3-4 defense....
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Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
Don't forget one of the greatest of all time, '86 Bears.
DefenseFS Gary Fencik ⋅ WLB MLB SLB Wilber Marshall Mike Singletary Otis Wilson ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ SS Dave Duerson ⋅ CB Mike Richardson ⋅ DE DT DT DE Richard Dent William "Refrigerator" Perry Steve McMichael Dan Hampton ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ CB Vestee Jackson Reggie Phillips Don't forget one of the greatest of all time, '86 Bears.
DefenseFS Gary Fencik ⋅ WLB MLB SLB Wilber Marshall Mike Singletary Otis Wilson ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ SS Dave Duerson ⋅ CB Mike Richardson ⋅ DE DT DT DE Richard Dent William "Refrigerator" Perry Steve McMichael Dan Hampton ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ CB Vestee Jackson Reggie Phillips Can't talk about the most dominant Defense, the Bears' 46, without mentioning #46, Doug Plank (even tho Duerson was a much better SS) and showing the 46 alignment...
ravens were 3-4 tho right?
4-3 IIRC... Marvin Lewis, a 4-3 guy, was their DC. Ravens went 3-4 a couple years later when Lewis moved to Cinci and Nolan took the DC job in BLT.
But there are plenty of great 3-4 defenses to choose from including: Parcell's '80's Giants, Wade Phillips' 2015 Broncos, Bum's '80 Oilers.
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Worth noting Wade runs a near exclusive 1-gap philosophy that can look like a 43 odd front with a simple shift.
The differences between a 1gap, 2gap or blended gap "34" between each other might be greater than Wade Philips vs Gregg Williams save for the personnel and assignment at OLB.
Edit: the great Steelers defenses in the early to late 2000's were primarily 2 gap fronts IIRC.
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I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
A 30 year old safety coming off of a major injury. Brilliant.
A 30 year old safety coming off of a major injury. Brilliant.
I’d take said safety over what we have had here since 2000
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I’d take said safety over what we have had here since 2000
In his prime you'll find few people that loved Earls game more than myself. Especially since DB is home for me. But it's just not a good get at this point. Mileage, cost, health. If he wasn't hurt I might be all for it. I know the need for a ball hawk centerfielder and the pick we spent on Peppers and not Malik Hooker was near criminal. But all in all the return you'll get on the investment doesn't appear to be there.
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I’d take said safety over what we have had here since 2000
In his prime you'll find few people that loved Earls game more than myself. Especially since DB is home for me. But it's just not a good get at this point. Mileage, cost, health. If he wasn't hurt I might be all for it. I know the need for a ball hawk centerfielder and the pick we spent on Peppers and not Malik Hooker was near criminal. But all in all the return you'll get on the investment doesn't appear to be there.
If he wasn't hurt I might be all for it. I know the need for a ball hawk centerfielder and the pick we spent on Peppers and not Malik Hooker was near criminal. But all in all the return you'll get on the investment doesn't appear to be there.
I like Peppers as a good tackling SS.
Earl was making highlight shoestring INTs this year before he got hurt.
And at 30, he still plays hard. That’s how he broke his leg, flying across the field to break up a pass and kicked his leg full speed. (Coaches should have him tone it down)
He’s just one of those guys I wouldn’t wanna “sleep” on. At least test the waters on a 2 year deal or something.
I get the risk associated and all but he ain’t no slouch, and this defense needs someone like him.
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the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
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the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
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whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
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01 or 11
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whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
2012
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ill be damned they really were a 4-3 in 01.
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the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
McCrary and (former Brown) Rob Burnett...
whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
'06 was Suggs rookie year... and they were a great D, #1 overall points and yards, but still a 4-3 and no Johnson.
You may be thinking of '08 and/or '09.
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2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
McCrary and (former Brown) Rob Burnett...
whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
'06 was Suggs rookie year... and they were a great D, #1 overall points and yards, but still a 4-3 and no Johnson.
You may be thinking of '08 and/or '09.
McCrary and (former Brown) Rob Burnett...
'06 was Suggs rookie year... and they were a great D, #1 overall points and yards, but still a 4-3 and no Johnson.
You may be thinking of '08 and/or '09.
You're thinking of Ngata... suggs was on the team for a few years before that.
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You're thinking of Ngata... suggs was on the team for a few years before that.
yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that, find a good 5 tech and run a 3-4. Myles can easily be ur hybrid u only drop in zone coverage and genard "could" be the other olb'er if he can cover.
The issue is, can either of those two guys tackle in space well enough? its a moot point tho since our DL is full of 1 gappers...
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You're thinking of Ngata... suggs was on the team for a few years before that.
yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that, find a good 5 tech and run a 3-4. Myles can easily be ur hybrid u only drop in zone coverage and genard "could" be the other olb'er if he can cover.
The issue is, can either of those two guys tackle in space well enough? its a moot point tho since our DL is full of 1 gappers...
yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that
I look at that Dline similar to what Minnesota was trying there for a while with the Williams boys in the middle, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards.
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yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that
I look at that Dline similar to what Minnesota was trying there for a while with the Williams boys in the middle, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards.
I look at that Dline similar to what Minnesota was trying there for a while with the Williams boys in the middle, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards.
if we could clone larry, i guess....thise two williams boys were legit. i havent heard jobi's name called in weeks. Where the fuk are the guys we brought in a week before preaeason? Didnt we bring in a giant NT type from NO and also carl davis who is also NT size? we traded danny and meder for 2 identical players with demonstrably less talent.
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Why not? The defense can’t get much worse than it has been.
Don't have the edge defenders. Even then, most teams aren't in their base defense anyway so using terms like 34 and 43 are becoming more and more outdated.
i want us to run a 43 bear front next year. We replace our LDE with a beast like margus hunt, or draft a DL like bosa or oliver. Then we have to address our LB'ing corp. Collins is likely gone. If genard can grasp coverage assignments, he could be a terror blitzing from the olb'er spot....like what mack did his first year in oakland.
You realize just how many fronts you can and will run in any one game, right?
I wouldn't put Avery willingly in a joker role anymore than the next nutcase. He isn't that kind of backer. He's a 2pt rush man that can drop on occasion. Physically he is a James Harrison clone. Mack was moved all over his first year but primarily is and will always been an edge defender/pass rusher. Anything less isn't using his abilities to their potential.
You realize just how many fronts you can and will run in any one game, right?
Exactly; the old 3-4 / 4-3 is an archaic way to look at a defense.
The Patriots play a 4-3, but only about 15% of all snaps occur with 4 lineman.
The only numbers that matter to me on defense are points per game allowed PPG.
The Browns are ranked 28th out of 32 teams, allowing 27.4 PPG.
That is shitty, even for a Greg Williams defense; his defenses are usually in the middle of the pack.
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You realize just how many fronts you can and will run in any one game, right?
Exactly; the old 3-4 / 4-3 is an archaic way to look at a defense.
The Patriots play a 4-3, but only about 15% of all snaps occur with 4 lineman.
The only numbers that matter to me on defense are points per game allowed PPG.
The Browns are ranked 28th out of 32 teams, allowing 27.4 PPG.
That is shitty, even for a Greg Williams defense; his defenses are usually in the middle of the pack.
Exactly; the old 3-4 / 4-3 is an archaic way to look at a defense.
The Patriots play a 4-3, but only about 15% of all snaps occur with 4 lineman.
The only numbers that matter to me on defense are points per game allowed PPG.
The Browns are ranked 28th out of 32 teams, allowing 27.4 PPG.
That is shitty, even for a Greg Williams defense; his defenses are usually in the middle of the pack.
Basically agree points per game for defense are the most important stat and yeah Browns suck there.
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the issue is the scheme should fit the players. This is why defenses in the past sukked such vast amounts of a-ss. The players were being asked to do things they werent built for. Thats a problem. If we went to a 34 and asked ogunjobi to be the NT....he could do it, but as the season wore on he'd break down fairly quickly.
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