Ratbirds @ Browns Official Gameday thread
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Just some of my dumb opinions:
If Freddie refuses to give up all playcalling, he should go. Maybe fire the OC. Seriously, Freddie. No mas.
The 3rd and one with about 2 minutes left in the first half, and he runs wide to the left with a LT that still holds and still moves/loses the snap count, and can't handle the blocking on that play. And again, they seemed to know what the play was.
The Browns need safety help. As in, two new starters.
The offensive line folded, and the defense gave up. The ratbuzzards seemed to have attacked the safeties and stayed away from Wilson and Schobert as much as possible. That's just a guess on my part.
After the first quarter, I thought we'd see more throws to Hunt and Chubb out of the backfield. Apparently, the oline can't block long enough to run those plays....
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any body going to the bengals game next week....phhhhhweeeeee.....heh heh heh.....what a clusterfuck of a team.....you can watch mixon rush for around 200 yds...
Yeah, I'm going with one of my college pals and his daughters. Only an hour to Paul Brown from my house- a far shorter drive than uup to Cleveland. And looking forward to a great tailgate with the Cinci Browns Backsers.
half time...it was over before it started.....this garbage pit.....fucking pour some gas on it and light the match...
Why don't you just start rooting for another team? You're just like those losers who pile on after every loss over on Cleveland.com. Just not happy unless we not only win, but win big- and then- you'd still have something to bitch about. Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the defense sucks, suck, suck, suck........
And if the Browns lose to the Bengals in a game that's only going to determine draft position for the Browns (the Bengals have officially won the #1 pick Burrow Bowl) I'm sure you'll be more than delighted that Fred is Dead.
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PS just checking- and it's almost time to give NIck Chubb props for taking the league rushing title. After today- both Henry and McCaffery ( the only ones with a shot to catch him) will have to out gain Nick by almost 100 yards this coming Sunday to catch him.
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At this point do we need to go 3-5 next season and fire Freddie.
just take care of it now
At this point do we need to go 3-5 next season and fire Freddie.
just take care of it now
Don't make the same mistake we did with Jackson.....bring him back, having to fire him halfway, putting an interim coach in charge. The bring in someone else for the following year. Just cut the cord now (after the next game, that is).
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PS just checking- and it's almost time to give NIck Chubb props for taking the league rushing title. After today- both Henry and McCaffery ( the only ones with a shot to catch him) will have to out gain Nick by almost 100 yards this coming Sunday to catch him.
PS just checking- and it's almost time to give NIck Chubb props for taking the league rushing title. After today- both Henry and McCaffery ( the only ones with a shot to catch him) will have to out gain Nick by almost 100 yards this coming Sunday to catch him.
The NFL's leading rusher and we can't even go 8-8? I wonder what the winning % is for teams with the leading rusher over say the last 20 years? It's gotta be high.
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At this point do we need to go 3-5 next season and fire Freddie.
just take care of it now
Don't make the same mistake we did with Jackson.....bring him back, having to fire him halfway, putting an interim coach in charge. The bring in someone else for the following year. Just cut the cord now (after the next game, that is).
Don't make the same mistake we did with Jackson.....bring him back, having to fire him halfway, putting an interim coach in charge. The bring in someone else for the following year. Just cut the cord now (after the next game, that is).
I don't know Gipper- I suppose you should give Freddie the dignity of finishing out the season- but as far as I"m concerned, Dean Man walking. Black Monday 8 days away....
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Don't make the same mistake we did with Jackson.....bring him back, having to fire him halfway, putting an interim coach in charge. The bring in someone else for the following year. Just cut the cord now (after the next game, that is).
I don't know Gipper- I suppose you should give Freddie the dignity of finishing out the season- but as far as I"m concerned, Dean Man walking. Black Monday 8 days away....
I don't know Gipper- I suppose you should give Freddie the dignity of finishing out the season- but as far as I"m concerned, Dean Man walking.
No, I said let him finish the season: "after the next game" I said.
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No, I said let him finish the season: "after the next game" I said.
I know what you said Gip... Some wouldn't even want him to coach another game.... A Bungle loss with a dispirited showing will seal the deal....
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Also you're acting as if the two point automatically fails because they tried it on the first td. You still get all those advantages and more if two point is successful. Let's not forget pats arent automatic now either.
Comparing situations in college football and the nfl is apples to oranges. Steve spurrier is honestly IMO one of the most overrated coaches in college football history too, if I’m being honest. Also, the man hasn’t coached in 20 or more years.
look, I’m not going to change your mind but there’s a reason obj and several other players were barking at Freddie. I’d bet my literal house though what I’m saying would be the sentiment of the overwhelming majority of nfl head coaches
Comparing situations in college football and the nfl is apples to oranges.
I can agree to disagree but I wanted to give you an example since you used the momentum example and address this quoted part.
Comparing talent and some situations even is apple's to oranges but comparing about wanting to know what you need to know to win or tie a game is no matter the level of football.
My example. Say in today's game after failing instead of our defense folding like a cheap suit we force a 3 and out and get the ball back with about 6 minutes remaining. We are rushing because we know we need two scores having already attempted our two point conversion. We are facing a 4th down after 3 straight incomplete passes. So around 5:30 seconds left on the clock. We would punt down 8 with 3 timeouts however knowing we need a 2nd score we go for it in this situation. Or we get down to goal to go with 3:30 left (because we're in a hurry up knowing we need 2 scores) and and get a penalty or sack making it 4th and goal from the 17. We kick the field goal and kick away with full complement of timeouts where as if were down 8 we are are running clock being in striking distance not wanting to give them the ball back with much time and get in that situation with less than 2 minutes to go. We are attempting to pick up 17 for a td and even if we pick it up we call the same 2 point play. You're calling your best two point play regardless of when you attempt it. Unless Baker is more accurate down 2 points than down 9 points the result is the same.
Basically if i miss the two point conversion i want as much time on the clock as possible for my two possessions. If i convert it doesn't matter whether i convert on the first or 2nd td with the exception that I could theoretically go for the win on the 2nd td if I converted on the first.
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Comparing situations in college football and the nfl is apples to oranges.
I can agree to disagree but I wanted to give you an example since you used the momentum example and address this quoted part.
Comparing talent and some situations even is apple's to oranges but comparing about wanting to know what you need to know to win or tie a game is no matter the level of football.
My example. Say in today's game after failing instead of our defense folding like a cheap suit we force a 3 and out and get the ball back with about 6 minutes remaining. We are rushing because we know we need two scores having already attempted our two point conversion. We are facing a 4th down after 3 straight incomplete passes. So around 5:30 seconds left on the clock. We would punt down 8 with 3 timeouts however knowing we need a 2nd score we go for it in this situation. Or we get down to goal to go with 3:30 left (because we're in a hurry up knowing we need 2 scores) and and get a penalty or sack making it 4th and goal from the 17. We kick the field goal and kick away with full complement of timeouts where as if were down 8 we are are running clock being in striking distance not wanting to give them the ball back with much time and get in that situation with less than 2 minutes to go. We are attempting to pick up 17 for a td and even if we pick it up we call the same 2 point play. You're calling your best two point play regardless of when you attempt it. Unless Baker is more accurate down 2 points than down 9 points the result is the same.
Basically if i miss the two point conversion i want as much time on the clock as possible for my two possessions. If i convert it doesn't matter whether i convert on the first or 2nd td with the exception that I could theoretically go for the win on the 2nd td if I converted on the first.
I can agree to disagree but I wanted to give you an example since you used the momentum example and address this quoted part.
Comparing talent and some situations even is apple's to oranges but comparing about wanting to know what you need to know to win or tie a game is no matter the level of football.
My example. Say in today's game after failing instead of our defense folding like a cheap suit we force a 3 and out and get the ball back with about 6 minutes remaining. We are rushing because we know we need two scores having already attempted our two point conversion. We are facing a 4th down after 3 straight incomplete passes. So around 5:30 seconds left on the clock. We would punt down 8 with 3 timeouts however knowing we need a 2nd score we go for it in this situation. Or we get down to goal to go with 3:30 left (because we're in a hurry up knowing we need 2 scores) and and get a penalty or sack making it 4th and goal from the 17. We kick the field goal and kick away with full complement of timeouts where as if were down 8 we are are running clock being in striking distance not wanting to give them the ball back with much time and get in that situation with less than 2 minutes to go. We are attempting to pick up 17 for a td and even if we pick it up we call the same 2 point play. You're calling your best two point play regardless of when you attempt it. Unless Baker is more accurate down 2 points than down 9 points the result is the same.
Basically if i miss the two point conversion i want as much time on the clock as possible for my two possessions. If i convert it doesn't matter whether i convert on the first or 2nd td with the exception that I could theoretically go for the win on the 2nd td if I converted on the first.
I agree with both yours and jrb's views, and can easily side with either of you for all the reasons you have both said. I probably would've kicked it myself, but I had zero issues with the idiot going for 2.
8 more days should be the end of the fat man.............. or else it's the beginning of the end of the 2020 season if it's not.
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at 5:40... exhibit 'B' why I NEED Wilks to be gone. Generally you don't want to make things as easy as possible on a young QB that is still working to develop as a passer.
First of all, don't get me wrong, it got the 5th man free but as we learned you kind of have to "corral" LJ. But this is a zero pressure with Chad Thomas "occupying" his blocker and playing a spy. The issue is all the space we allow on the rotation in a pretty poor attempt to disguise the coverage. Had this pressure been chipped or late, Lamar would have had an even easier throw and catch to Andrews. It's just hard for me to stomach how easily we let some of these receivers into the pattern over the course of this season.
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any body going to the bengals game next week....phhhhhweeeeee.....heh heh heh.....what a clusterfuck of a team.....you can watch mixon rush for around 200 yds...
Yeah, I'm going with one of my college pals and his daughters. Only an hour to Paul Brown from my house- a far shorter drive than uup to Cleveland. And looking forward to a great tailgate with the Cinci Browns Backsers.
half time...it was over before it started.....this garbage pit.....fucking pour some gas on it and light the match...
Why don't you just start rooting for another team? You're just like those losers who pile on after every loss over on Cleveland.com. Just not happy unless we not only win, but win big- and then- you'd still have something to bitch about. Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the defense sucks, suck, suck, suck........
And if the Browns lose to the Bengals in a game that's only going to determine draft position for the Browns (the Bengals have officially won the #1 pick Burrow Bowl) I'm sure you'll be more than delighted that Fred is Dead.
Yeah, I'm going with one of my college pals and his daughters. Only an hour to Paul Brown from my house- a far shorter drive than uup to Cleveland. And looking forward to a great tailgate with the Cinci Browns Backsers.
Why don't you just start rooting for another team? You're just like those losers who pile on after every loss over on Cleveland.com. Just not happy unless we not only win, but win big- and then- you'd still have something to bitch about. Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the defense sucks, suck, suck, suck........
And if the Browns lose to the Bengals in a game that's only going to determine draft position for the Browns (the Bengals have officially won the #1 pick Burrow Bowl) I'm sure you'll be more than delighted that Fred is Dead.
yip ,,,,everything is just fine in cleveland.......they don't suck...my bad....NOT........,..YOU MUST BE RELATED TO HASLEM......ONLY WAY I SEE IT...
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Yeah, I'm going with one of my college pals and his daughters. Only an hour to Paul Brown from my house- a far shorter drive than uup to Cleveland. And looking forward to a great tailgate with the Cinci Browns Backsers.
Why don't you just start rooting for another team? You're just like those losers who pile on after every loss over on Cleveland.com. Just not happy unless we not only win, but win big- and then- you'd still have something to bitch about. Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the defense sucks, suck, suck, suck........
And if the Browns lose to the Bengals in a game that's only going to determine draft position for the Browns (the Bengals have officially won the #1 pick Burrow Bowl) I'm sure you'll be more than delighted that Fred is Dead.
yip ,,,,everything is just fine in cleveland.......they don't suck...my bad....NOT........,..YOU MUST BE RELATED TO HASLEM......ONLY WAY I SEE IT...
yip ,,,,everything is just fine in cleveland.......they don't suck...my bad....NOT........,..YOU MUST BE RELATED TO HASLEM......ONLY WAY I SEE IT...
Nobody cares how you see anything.
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Rocketship 🚀@MackWilsonSorry we couldn’t get it done for you guys that was rooting for us through the bad and the good. We got 1 more game to finish. Just want to say I appreciate all of the fans from the bottom of my heart. ❤️ #LoveCleveland -
No, I said let him finish the season: "after the next game" I said.
I know what you said Gip... Some wouldn't even want him to coach another game.... A Bungle loss with a dispirited showing will seal the deal....
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Random thoughts...
We lost today to a better team... period.
And yet early it was us that controlled the game... took a lead... forced two turnovers (one on downs) and a punt. It was the first meeting's recipe unfolding again... then it wasn't.
Our D did not quit in the 2nd half, they were gassed. For almost a half of football our Practice Squad DL was a match for their All-Pro laden Offense... then it wasn't.
First meeting was a role reversal. It was the Ravens that were missing key folks. Today they were all back... and then some... while it was us missing key people.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Random thoughts...
We lost today to a better team... period.
And yet early it was us that controlled the game... took a lead... forced two turnovers (one on downs) and a punt. It was the first meeting's recipe unfolding again... then it wasn't.
Our D did not quit in the 2nd half, they were gassed. For almost a half of football our Practice Squad DL was a match for their All-Pro laden Offense... then it wasn't.
First meeting was a role reversal. It was the Ravens that were missing key folks. Today they were all back... and then some... while it was us missing key people.
For almost a half of football our Practice Squad DL was a match for their All-Pro laden Offense... then it wasn't.
lol Yup, our Dline wound up being random guys wearing uniforms (and ugly ones at that......one more game for those unis.......then we'll get polka dots or something).
Freddie seems to have a knack of having the last minute or two of the half blow completely up in his face. (and how Kareem Hunt didn't fumble that ball I'll never know)
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kitchens over thinks way too much. It’s hard to win when you have a coach calling the sequences he does. He sucks completely. If he isn’t fired in the off-season, It will officially be a twilight zone episode
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Random thoughts...
We lost today to a better team... period.
And yet early it was us that controlled the game... took a lead... forced two turnovers (one on downs) and a punt. It was the first meeting's recipe unfolding again... then it wasn't.
Our D did not quit in the 2nd half, they were gassed. For almost a half of football our Practice Squad DL was a match for their All-Pro laden Offense... then it wasn't.
First meeting was a role reversal. It was the Ravens that were missing key folks. Today they were all back... and then some... while it was us missing key people.
Random thoughts...
We lost today to a better team... period.
And yet early it was us that controlled the game... took a lead... forced two turnovers (one on downs) and a punt. It was the first meeting's recipe unfolding again... then it wasn't.
Our D did not quit in the 2nd half, they were gassed. For almost a half of football our Practice Squad DL was a match for their All-Pro laden Offense... then it wasn't.
First meeting was a role reversal. It was the Ravens that were missing key folks. Today they were all back... and then some... while it was us missing key people.
I guess, but the biggest reason we lose so many games isn't always our shitty defense...it's our shitty OFFENSE. We basically have zero big play ability. We literally get NOTHING down the field, and basically haven't all effing year.
What's worse? Our quarterback is a complete ass clown, and not a very smart one at that. Remember that play Hilliard got hurt? Baker had another receiver running a deeper parallel route that would have easily been enough for the first down. Did Baker make that easy throw? Noooooooooooooooo....he sets someone up to get injured, which is quickly becoming his only specialty.
Let's not kid ourselves, Baltimore should have been up by a lot more this game. They got a little pass happy for no reason in the first half, but wouldn't you know they fixed that shit at half time. They came out in the 2nd half and marched that shit right down our throats. The truly embarrassing thing is Lamar comes out and not only runs circles around Baker, but makes every throw Baker only WISHES he could make. You know, big 3rd down passes that prevent those pesky punts?
I'm glad people were booing at half time. I hope Haslam was paying attention because it's not only the players and coaches to blame, John Dorsey holds MORE than his fair share. I'm starting to think that guy couldn't find a set a tits on the internet, and here we are entrusting him to draft another year AND select another coach? Screw that.
Our team has no magic. Been that way all year. And it really hurts because we all know that the reset button is glowing red on Haslam's desk and he's about to mash it. I just wish he'd pan Dorsey too because that guy pulled one of the greatest con jobs on earth to get his job. I'm sorry to be so negative, but I am so irritated by our failure this season.
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In a nutshell, The players were ready for this game. Unfortunately the coaching staff was not.
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