Stay at #49 or trade down
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...that's what I see us doing in the draft. Of course if someone that they absolutely love falls, I could see them moving up a few to a handful of spots to secure the guy...but moving up into round 1 from 49 is VERY costly...even WITH Duke thrown in. (check a draft value chart)
We're not missing out on anything by not picking in round 1. OBJ is our 1st round pick. That's a good pick.
Stay Dawggy....stay.
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All depends - a switch of picks, wouldn't cost too much towards the bottom third of the first round...or even the top of the second round. But there is serious talent in the second and third rounds, not the huge drop=off like in other years. I'd say they should stay unless a certain player falls.
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All depends - a switch of picks, wouldn't cost too much towards the bottom third of the first round...or even the top of the second round. But there is serious talent in the second and third rounds, not the huge drop=off like in other years. I'd say they should stay unless a certain player falls.
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The Jets want to trade out of #3, word is they want to recoup the 2nd rounder from last years deal to trade up to #3...
We have a 2nd rounder we could give them but not another first rounder. We could trade our 1st rounder next year, our third and a Duke Johnson for a pick in the teens. Then trade the Jets our 1st and 2nd round picks this year plus a 2nd rounder next year for the #3 overall. Maybe it would take a tweak here or there but we could make it happen.
Here's the reason. The Browns are good at on Offense, no needs here. They are young and just need time. I'm not seeing a need here one way or the other.
On Defense they are pretty solid as well. Again, young and talented. Imagine Bosa opposite Garrett for the long term or a Star LB. It would make the Defense ELITE>
If we consider OBJ our first rounder this year we could put an advance payment on Bosa or another blue chip player. How many guys do we really need in this draft and the next.
Pretty much consider it a bet on ourselves. If we perform like we are all hoping and expecting our first and second rounders next year won't be until late-late picks, think #28 - #32. Maybe we can get one of these early picking teams to sleep on us and consider it the same old Browns and expect a high pick next year. It's a gamble but considering the state of the roster, we need Quality over Quantity for the next couple of seasons.
Go for it.
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Depends on what teams value Duke Johnson. I think the highest we could possibly trade up is Houston but they would have to be willing to give Duke a high 3rd round value. I think a logical trade would be with Green Bay. They give us late 3rd round value for Duke we give them the 49th and 2 5th.
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No team in their right or left mind wants to trade out of the top 10 this draft. Missing Game changing talent is the reason they are picking in the top 10, in the first place. A Prime example of "pushing talent down boards" is taking a look at picks 30 (Sony) thru 37(Braden Smith) last season..How would a top NFL LB in Darius Leonard look in brown & orange right now, with still picking Nick Chubb? Sure, thats easy to say now, but yes Dorsey could miss on a few.. I got my eyes on Oakland ?.Pick #24 or #27. They dumped their player scouts, to discuss trade out options imo..Mayock could call Dorsey's bluff at pick #24? Or working on putting a deal in place at pick #27, pending who's there? Sure the cost is going to suck, b'ut who is there, is what matters to JD.. Myself?, trading up in 2nd & 3rd, values higher, imo..but were not the guys, calling those teams needing talent ahead of us begging them either ? Edit- the wife can't wait to meet up with some phone working friends she's never met in Nashville Friday..Dude's, I might be the lucky guy waiting to rounds 4 or 5 to even see a Cleveland Browns pick ? ? ? ?.....
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No team in their right or left mind wants to trade out of the top 10 this draft. Missing Game changing talent is the reason they are picking in the top 10, in the first place. A Prime example of "pushing talent down boards" is taking a look at picks 30 (Sony) thru 37(Braden Smith) last season..How would a top NFL LB in Darius Leonard look in brown & orange right now, with still picking Nick Chubb? Sure, thats easy to say now, but yes Dorsey could miss on a few.. I got my eyes on Oakland ?.Pick #24 or #27. They dumped their player scouts, to discuss trade out options imo..Mayock could call Dorsey's bluff at pick #24? Or working on putting a deal in place at pick #27, pending who's there? Sure the cost is going to suck, b'ut who is there, is what matters to JD.. Myself?, trading up in 2nd & 3rd, values higher, imo..but were not the guys, calling those teams needing talent ahead of us begging them either ? Edit- the wife can't wait to meet up with some phone working friends she's never met in Nashville Friday..Dude's, I might be the lucky guy waiting to rounds 4 or 5 to even see a Cleveland Browns pick ? ? ? ?.....
(b)ut who is there, is what matters to JD.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
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No team in their right or left mind wants to trade out of the top 10 this draft. Missing Game changing talent is the reason they are picking in the top 10, in the first place. A Prime example of "pushing talent down boards" is taking a look at picks 30 (Sony) thru 37(Braden Smith) last season..How would a top NFL LB in Darius Leonard look in brown & orange right now, with still picking Nick Chubb? Sure, thats easy to say now, but yes Dorsey could miss on a few.. I got my eyes on Oakland ?.Pick #24 or #27. They dumped their player scouts, to discuss trade out options imo..Mayock could call Dorsey's bluff at pick #24? Or working on putting a deal in place at pick #27, pending who's there? Sure the cost is going to suck, b'ut who is there, is what matters to JD.. Myself?, trading up in 2nd & 3rd, values higher, imo..but were not the guys, calling those teams needing talent ahead of us begging them either ? Edit- the wife can't wait to meet up with some phone working friends she's never met in Nashville Friday..Dude's, I might be the lucky guy waiting to rounds 4 or 5 to even see a Cleveland Browns pick ? ? ? ?.....
No team in their right or left mind wants to trade out of the top 10 this draft. Missing Game changing talent is the reason they are picking in the top 10, in the first place.
Well said - but those first 2 sentences remind us there's always teams like Cleveland used to be up in that top 10 just waiting to screw up whether they keep the pick to go Flunkin with Mike Junkin or trade back for whatever Rent-A-Wrecks we landed.
As much as the additions of Vernon and Richardson pump me up - I still think our defense is 1 game changing talent away from being something for opponents to fear. It wasn't that long ago the Ratbirds ran a half marathon with the football on our defense; so we need more than just 2 new starters especially considering how frequently we need to replace injured starters at LB and CB. I know Devin White gets all the love at LB; but there's another LBer named Devin from Missedagain that really plays the pass well. The good part of that is I don't think we'd have to trade up quite as high for him as we would for White. I'm going to share highlights of his soph season in 2017 just to showcase the type of instincts he's born with (aside from his elite combine 40 only 1 hundredth of a second off Devin White's). Dorsey doesn't have to go Mike Ditka and spend the rest of our draft golfing to make this trade IMO. That said, I think it would be worth sending Duke and 2-3 picks elsewhere to make this happen.
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There should be a very valuable player in the middle of the second round. I wouldn't fuckaround trading down unless we are going to gamble on a Callaway, the super Talent with some off-the-field problems.
WSS
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(b)ut who is there, is what matters to JD.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
A)Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
B)There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
C)Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
D)Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
A) the last few drafts, The Harvard chart seems more likely to be in favor. B.) Agreed..Than i'd agree with dorsey on 1st rd talent left at pick #17..Them some big words till outcome. Bogus if JD goes back up in 1st? stay tuned.. C) Call this crazy..But I see Ryan Finley growing into best QB value this class. And the Patriots will be the team to know better in round 2 or 3.. D) Happens every draft & mostly to high picked Wide Outs..Color me in, as DK Metcalf being that pick. Got Gordo explosion off line, not much after..
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(b)ut who is there, is what matters to JD.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
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That's what's great about having some of the best talent evaluators in our FO.. If we are targeting the right position & Simmons?..Does the trade up ammo used to get to Simmons out last passing on Tillery/Dre'Mont Jones/D.Lawrence or Trysten Hill that very well maybe sitting at #49 or #80? not giving up a thing..a falling LB would grab my attention passing Pitt or Bengals..
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(b)ut who is there, is what matters to JD.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
QBs will always be somewhat "overdrafted in this day and age.
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(b)ut who is there, is what matters to JD.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
There ya go, and Dorsey will certainly be looking at those who drop.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Mike
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Ed Zachery.... Trade charts are guides not absolutes. The value of the talent moves the chart values.
You mention Top Ten talent...
- There are at least 15 positional players in the 2019 Draft worthy of going in the top ten.
- Add that I see only one QB whose potential has earned the right to be in that mix, yet as may as three may go that high.
- Throw in a "WTF?" pick no one, other than the picking team, saw going that high.
And suddenly the 2nd ten are flooded with 8 (or more) "top ten" prospects... and the cascading doesn't stop there.
There ya go, and Dorsey will certainly be looking at those who drop.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Mike
There ya go, and Dorsey will certainly be looking at those who drop.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Mike
If I'm Dorsey with White still on the board and the next team up gives me a call, I have an initial offer and a backup already packaged and tailored to that team's needs.
EDIT: And I agree we got our #1 this year already, so I'm ready to trade off next year's to get White now as part of the deal. Just consider it an early Xmas present under the tree.
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Stay at 49 or move up if the right player / value exists. This team is not in need of collecting lower round draft capitol with a trade down.
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Stay at 49 or move up if the right player / value exists. This team is not in need of collecting lower round draft capitol with a trade down.
Stay at 49 or move up if the right player / value exists. This team is not in need of collecting lower round draft capitol with a trade down.
...unless, as the draft unfolds, your board is telling you that the players available at 49 aren't much better than those you've got rated in the 60's.
I DO trust JD.....but I just think it's time for the drunken sailor to sober up.
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There ya go, and Dorsey will certainly be looking at those who drop.
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Mike
If I'm Dorsey with White still on the board and the next team up gives me a call, I have an initial offer and a backup already packaged and tailored to that team's needs.
EDIT: And I agree we got our #1 this year already, so I'm ready to trade off next year's to get White now as part of the deal. Just consider it an early Xmas present under the tree.
I have an initial offer and a backup already packaged and tailored to that team's needs.
so I'm ready to trade off next year's to get White now as part of the deal. Just consider it an early Xmas present under the tree.
No debbie downer here, cus White sits on top my board too.1)from what i count, 9 of the top 20 picks have a LB need, starting with Oak/TB at #4/5. 2) It may take a Xmas miracle to get White past 10.Den. 11.Cinn. & 12.GB /yikes imo!.Some help would be if 3 QB's go in top 10 ? 3) Miami would gladly take our 1st round pick next year, loading up at QB crop next season. Sadly Miami sits at #13 tough. 4) The only dirt path left that i see for White, is the Lions sitting at #8 ahead of White's top suitors. For the same QB, load up reasons next draft.Issue is, Matt Patricia may pack his bags, after Day 1 of draft...Come on Detroit---Hear Me Roar!! ?
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