ? I thought Oliver was more defensive tackle inside presence where as Bosa was a defensive end/linebacker with pressure from the outside
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bosa will not be a lb'er.
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Oliver and Bosa are going to be rated very similarly. Both near the top.
Different positions aren’t they ? I thought Oliver was more defensive tackle inside presence where as Bosa was a defensive end/linebacker with pressure from the outside
Different positions aren’t they ? I thought Oliver was more defensive tackle inside presence where as Bosa was a defensive end/linebacker with pressure from the outside
Correct. Except the Boss at LB part.
That comment was more around the idea that we couldn't possibly get Bosa but Oliver might fall to us. They're both going near the top and both will have similar costs, IMO
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yup... Texans are the wife's team.
JJ is flashing his old from to be sure, but Clowney has come on very strong and the two of them as books ends (most of the time)??? Fuggetaboudit...
And they are missing a couple of their big folk... e.g., Convington.
Really looking forward to our meeting on Dec 2nd... Ward on Hopkins should be an epic matchup.
Hopkins got me 49 points in FF with that last reception. Now Drew Brees needs to come through with a couple of TD passes tonight for me to take the $40 prize for this week. Don't give it to those damn runners Drew! Throw it to 'em is fine though. LOL!?
Hopkins got me 49 points in FF with that last reception. Now Drew Brees needs to come through with a couple of TD passes tonight for me to take the $40 prize for this week. Don't give it to those damn runners Drew! Throw it to 'em is fine though. LOL!?
Thank you Drew.?
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Different positions aren’t they ? I thought Oliver was more defensive tackle inside presence where as Bosa was a defensive end/linebacker with pressure from the outside
Correct. Except the Boss at LB part.
That comment was more around the idea that we couldn't possibly get Bosa but Oliver might fall to us. They're both going near the top and both will have similar costs, IMO
Correct. Except the Boss at LB part.
That comment was more around the idea that we couldn't possibly get Bosa but Oliver might fall to us. They're both going near the top and both will have similar costs, IMO
Well....the cost is set under the rookie pay scale, and who cares about that except the guy who has to write the check.
The actual "cost" to the Browns would be: if they expect to get either of those guys, they would have to like not win any more games this year. I think that Bosa could lose some ground, some draft positioning due to his injury and being out all year. But would he fall into the middle of the first round? I would doubt that.
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Correct. Except the Boss at LB part.
That comment was more around the idea that we couldn't possibly get Bosa but Oliver might fall to us. They're both going near the top and both will have similar costs, IMO
Well....the cost is set under the rookie pay scale, and who cares about that except the guy who has to write the check.
The actual "cost" to the Browns would be: if they expect to get either of those guys, they would have to like not win any more games this year. I think that Bosa could lose some ground, some draft positioning due to his injury and being out all year. But would he fall into the middle of the first round? I would doubt that.
Well....the cost is set under the rookie pay scale, and who cares about that except the guy who has to write the check.
The actual "cost" to the Browns would be: if they expect to get either of those guys, they would have to like not win any more games this year. I think that Bosa could lose some ground, some draft positioning due to his injury and being out all year. But would he fall into the middle of the first round? I would doubt that.
No, I mean cost as in draft capital. What it would take to move up to get them.
The only way Bosa falls anywhere near the middle of the first is if his injury gets flagged at the combine or something. Even if he doesn't play another snap for OSU he'll be higher than that.
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Well....the cost is set under the rookie pay scale, and who cares about that except the guy who has to write the check.
The actual "cost" to the Browns would be: if they expect to get either of those guys, they would have to like not win any more games this year. I think that Bosa could lose some ground, some draft positioning due to his injury and being out all year. But would he fall into the middle of the first round? I would doubt that.
No, I mean cost as in draft capital. What it would take to move up to get them.
The only way Bosa falls anywhere near the middle of the first is if his injury gets flagged at the combine or something. Even if he doesn't play another snap for OSU he'll be higher than that.
No, I mean cost as in draft capital. What it would take to move up to get them.
The only way Bosa falls anywhere near the middle of the first is if his injury gets flagged at the combine or something. Even if he doesn't play another snap for OSU he'll be higher than that.
OK, I was not thinking in terms of trading up. But I do think that not playing would have to cost him some draft positioning. I mean.....he was considered almost a consensus #1 overall pick. If he drops down to anywhere below that I think his injury will have cost him. If he were to go lower than #3 it would be unquestionable that it did.
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Good news for us is joey won't be playing when we play the chargers. he's out till November. I'd give the chargers Og and our 1st rounder for Joey. Now that we have Myles Joey might reconsider playing for clev. There's rumors he's not terribly happy playing in SD.
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No, I mean cost as in draft capital. What it would take to move up to get them.
The only way Bosa falls anywhere near the middle of the first is if his injury gets flagged at the combine or something. Even if he doesn't play another snap for OSU he'll be higher than that.
OK, I was not thinking in terms of trading up. But I do think that not playing would have to cost him some draft positioning. I mean.....he was considered almost a consensus #1 overall pick. If he drops down to anywhere below that I think his injury will have cost him. If he were to go lower than #3 it would be unquestionable that it did.
OK, I was not thinking in terms of trading up. But I do think that not playing would have to cost him some draft positioning. I mean.....he was considered almost a consensus #1 overall pick. If he drops down to anywhere below that I think his injury will have cost him. If he were to go lower than #3 it would be unquestionable that it did.
No, no it wouldn't. But we've gone over this before so I'll leave it be.
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OK, I was not thinking in terms of trading up. But I do think that not playing would have to cost him some draft positioning. I mean.....he was considered almost a consensus #1 overall pick. If he drops down to anywhere below that I think his injury will have cost him. If he were to go lower than #3 it would be unquestionable that it did.
No, no it wouldn't. But we've gone over this before so I'll leave it be.
No, no it wouldn't. But we've gone over this before so I'll leave it be.
You don't know that. You have no clue how/if it will/would affect his draft positioning.
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I could of also said "all of the guys from Clemson" lol. I'm just most knowledgeable about our guys right now
I'd take Houston's Ed Oliver too.... Aaron Donald Part II...
Nick Bosa's stock could drop if teams worry about re-injury. Not everyday you hear of a player tearing his "core"...
And it may be circumstantial, but Joey's inclination to be injured doesn't help Nick's case.
But on ability? Top three...
I'd take Houston's Ed Oliver too.... Aaron Donald Part II...
Yup... The kid is amazing.
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And Bosa is withdrawing from OSU to focus on the draft
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
And Bosa is withdrawing from OSU to focus on the draft
damn. ah well
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And Bosa is withdrawing from OSU to focus on the draft
I wonder how this will be taken...
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And Bosa is withdrawing from OSU to focus on the draft
I wonder how this will be taken...
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