Paul Finebaum: Kitchens is the worst hire in history
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While I certainly wouldn't call Freddie the worst HC hire in history - heck, not even in just Browns' history..... looking at you Shurmur and Huey. I do think he lives in the same housing tract as those two.
I reserve the right to change my opinion, and if he wears another kool shirt and if the men under his control do more stupid shit, then I'll bump him up to their illustrious levels of ineptitude.
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Now....this is hearsay, truly.....so take it for what it is:
Tony Rizzo, this morning on the radio, said that he watched a show on ESPN on which Paul Finebaum was commenting.
Now, understand this: Finebaum is from Alabama or thereabouts, and he had covered Kitchens in high school and in college in Alabama (and has been a Kitchens supporter) but yesterday on his broadcast he apparently stated that the hiring of Freddie Kitchens by the Browns is the worst HC hiring in history. His words (via Rizzo). He also blamed the Haslam's for intervening, though Finebaum made no mention apparently that it was John Dorsey who was really controlling the coaching hire, and that the Haslams maybe simply had the role of approving or disapproving Dorsey's choice.
I don't think Finebaum was really trying to dig at Freddie, I think he just thought that he was not ready for an NFL HC job.
I tried to find a video link of him saying it, but could not.
So, there it is.
Now....this is hearsay, truly.....so take it for what it is:
Tony Rizzo, this morning on the radio, said that he watched a show on ESPN on which Paul Finebaum was commenting.
Now, understand this: Finebaum is from Alabama or thereabouts, and he had covered Kitchens in high school and in college in Alabama (and has been a Kitchens supporter) but yesterday on his broadcast he apparently stated that the hiring of Freddie Kitchens by the Browns is the worst HC hiring in history. His words (via Rizzo). He also blamed the Haslam's for intervening, though Finebaum made no mention apparently that it was John Dorsey who was really controlling the coaching hire, and that the Haslams maybe simply had the role of approving or disapproving Dorsey's choice.
I don't think Finebaum was really trying to dig at Freddie, I think he just thought that he was not ready for an NFL HC job.
I tried to find a video link of him saying it, but could not.
So, there it is.
Truth be told, Finebaum hasn't been the only one saying Freddie was a bad hire, but worst in NFL history might be a stretch. He's got a ways yet to catch old Shur-loss that was a total incompetent hire. BTW, congrats to Pat blowing that game against the Eagles last night. Up 17-3 and losing in OT. He does look a little more animated of late though.
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Now....this is hearsay, truly.....so take it for what it is:
Tony Rizzo, this morning on the radio, said that he watched a show on ESPN on which Paul Finebaum was commenting.
Now, understand this: Finebaum is from Alabama or thereabouts, and he had covered Kitchens in high school and in college in Alabama (and has been a Kitchens supporter) but yesterday on his broadcast he apparently stated that the hiring of Freddie Kitchens by the Browns is the worst HC hiring in history. His words (via Rizzo). He also blamed the Haslam's for intervening, though Finebaum made no mention apparently that it was John Dorsey who was really controlling the coaching hire, and that the Haslams maybe simply had the role of approving or disapproving Dorsey's choice.
I don't think Finebaum was really trying to dig at Freddie, I think he just thought that he was not ready for an NFL HC job.
I tried to find a video link of him saying it, but could not.
So, there it is.
Truth be told, Finebaum hasn't been the only one saying Freddie was a bad hire, but worst in NFL history might be a stretch. He's got a ways yet to catch old Shur-loss that was a total incompetent hire. BTW, congrats to Pat blowing that game against the Eagles last night. Up 17-3 and losing in OT. He does look a little more animated of late though.
Truth be told, Finebaum hasn't been the only one saying Freddie was a bad hire, but worst in NFL history might be a stretch. He's got a ways yet to catch old Shur-loss that was a total incompetent hire. BTW, congrats to Pat blowing that game against the Eagles last night. Up 17-3 and losing in OT. He does look a little more animated of late though.
There may have been something lost in the translation from Finebaum to Rizzo to me. Rizzo is not know for getting things particularly accurate. Maybe Finebaum said merely "of the current hires" or something, it was the worst. I was only quoting Rizzo.
As I said, if someone can find the clip, please provide it. I could not find it.
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Now....this is hearsay, truly.....so take it for what it is:
Tony Rizzo, this morning on the radio, said that he watched a show on ESPN on which Paul Finebaum was commenting.
Now, understand this: Finebaum is from Alabama or thereabouts, and he had covered Kitchens in high school and in college in Alabama (and has been a Kitchens supporter) but yesterday on his broadcast he apparently stated that the hiring of Freddie Kitchens by the Browns is the worst HC hiring in history. His words (via Rizzo). He also blamed the Haslam's for intervening, though Finebaum made no mention apparently that it was John Dorsey who was really controlling the coaching hire, and that the Haslams maybe simply had the role of approving or disapproving Dorsey's choice.
I don't think Finebaum was really trying to dig at Freddie, I think he just thought that he was not ready for an NFL HC job.
I tried to find a video link of him saying it, but could not.
So, there it is.
Now....this is hearsay, truly.....so take it for what it is:
Tony Rizzo, this morning on the radio, said that he watched a show on ESPN on which Paul Finebaum was commenting.
Now, understand this: Finebaum is from Alabama or thereabouts, and he had covered Kitchens in high school and in college in Alabama (and has been a Kitchens supporter) but yesterday on his broadcast he apparently stated that the hiring of Freddie Kitchens by the Browns is the worst HC hiring in history. His words (via Rizzo). He also blamed the Haslam's for intervening, though Finebaum made no mention apparently that it was John Dorsey who was really controlling the coaching hire, and that the Haslams maybe simply had the role of approving or disapproving Dorsey's choice.
I don't think Finebaum was really trying to dig at Freddie, I think he just thought that he was not ready for an NFL HC job.
I tried to find a video link of him saying it, but could not.
So, there it is.
i don't listen to the talking heads on espn for the most part....i like steven a. most of the time....he did not like the hire either...when all the espn folks say kitchens more or less was a bad hire, then there is something to it....i think he stinks just like the rest of the team...he might be the worse hire...look at the facts...records in most penalties...bad play calling.....letting blockhead mayfield control the team.....oh wait a minute...its doctor mayfield now....he made the diagnosis on the training staff's inability to fix yodell.....what else...oh....the garrett incident....and the best of all, the fucking tshirt incident...there is probably more that i cannot think of at this time...but man this was a garbage hire by a fucking owner that don't know shit about football...
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Well I must say the "T-shirt"... Put a different light on Freddie.. I thought it was careless on Freddies part... It's not a good look no matter how you slice it...
Well I must say the "T-shirt"... Put a different light on Freddie.. I thought it was careless on Freddies part... It's not a good look no matter how you slice it...
amen to that...
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Now....this is hearsay, truly.....so take it for what it is:
Tony Rizzo, this morning on the radio, said that he watched a show on ESPN on which Paul Finebaum was commenting.
Now, understand this: Finebaum is from Alabama or thereabouts, and he had covered Kitchens in high school and in college in Alabama (and has been a Kitchens supporter) but yesterday on his broadcast he apparently stated that the hiring of Freddie Kitchens by the Browns is the worst HC hiring in history. His words (via Rizzo). He also blamed the Haslam's for intervening, though Finebaum made no mention apparently that it was John Dorsey who was really controlling the coaching hire, and that the Haslams maybe simply had the role of approving or disapproving Dorsey's choice.
I don't think Finebaum was really trying to dig at Freddie, I think he just thought that he was not ready for an NFL HC job.
I tried to find a video link of him saying it, but could not.
So, there it is.
i don't listen to the talking heads on espn for the most part....i like steven a. most of the time....he did not like the hire either...when all the espn folks say kitchens more or less was a bad hire, then there is something to it....i think he stinks just like the rest of the team...he might be the worse hire...look at the facts...records in most penalties...bad play calling.....letting blockhead mayfield control the team.....oh wait a minute...its doctor mayfield now....he made the diagnosis on the training staff's inability to fix yodell.....what else...oh....the garrett incident....and the best of all, the fucking tshirt incident...there is probably more that i cannot think of at this time...but man this was a garbage hire by a fucking owner that don't know shit about football...
i don't listen to the talking heads on espn for the most part....i like steven a. most of the time....he did not like the hire either...when all the espn folks say kitchens more or less was a bad hire, then there is something to it....i think he stinks just like the rest of the team...he might be the worse hire...look at the facts...records in most penalties...bad play calling.....letting blockhead mayfield control the team.....oh wait a minute...its doctor mayfield now....he made the diagnosis on the training staff's inability to fix yodell.....what else...oh....the garrett incident....and the best of all, the fucking tshirt incident...there is probably more that i cannot think of at this time...but man this was a garbage hire by a fucking owner that don't know shit about football...
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
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i don't listen to the talking heads on espn for the most part....i like steven a. most of the time....he did not like the hire either...when all the espn folks say kitchens more or less was a bad hire, then there is something to it....i think he stinks just like the rest of the team...he might be the worse hire...look at the facts...records in most penalties...bad play calling.....letting blockhead mayfield control the team.....oh wait a minute...its doctor mayfield now....he made the diagnosis on the training staff's inability to fix yodell.....what else...oh....the garrett incident....and the best of all, the fucking tshirt incident...there is probably more that i cannot think of at this time...but man this was a garbage hire by a fucking owner that don't know shit about football...
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
i am hearing different stories with both parties involved....sure there is blame....there is lots of blame for this crappy season with all the expectations...if its dorsey, then he is to blame...but i am sure good ole hasshit had his say in the deal somewhere along the line...lets just say for now its both....and we the fans suffer once again...
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i don't listen to the talking heads on espn for the most part....i like steven a. most of the time....he did not like the hire either...when all the espn folks say kitchens more or less was a bad hire, then there is something to it....i think he stinks just like the rest of the team...he might be the worse hire...look at the facts...records in most penalties...bad play calling.....letting blockhead mayfield control the team.....oh wait a minute...its doctor mayfield now....he made the diagnosis on the training staff's inability to fix yodell.....what else...oh....the garrett incident....and the best of all, the fucking tshirt incident...there is probably more that i cannot think of at this time...but man this was a garbage hire by a fucking owner that don't know shit about football...
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
Sticking to the Facts... https://cantonrep.com/sports/20190114/browns-gm-john-dorsey-outlines-process-of-hiring-freddie-kitchens-as-head-coach
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
i am hearing different stories with both parties involved....sure there is blame....there is lots of blame for this crappy season with all the expectations...if its dorsey, then he is to blame...but i am sure good ole hasshit had his say in the deal somewhere along the line...lets just say for now its both....and we the fans suffer once again...
i am hearing different stories with both parties involved....sure there is blame....there is lots of blame for this crappy season with all the expectations...if its dorsey, then he is to blame...but i am sure good ole hasshit had his say in the deal somewhere along the line...lets just say for now its both....and we the fans suffer once again...
Well...here is a question. Did Dorsey want a HC that he thought he could have complete control over? I think we all know that it was going to be difficult to have complete control over Gregg Williams.
I also heard that there was a split between the FO people: the "Football" people in the FO...Dorsey, Highsmith, Wolf, wanted Freddie. The "Analytics" people...headed by DePodesta wanted Ken Stefanski....currrent OC, I believe of the Vikings. The football people won out....which you would expect. But sometimes they don't always make the right choice.
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Except...correct me if I am wrong......it was Dorsey's choice to make....simply to be approved by Haslam.
So, wouldn't it be more fair to place the majority of the blame on Dorsey....that is, if you feel there is blame to be assessed at all?
Sticking to the Facts... https://cantonrep.com/sports/20190114/browns-gm-john-dorsey-outlines-process-of-hiring-freddie-kitchens-as-head-coach
Sticking to the Facts... https://cantonrep.com/sports/20190114/browns-gm-john-dorsey-outlines-process-of-hiring-freddie-kitchens-as-head-coach
That actually explains nothing....other than that Freddie was not on Dorsey's list of potential HC candidates over a year before he got the job. All that explains is that "so and so was not right for us going forward into the future" and that they felt that Kitchens "was right for us going forward in the future"....otherwise it tells us fuck all.....on why Ferd was hired or why the others were not. "Not right going forward in the future" is not an explanation, but an excuse.
I am sure that Dorsey didn't want to reveal the discussions on each candidate....and I am sure he may have fibbed on a few of them. "Was Bruce Arians age a factor"? Dorsey says no, but he may have been thinking: Godamn right it is....we don't want a 66 year old guy in here running this team" "Was Gregg Williams temperament a factor"...."no it was not, being the verbal response given....but "you're goddamn right its a factor, may have been the truth."
Neither Dorsey....nor any other GM/owner/whatever is ever going to tell the honest truth about why they chose X and said "Adios" to Y.
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Nick Saban was the worst hire. He was aweful at Mia. And then he lied and quit
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Sticking to the Facts... https://cantonrep.com/sports/20190114/browns-gm-john-dorsey-outlines-process-of-hiring-freddie-kitchens-as-head-coach
That actually explains nothing....other than that Freddie was not on Dorsey's list of potential HC candidates over a year before he got the job. All that explains is that "so and so was not right for us going forward into the future" and that they felt that Kitchens "was right for us going forward in the future"....otherwise it tells us fuck all.....on why Ferd was hired or why the others were not. "Not right going forward in the future" is not an explanation, but an excuse.
I am sure that Dorsey didn't want to reveal the discussions on each candidate....and I am sure he may have fibbed on a few of them. "Was Bruce Arians age a factor"? Dorsey says no, but he may have been thinking: Godamn right it is....we don't want a 66 year old guy in here running this team" "Was Gregg Williams temperament a factor"...."no it was not, being the verbal response given....but "you're goddamn right its a factor, may have been the truth."
Neither Dorsey....nor any other GM/owner/whatever is ever going to tell the honest truth about why they chose X and said "Adios" to Y.
Neither Dorsey....nor any other GM/owner/whatever is ever going to tell the honest truth about why they chose X and said "Adios" to Y.
The End.. those were Dorsey's quotes or quote what you believe..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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Neither Dorsey....nor any other GM/owner/whatever is ever going to tell the honest truth about why they chose X and said "Adios" to Y.
The End.. those were Dorsey's quotes or quote what you believe..
The End.. those were Dorsey's quotes or quote what you believe..
Yes, They were Dorsey's quotes...and as I said....they revealed absofuckinglutely nothing about why Ferd was chosen and others were not.
"we thought it best for the team going to the future". WTF is that supposed to mean? Its like a coach saying "we thought X QB gave us the best chance to win the game". If there were truth, then the HC would say "our starting QB, Joe Blow, was sucking swamp water". At least Tomlin admitted about Rudolph that he didn'nt think this duck guy "would get us killed". Dorsey didn't want to say "I didn't want to have to deal with Gregg Williams and his personality any more" Or "I think Arians is over the hill and he has had heart issues, and I know that the Cleveland Browns HC job is not for a guy with a weak heart".....nor did he .....or the other Green Bay crowd on this team want to admit "we dealt with McCarthy in Green Bay...and fuck him, we don't want his ass here". They would not admit "Freddie is so inexperienced that we know that he will have no choice but to follow our instructions on how to run this team"."It is best for the team going forward"......a horseshit cliche is there ever was one.
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i am hearing different stories with both parties involved....sure there is blame....there is lots of blame for this crappy season with all the expectations...if its dorsey, then he is to blame...but i am sure good ole hasshit had his say in the deal somewhere along the line...lets just say for now its both....and we the fans suffer once again...
Well...here is a question. Did Dorsey want a HC that he thought he could have complete control over? I think we all know that it was going to be difficult to have complete control over Gregg Williams.
I also heard that there was a split between the FO people: the "Football" people in the FO...Dorsey, Highsmith, Wolf, wanted Freddie. The "Analytics" people...headed by DePodesta wanted Ken Stefanski....currrent OC, I believe of the Vikings. The football people won out....which you would expect. But sometimes they don't always make the right choice.
Well...here is a question. Did Dorsey want a HC that he thought he could have complete control over? I think we all know that it was going to be difficult to have complete control over Gregg Williams.
I also heard that there was a split between the FO people: the "Football" people in the FO...Dorsey, Highsmith, Wolf, wanted Freddie. The "Analytics" people...headed by DePodesta wanted Ken Stefanski....currrent OC, I believe of the Vikings. The football people won out....which you would expect. But sometimes they don't always make the right choice.
hey i forgot to add, it could have been doctor mayfield who made the choice....don't forget, he is a doctor now.....doctors have alot of power....calling doctor moe, doctor larry, doctor curly....remember that stooges episode.....i just have to add some comedy here because i am totally sick of all this soap opera bullshit....
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Sticking to the Facts... https://cantonrep.com/sports/20190114/browns-gm-john-dorsey-outlines-process-of-hiring-freddie-kitchens-as-head-coach
That actually explains nothing....other than that Freddie was not on Dorsey's list of potential HC candidates over a year before he got the job. All that explains is that "so and so was not right for us going forward into the future" and that they felt that Kitchens "was right for us going forward in the future"....otherwise it tells us fuck all.....on why Ferd was hired or why the others were not. "Not right going forward in the future" is not an explanation, but an excuse.
I am sure that Dorsey didn't want to reveal the discussions on each candidate....and I am sure he may have fibbed on a few of them. "Was Bruce Arians age a factor"? Dorsey says no, but he may have been thinking: Godamn right it is....we don't want a 66 year old guy in here running this team" "Was Gregg Williams temperament a factor"...."no it was not, being the verbal response given....but "you're goddamn right its a factor, may have been the truth."
Neither Dorsey....nor any other GM/owner/whatever is ever going to tell the honest truth about why they chose X and said "Adios" to Y.
That actually explains nothing....other than that Freddie was not on Dorsey's list of potential HC candidates over a year before he got the job. All that explains is that "so and so was not right for us going forward into the future" and that they felt that Kitchens "was right for us going forward in the future"....otherwise it tells us fuck all.....on why Ferd was hired or why the others were not. "Not right going forward in the future" is not an explanation, but an excuse.
I am sure that Dorsey didn't want to reveal the discussions on each candidate....and I am sure he may have fibbed on a few of them. "Was Bruce Arians age a factor"? Dorsey says no, but he may have been thinking: Godamn right it is....we don't want a 66 year old guy in here running this team" "Was Gregg Williams temperament a factor"...."no it was not, being the verbal response given....but "you're goddamn right its a factor, may have been the truth."
Neither Dorsey....nor any other GM/owner/whatever is ever going to tell the honest truth about why they chose X and said "Adios" to Y.
guess you are right...remember the manziel choice....the rumor was the gm did not want him but hasshit forced the issue...he wanted manziel and it was reported to have happened that way by many analysts/media folks...but like you say gip....no one ever comes out to own up to the mistakes because they don't want to look bad.....
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All I know is that I despise Freddie kitchens in every way possible. From him being a fat slob to being a moron hillbilly. He can't do anything right and I struggle to think of a single thing he's done well at all. I just can't stand the guy whatsoever. I don't think I've ever soured on a coach quite this quickly.
On a side note I just watched a special on HBO called Belichick and Saban: The art of coaching. To watch both of those legendary coaches wearing browns gear and now we have Freddie f'n kitchens.
Christ.
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Nick Saban was the worst hire. He was aweful at Mia. And then he lied and quit
Nick Saban is a POS!.. I hate the asshole!
.. but still has the Chubb R2 abilities
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