The Truth about Myles/Rudolph
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No, it doesn't....not one damned bit......because you have the fact pattern all wrong. Whatever was said by Rudolph was said while the two of them were on the ground wrestling. It was what Rudolph said, along with him trying to wrench Garrett's helmet off that infuriated him....causing him to then drag Rudolph by the helmet.
We're not sure what he was called, but I've heard rumors it was the b word (boy).
Regardless of what was said, Rudolph looked weak in his response and guilty.
We're not sure what he was called, but I've heard rumors it was the b word (boy).
Regardless of what was said, Rudolph looked weak in his response and guilty.
As i said in the Tavern Sunday.... Rudolph played vs Cinci like he had a guilty conscience.
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Nice Freudian slip there Mason..."It's totally tru...UNTRUE"
Brooke Pryor@bepryorMason Rudolph on Myles Garrett’s accusation he used a racial slur in the Cleveland fight:
“It’s totally untrue. I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe he would go that route after the fact.”Nice Freudian slip there Mason..."It's totally tru...UNTRUE"
Welcome Back to Steeler Week Mason!!
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say, go look at the ratbuzzards' Mark Ingram, running back - they are playing the rams right now. Look at his dark visor. On a night game.
Remember when OBJ was instructed to leave the field during a scoring drive, to put on a clear visor?
Does anybody think Ingram will have to also leave the field and put on a clear visor?
stay tuned. I don't think so.
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say, go look at the ratbuzzards' Mark Ingram, running back - they are playing the rams right now. Look at his dark visor. On a night game.
Remember when OBJ was instructed to leave the field during a scoring drive, to put on a clear visor?
Does anybody think Ingram will have to also leave the field and put on a clear visor?
stay tuned. I don't think so.
Does anybody think Ingram will have to also leave the field and put on a clear visor?
stay tuned. I don't think so.
in August of this year, the nfl changed their visor rules when Oakley paid them as a sponsor.. Oakley can only be worn in NFL.money talks. ObJ's was reported as not Oakley
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Does anybody think Ingram will have to also leave the field and put on a clear visor?
stay tuned. I don't think so.
in August of this year, the nfl changed their visor rules when Oakley paid them as a sponsor.. Oakley can only be worn in NFL.money talks. ObJ's was reported as not Oakley
in August of this year, the nfl changed their visor rules when Oakley paid them as a sponsor.. Oakley can only be worn in NFL.money talks. ObJ's was reported as not Oakley
Way to fuck up another Kal perceived slight...
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No, it doesn't....not one damned bit......because you have the fact pattern all wrong. Whatever was said by Rudolph was said while the two of them were on the ground wrestling. It was what Rudolph said, along with him trying to wrench Garrett's helmet off that infuriated him....causing him to then drag Rudolph by the helmet.
You are basing this totally on what Myles said happened. As of right now, there is no proof that Rudolph said anything.
You are basing this totally on what Myles said happened. As of right now, there is no proof that Rudolph said anything.
There is no proof that he didn’t say anything either. And have you paid any mind whatsoever To the legal principles that I have outlined on here which lend credibility to the fact that he did say something.
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Does anybody think Ingram will have to also leave the field and put on a clear visor?
stay tuned. I don't think so.
in August of this year, the nfl changed their visor rules when Oakley paid them as a sponsor.. Oakley can only be worn in NFL.money talks. ObJ's was reported as not Oakley
in August of this year, the nfl changed their visor rules when Oakley paid them as a sponsor.. Oakley can only be worn in NFL.money talks. ObJ's was reported as not Oakley
ah. so THAT explains that. The announcers on TV apparently didn't know it either - they said it was a rule that it cannot be shaded darkly or something like that.
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Anyone see the color of the guy that snapped the ball to Rudolph? Seems REALLY strange that very same guy would fight for the guy that just used such a hateful word against his race. It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out.
Pouncey wasn't anywhere near the two until the helmet swing. There's no guarantee he heard it. As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
Riley Cooper was at a concert nowhere near ANY of his teammates, when he lost his composure and shouted the racial slur. What he didn't know was someone was video-taping every second of it. Not a good argument by you at all.
This is an alleged slur that nobody has attached their name to; because a Qb that totally lost his composure gained it for a split second to whisper his comment? Meatball on spaghetti here is Riley Cooper helped him to remember composure is just needed for a tenth of a second this time around?
Not buying it man! Like I said, Rudolph did enough to be punished in that video.
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Trash Talk happens every second of the game. The more outrageous the more chance that your opponent will freak out. I think Tomlin teaches his team that knowing that the person that responds gets the flag. Simple as that. Insulting somebody's mother, girlfriend, wife, sexuality, religion or even race might piss you off.
My guess would be Rudolph actually said something but for no other reason then to draw the response. Myles shouldn't have taken the bait.
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As far as his wrs rbs ol do you not remember riley cooper of the eagles. The white wide receiver. All his receiver running mates were black. He was caught on tape at a country concert repeatedly saying a racial slur.
Riley Cooper was at a concert nowhere near ANY of his teammates, when he lost his composure and shouted the racial slur. What he didn't know was someone was video-taping every second of it. Not a good argument by you at all.
This is an alleged slur that nobody has attached their name to; because a Qb that totally lost his composure gained it for a split second to whisper his comment? Meatball on spaghetti here is Riley Cooper helped him to remember composure is just needed for a tenth of a second this time around?
Not buying it man! Like I said, Rudolph did enough to be punished in that video.
Riley Cooper was at a concert nowhere near ANY of his teammates, when he lost his composure and shouted the racial slur. What he didn't know was someone was video-taping every second of it. Not a good argument by you at all.
This is an alleged slur that nobody has attached their name to; because a Qb that totally lost his composure gained it for a split second to whisper his comment? Meatball on spaghetti here is Riley Cooper helped him to remember composure is just needed for a tenth of a second this time around?
Not buying it man! Like I said, Rudolph did enough to be punished in that video.
Then I mistook your reasoning. "It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out." That seemed to me your argument was his lineman running backs and wide receivers are African American so he wouldn't use the term because you didn't mention anything about being near him in that particular section. Which is why I brought up riley cooper. My mistake for not understanding what you meant.
Why do you assume he whispered it? Again they were face to face in a stadium full of people during a play . It wouldn't have had to have been a whisper. He could have been just speaking at a regular volume. Just because he lost his composure (if its not just his true beliefs) doesn't mean he has to be yelling it. I get that it makes your argument stronger but no where does anyone suggest he whispered it to him. You just assume that because "pouncey wouldn't have defended him had he heard it" which I already said he could have been screaming it and pouncey wouldn't have heard as he was down field blocking on a screen play.
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in August of this year, the nfl changed their visor rules when Oakley paid them as a sponsor.. Oakley can only be worn in NFL.money talks. ObJ's was reported as not Oakley
ah. so THAT explains that. The announcers on TV apparently didn't know it either - they said it was a rule that it cannot be shaded darkly or something like that.
ah. so THAT explains that. The announcers on TV apparently didn't know it either - they said it was a rule that it cannot be shaded darkly or something like that.
The head of officials dean blandino said that was the reasoning for it. Because they needed to be able to easily evaluated for a concussion.
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Well, Mark Ingram's visor looked very, very dark to to me. I don't know if he ever had to change it...that game was unwatchable, because the rams were worse than bad.
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Why anyone with a good Aryan name like Rudolph would ever be accused of using a racial slur is beyond me...
Meanwhile this is just out and seems more than plausible... https://www.foxnews.com/sports/myles-garrett-racial-slur-allegation-known-browns-report
FOX Sports NFL insider Jay Glazer attempted Sunday to clarify why Garrett made the accusation at the hearing instead of going public with it after their Week 11 game when he was talking to the media.
Glazer reported that Garrett told Browns personnel that Rudolph had allegedly used a racial slur against him but ultimately he thought the allegation would have been confidential at the appeals hearing.
“I got the sense that he wasn’t going to, that he didn’t want it out publicly because it would be bad for the league,” Glazer said during FOX’s NFL pregame show. “He just thought it was going to be confidential inside that appeals process.”
Garrett chose not to comment after the game after he was asked whether there was anything that was said to set him off. After the NFL upheld his suspension, Garrett said he knew what he heard.
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Riley Cooper was at a concert nowhere near ANY of his teammates, when he lost his composure and shouted the racial slur. What he didn't know was someone was video-taping every second of it. Not a good argument by you at all.
This is an alleged slur that nobody has attached their name to; because a Qb that totally lost his composure gained it for a split second to whisper his comment? Meatball on spaghetti here is Riley Cooper helped him to remember composure is just needed for a tenth of a second this time around?
Not buying it man! Like I said, Rudolph did enough to be punished in that video.
Then I mistook your reasoning. "It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out." That seemed to me your argument was his lineman running backs and wide receivers are African American so he wouldn't use the term because you didn't mention anything about being near him in that particular section. Which is why I brought up riley cooper. My mistake for not understanding what you meant.
Why do you assume he whispered it? Again they were face to face in a stadium full of people during a play . It wouldn't have had to have been a whisper. He could have been just speaking at a regular volume. Just because he lost his composure (if its not just his true beliefs) doesn't mean he has to be yelling it. I get that it makes your argument stronger but no where does anyone suggest he whispered it to him. You just assume that because "pouncey wouldn't have defended him had he heard it" which I already said he could have been screaming it and pouncey wouldn't have heard as he was down field blocking on a screen play.
Then I mistook your reasoning. "It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out." That seemed to me your argument was his lineman running backs and wide receivers are African American so he wouldn't use the term because you didn't mention anything about being near him in that particular section. Which is why I brought up riley cooper. My mistake for not understanding what you meant.
Why do you assume he whispered it? Again they were face to face in a stadium full of people during a play . It wouldn't have had to have been a whisper. He could have been just speaking at a regular volume. Just because he lost his composure (if its not just his true beliefs) doesn't mean he has to be yelling it. I get that it makes your argument stronger but no where does anyone suggest he whispered it to him. You just assume that because "pouncey wouldn't have defended him had he heard it" which I already said he could have been screaming it and pouncey wouldn't have heard as he was down field blocking on a screen play.
No worries. The whisper was sarcastic ball busting.
Pouncey plays right next to DeCastro who wasn't downfield on a pass that never made it past the line of scrimmage. You make it sound like Pouncey was more than 10 yards downfield, which he wasn't. He was close enough to be 1 of 2 teammates that saw and heard what was escalating to the extent he high tailed it there long before Garrett's 1st teammate (Ogunjobi) arrived after all damages were done... If you've played, you know you can hear stuff and especially escalating tempers after the play is dead. No rocket science necessary.
Aside from that, the best way for the NFL to get an unbiased take on what was said between Garrett and Rudolph - the Referee in charge of QB safety who also positions himself nearby to the extent he could hear the exchange between Garrett and Rudolph didn't say "yeah I heard the Code Red." Not that speculation has gotten either one of us anywhere in this debate, I'm guessing the Referee/Officials is where the investigation began and ended.
It all adds up to you but I can't get it to add up for me. I thought Garrett had enough reasons to be pissed as depicted in the video without adding in the racial slur. Could I be wrong? Absolutely; and it certainly wouldn't be the first time. Let's move on rather than recycling the same argument.
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Trash Talk happens every second of the game. The more outrageous the more chance that your opponent will freak out. I think Tomlin teaches his team that knowing that the person that responds gets the flag. Simple as that. Insulting somebody's mother, girlfriend, wife, sexuality, religion or even race might piss you off.
My guess would be Rudolph actually said something but for no other reason then to draw the response. Myles shouldn't have taken the bait.
WSS
Trash Talk happens every second of the game. The more outrageous the more chance that your opponent will freak out. I think Tomlin teaches his team that knowing that the person that responds gets the flag. Simple as that. Insulting somebody's mother, girlfriend, wife, sexuality, religion or even race might piss you off.
My guess would be Rudolph actually said something but for no other reason then to draw the response. Myles shouldn't have taken the bait.
WSS
Exactly. Pittsburgh has always been a dirty team using cheap tactics and exploiting rules. KNOW YOUR OPPONENT. A well coached team would know this. But the NFL is losing me with the inconsistency. Five games for a man that stomped on another player's face resulting in stitches, but swinging a helmet is a big no-no for Garrett with an indefinite suspension and huge fine. Not to mention all the money he is losing from game checks. Not a good look for the league. Also sounds like he got railroaded.
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Trash Talk happens every second of the game. The more outrageous the more chance that your opponent will freak out. I think Tomlin teaches his team that knowing that the person that responds gets the flag. Simple as that. Insulting somebody's mother, girlfriend, wife, sexuality, religion or even race might piss you off.
My guess would be Rudolph actually said something but for no other reason then to draw the response. Myles shouldn't have taken the bait.
WSS
Exactly. Pittsburgh has always been a dirty team using cheap tactics and exploiting rules. KNOW YOUR OPPONENT. A well coached team would know this. But the NFL is losing me with the inconsistency. Five games for a man that stomped on another player's face resulting in stitches, but swinging a helmet is a big no-no for Garrett with an indefinite suspension and huge fine. Not to mention all the money he is losing from game checks. Not a good look for the league. Also sounds like he got railroaded.
Exactly. Pittsburgh has always been a dirty team using cheap tactics and exploiting rules. KNOW YOUR OPPONENT. A well coached team would know this. But the NFL is losing me with the inconsistency. Five games for a man that stomped on another player's face resulting in stitches, but swinging a helmet is a big no-no for Garrett with an indefinite suspension and huge fine. Not to mention all the money he is losing from game checks. Not a good look for the league. Also sounds like he got railroaded.
Wait....do we have 2 people named NEO on this board?
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Then I mistook your reasoning. "It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out." That seemed to me your argument was his lineman running backs and wide receivers are African American so he wouldn't use the term because you didn't mention anything about being near him in that particular section. Which is why I brought up riley cooper. My mistake for not understanding what you meant.
Why do you assume he whispered it? Again they were face to face in a stadium full of people during a play . It wouldn't have had to have been a whisper. He could have been just speaking at a regular volume. Just because he lost his composure (if its not just his true beliefs) doesn't mean he has to be yelling it. I get that it makes your argument stronger but no where does anyone suggest he whispered it to him. You just assume that because "pouncey wouldn't have defended him had he heard it" which I already said he could have been screaming it and pouncey wouldn't have heard as he was down field blocking on a screen play.
No worries. The whisper was sarcastic ball busting.
Pouncey plays right next to DeCastro who wasn't downfield on a pass that never made it past the line of scrimmage. You make it sound like Pouncey was more than 10 yards downfield, which he wasn't. He was close enough to be 1 of 2 teammates that saw and heard what was escalating to the extent he high tailed it there long before Garrett's 1st teammate (Ogunjobi) arrived after all damages were done... If you've played, you know you can hear stuff and especially escalating tempers after the play is dead. No rocket science necessary.
Aside from that, the best way for the NFL to get an unbiased take on what was said between Garrett and Rudolph - the Referee in charge of QB safety who also positions himself nearby to the extent he could hear the exchange between Garrett and Rudolph didn't say "yeah I heard the Code Red." Not that speculation has gotten either one of us anywhere in this debate, I'm guessing the Referee/Officials is where the investigation began and ended.
It all adds up to you but I can't get it to add up for me. I thought Garrett had enough reasons to be pissed as depicted in the video without adding in the racial slur. Could I be wrong? Absolutely; and it certainly wouldn't be the first time. Let's move on rather than recycling the same argument.
Pouncey plays right next to DeCastro who wasn't downfield on a pass that never made it past the line of scrimmage. You make it sound like Pouncey was more than 10 yards downfield, which he wasn't. He was close enough to be 1 of 2 teammates that saw and heard what was escalating to the extent he high tailed it there long before Garrett's 1st teammate (Ogunjobi) arrived after all damages were done... If you've played, you know you can hear stuff and especially escalating tempers after the play is dead. No rocket science necessary.
The pass didn't make it past the line of scrimmage but the receiver did. It was like an 8 yard gain. It was a screen. There's usually 2 or 3 that release and block down field and two that stay at the line on most screens. The lineman that release always vary sometimes its tackle guard center sometimes center guard guard sometimes center tackle. Actually often times against a 4-3 the center typically releases on screens because they don't have a helmet on top of them. Just because decastro was standing there doesn't mean pouncey was too.
I just rewatched the play. Pouncey was very close to ten yards away from where they hit the ground. The second picture shows him at the 17 yard line locked up with Ogunjobi and Garrett and Rudolph go down to the ground at 7.5 yard line. He never even realized what was happening behind him until the moment in my 2nd screenshot (you can see the 3 of his jersey on the right side of the screen). Garrett already has his helmet in hand at this point and only a couple frames from ripping it off. Pouncey is a frame or two away from starting to move back towards them still at the 17 yard line at this point.
One reason I believe something else other than physical action happened is because Myles kept his cool when he got punched in the face by a fan asking for a picture. Somehow though Rudolph trying to rip his helmet off sent him over the edge. That doesn't add up to me.
Yes we can agree to disagree. It's very possible im wrong and Myles made it up but I just dont see him as the type to do that. Thanks for being civil
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