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  • @skippinturtles said:

     Nelson easily over Ward and maybe Mayfield.  He was projected to dominate and had tape to back it up.  Am I wrong?

    your kinda playing cherry picking fantasy football., but we never had a Andrew Luck to protect... before the 2018 draft, your 3 QB's are Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton & Kevin Hogan..your starting G's=Bitonio & Ziedler.. your starting CB's are..BBC/ Jamar Taylor & Terrance Mitchell... Q..Nelson, yes a great player..but surely not the right fit at right time..

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    @gumby73 said:

    your kinda playing cherry picking fantasy football., but we never had a Andrew Luck to protect... before the 2018 draft, your 3 QB's are Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton & Kevin Hogan..your starting G's=Bitonio & Ziedler.. your starting CB's are..BBC/ Jamar Taylor & Terrance Mitchell... Q..Nelson, yes a great player..but surely not the right fit at right time..

    Nelson is and was the right player for every era.  He just dominates all day, every play.

  • @gumby73 said:

    your kinda playing cherry picking fantasy football., but we never had a Andrew Luck to protect... before the 2018 draft, your 3 QB's are Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton & Kevin Hogan..your starting G's=Bitonio & Ziedler.. your starting CB's are..BBC/ Jamar Taylor & Terrance Mitchell... Q..Nelson, yes a great player..but surely not the right fit at right time..

    Nelson is and was the right player for every era.  He just dominates all day, every play.

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    @skippinturtles said:

    Nelson just dominates all day, every play.

    7LbU.gif   ok, Gumby surrenders..Skippin Turtles?just won the internet..Jim Ersay will ship this Turtle a Nelson jersey   

  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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    The flag should have a #56 on it and that green turd reps the rest of the league.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    This, of course, survives on the notion that Nelson would somehow as an individual player earn this team more wins than it currently has on his own merit.

    Which simply isn't true despite his outstanding play on the field.    

  • CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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    This is troll bait, not even worth this comment GGs

  • This is troll bait, not even worth this comment GGs

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    This is troll bait, not even worth this comment GGs

    I presented a legit conversation.  Baker and Denzel could both go to the HOF.  What do I know?

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    This is troll bait, not even worth this comment GGs

    I presented a legit conversation.  Baker and Denzel could both go to the HOF.  What do I know?

    Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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    @skippinturtles said:

    What do I know?

    Obviously you know that any team that employs Nelson is an automatic Super Bowl contender.

  • This, of course, survives on the notion that Nelson would somehow as an individual player earn this team more wins than it currently has on his own merit.

    Which simply isn't true despite his outstanding play on the field.    

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    This, of course, survives on the notion that Nelson would somehow as an individual player earn this team more wins than it currently has on his own merit.

    Which simply isn't true despite his outstanding play on the field.    

    Yeah, tia. We can use the Ghoolie arguement  here. Joe Thomas is  going to  the HOF, and how much  did that help the Browns? 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    This, of course, survives on the notion that Nelson would somehow as an individual player earn this team more wins than it currently has on his own merit.

    Which simply isn't true despite his outstanding play on the field.    

    Yeah, tia. We can use the Ghoolie arguement  here. Joe Thomas is  going to  the HOF, and how much  did that help the Browns? 

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    Yeah, tia. We can use the Ghoolie arguement  here. Joe Thomas is  going to  the HOF, and how much  did that help the Browns? 

    The Ghoolie argument is a different context.  Ghoolie basically saying lineman were worthless. This is an outright player to player comparison being Baker vs Nelson.   Which is a story too early to settle.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    This, of course, survives on the notion that Nelson would somehow as an individual player earn this team more wins than it currently has on his own merit.

    Which simply isn't true despite his outstanding play on the field.    

    Yeah, tia. We can use the Ghoolie arguement  here. Joe Thomas is  going to  the HOF, and how much  did that help the Browns? 

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by SkippinTurtles
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    @hoorta said:

    Yeah, tia. We can use the Ghoolie arguement  here. Joe Thomas is  going to  the HOF, and how much  did that help the Browns? 

    Joe Thomas was the best ever at protecting terrible QB's.  Props.  Nelson can do that and completely dominate in the run game.  Dominate.  Nelson is the heartbeat of their offense.  Thomas is HOF, but Nelson seems like a throwback.  He punishes people to the whistle.  Character guy, too.  Thomas never missed a snap because he was basically a Wal-Mart greeter.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    See if I get this right???

    At the time we had Bito and Zeitler, no QB and weak CBs, we should have taken Nelson?

  • See if I get this right???

    At the time we had Bito and Zeitler, no QB and weak CBs, we should have taken Nelson?

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    See if I get this right???

    At the time we had Bito and Zeitler, no QB and weak CBs, we should have taken Nelson?

    Nelson is a generational talent.  Just watch the way he run blocks.  He was the exception to rule in terms of drafting OL.  A guard that can transform an offense.  It doesn't happen until him.  Would Baker take him over skinny D.Ward.  Who knows?

  • @tour2ma said:

    See if I get this right???

    At the time we had Bito and Zeitler, no QB and weak CBs, we should have taken Nelson?

    Nelson is a generational talent.  Just watch the way he run blocks.  He was the exception to rule in terms of drafting OL.  A guard that can transform an offense.  It doesn't happen until him.  Would Baker take him over skinny D.Ward.  Who knows?

    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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    @skippinturtles said:

    Nelson is a generational talent.  Just watch the way he run blocks.  He was the exception to rule in terms of drafting OL.  A guard that can transform an offense.  It doesn't happen until him.  Would Baker take him over skinny D.Ward.  Who knows?

    Hindsight is 20/20 lots of “generational” talents have been passed on. 
    Ward is great and this thread is pointless 

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    Just lock the thread and be done with it.   

  • @skippinturtles said:

    Nelson is a generational talent.  Just watch the way he run blocks.  He was the exception to rule in terms of drafting OL.  A guard that can transform an offense.  It doesn't happen until him.  Would Baker take him over skinny D.Ward.  Who knows?

    Hindsight is 20/20 lots of “generational” talents have been passed on. 
    Ward is great and this thread is pointless 

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by SkippinTurtles
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    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Hindsight is 20/20 lots of “generational” talents have been passed on. 
    Ward is great and this thread is pointless 

    Most threads are pointless.  Healthy Ward is great.  Nelson should be elite for 12-15 years.  Ward at age 30 at his size might be finished.

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Hindsight is 20/20 lots of “generational” talents have been passed on. 
    Ward is great and this thread is pointless 

    Most threads are pointless.  Healthy Ward is great.  Nelson should be elite for 12-15 years.  Ward at age 30 at his size might be finished.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @skippinturtles said:

    Most threads are pointless.  Healthy Ward is great.  Nelson should be elite for 12-15 years.  Ward at age 30 at his size might be finished.

    OK, well....Trivia Question:  How many offensive Guards have been taken with the overall #1 pick in the draft since the drafts inception in 1936?

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Hindsight is 20/20 lots of “generational” talents have been passed on. 
    Ward is great and this thread is pointless 

    Most threads are pointless.  Healthy Ward is great.  Nelson should be elite for 12-15 years.  Ward at age 30 at his size might be finished.

    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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    @skippinturtles said:

    Most threads are pointless.  Healthy Ward is great.  Nelson should be elite for 12-15 years.  Ward at age 30 at his size might be finished.

    Gee I didn’t realize Ward was gonna stay the same size his whole career 

  • @the-gipper said:

    What is your point?  Nelson is a great player.  The Colts certainly are not going to be giving him up.

    Just bringing up a debate.  Nelson or Mayfield.  Maybe it's obvious Mayfield.  I think Nelson transforms the culture of the franchise like he did the Colts.  They went from worst to first in pass-protection in one year. They run at will. Nelson is a major player in the NFL.  Denzel Ward was always undersized.  Nelson easily over Ward and maybe Mayfield.  He was projected to dominate and had tape to back it up.  Am I wrong?

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @skippinturtles said:

    Just bringing up a debate.  Nelson or Mayfield.  Maybe it's obvious Mayfield.  I think Nelson transforms the culture of the franchise like he did the Colts.  They went from worst to first in pass-protection in one year. They run at will. Nelson is a major player in the NFL.  Denzel Ward was always undersized.  Nelson easily over Ward and maybe Mayfield.  He was projected to dominate and had tape to back it up.  Am I wrong?

    What debate?  I don't remember you announcing you wanted Quentin Nelson at #1 overall or #4 overall until this bout of hindsight 20/20.

    LT is even more important than LG in this era; and Joe Thomas played in how many Playoff Games because of our QB position?

    When I think of where we need to upgrade on our Offensive Line - I don't begin with LG Joel Bitonio. 

    Our defense was also pretty talent deprived at covering people in the back end before Denzel Ward was selected at #4.   FWIW, his blocked FG against the Rats was the difference between winning and losing to the Rats.  

    Sometimes you have to wait longer than a guy's first 22 regular season games before you make conclusions about his career.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    There've been maybe two "generational" OGs in the modern era... Steve Hutchinson and John Hannah... plus a handphul oph runnerups...

    Nelson may well be a 3rd, but he has a ffffffffffffew more years of excelling to go.

    Welcome back "f" key...

  • There've been maybe two "generational" OGs in the modern era... Steve Hutchinson and John Hannah... plus a handphul oph runnerups...

    Nelson may well be a 3rd, but he has a ffffffffffffew more years of excelling to go.

    Welcome back "f" key...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    There've been maybe two "generational" OGs in the modern era... Steve Hutchinson and John Hannah... plus a handphul oph runnerups...

    Nelson may well be a 3rd, but he has a ffffffffffffew more years of excelling to go.

    Welcome back "f" key...

    There was another Notre Dame OG that has gotten as much praise as Nelso:   Zach Martin.