The GOAT is Leaving New England... And Going to Tampa
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Hope he packs a ton of sanitizer. With a bunch of old folks living there and idiotic spring breakers it's going to be bad there for awhile.
Hope he packs a ton of sanitizer. With a bunch of old folks living there and idiotic spring breakers it's going to be bad there for awhile.
it's all those old folks passing gas that is killing the o zone
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Agree with you on Otto, but we part ways at JB. In his prime he was an unmatched physical specimen. Had a six-pack before that was a thing. When he was still shy of 50 whenever I saw him I remember thinking, "JB could still play today." At the level he did in his prime? Hell, no, but at a level where he would not embarrass himself.
Ego? Sure... why not. Franco is the perfect example of an inferior athlete compared to JB... and, of course, it did not help that he was a Steeler. What did ultimately help is that Franco fell short in total yards.
The most compelling of all JB's stats IMO is rushing yards per game... only player to average over 100... and at 104.3 he eclipsed that mark by a comfortable margin.
How would JB in his prime stack up in today's game? I don't know, but I suspect that he'd be licking his chops at the prospect of facing nickel and dime packages. Somewhere the game and its players got to a level when the challenge likely out-sized him... but it wasn't in the 70's... or 80's.... or even the 90's...
Pluck him as he was in his prime and drop him into any of those decades and he'd have competed with the best. That's something I can't think is true of any other player of his era.
Later eras? More names come to mind... like Earl... but out of the 60's JB stands alone.
That's why he's my GOAT... and always will be.
Exactly. And I don't know either, and neither does Gip. All that can be expressed here are opinions and speculation. It could never be proven. My opinion is that JB would be good back but not a HOF'er.
Look at Trent Richardson, a 230 lb physical specimen touted by some to be the next JB. A "can't miss" in the draft turns out to be a bust.
His awards in college:
- 2× BCS National Champion (2009, 2011)
- Heisman Trophy finalist (2011)
- Unanimous All-American (2011)
- Doak Walker Award (2011)
- SEC Offensive Player of the Year (2011)
- 2× First-team All-SEC (2010, 2011)
- SEC Champion (2009)
- SEC All-Freshman Team (2009)
- USA Today High School All-American (2008)
Put him in a time machine to 1960 on an NFL team, which by the way were inferior to todays top college teams, and you don't think he'd tear up the league to the level of JB? You may not, but I certainly do.
Send TR back to the future NFL and he sucks again.
Send JB to the future NFL and I'd bet he'd suck too...ok not suck, just be not as good.
Again this is all speculation to which I form my opinion.
Gee wiz, with all the technology we have you'd think someone would come up with a working flux capacitor...the flux capacitor is what makes time travel possible ya know.
Exactly. And I don't know either, and neither does Gip. All that can be expressed here are opinions and speculation. It could never be proven. My opinion is that JB would be good back but not a HOF'er.
Look at Trent Richardson, a 230 lb physical specimen touted by some to be the next JB. A "can't miss" in the draft turns out to be a bust.
His awards in college:
- 2× BCS National Champion (2009, 2011)
- Heisman Trophy finalist (2011)
- Unanimous All-American (2011)
- Doak Walker Award (2011)
- SEC Offensive Player of the Year (2011)
- 2× First-team All-SEC (2010, 2011)
- SEC Champion (2009)
- SEC All-Freshman Team (2009)
- USA Today High School All-American (2008)
Put him in a time machine to 1960 on an NFL team, which by the way were inferior to todays top college teams, and you don't think he'd tear up the league to the level of JB? You may not, but I certainly do.
Send TR back to the future NFL and he sucks again.
Send JB to the future NFL and I'd bet he'd suck too...ok not suck, just be not as good.
Again this is all speculation to which I form my opinion.
Gee wiz, with all the technology we have you'd think someone would come up with a working flux capacitor...the flux capacitor is what makes time travel possible ya know.
You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to declare that I believe it is a very poor, off base opinion.
So, just to be clear: The player many, many consider to be the greatest of all time....you say would be mediocre at best in this day and age.
I will only say that there are some elements that are unmeasurable that you did not take into account: Heart and desire. TR (and many others of similar build, and with similar credentials) didn't have the heart and desire that Jim Brown had. Few ever have. Walter Payton....did. Jerry Rice...and sure, dealing with today's players: Tom Brady does.
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Agree with you on Otto, but we part ways at JB. In his prime he was an unmatched physical specimen. Had a six-pack before that was a thing. When he was still shy of 50 whenever I saw him I remember thinking, "JB could still play today." At the level he did in his prime? Hell, no, but at a level where he would not embarrass himself.
Ego? Sure... why not. Franco is the perfect example of an inferior athlete compared to JB... and, of course, it did not help that he was a Steeler. What did ultimately help is that Franco fell short in total yards.
The most compelling of all JB's stats IMO is rushing yards per game... only player to average over 100... and at 104.3 he eclipsed that mark by a comfortable margin.
How would JB in his prime stack up in today's game? I don't know, but I suspect that he'd be licking his chops at the prospect of facing nickel and dime packages. Somewhere the game and its players got to a level when the challenge likely out-sized him... but it wasn't in the 70's... or 80's.... or even the 90's...
Pluck him as he was in his prime and drop him into any of those decades and he'd have competed with the best. That's something I can't think is true of any other player of his era.
Later eras? More names come to mind... like Earl... but out of the 60's JB stands alone.
That's why he's my GOAT... and always will be.
Exactly. And I don't know either, and neither does Gip. All that can be expressed here are opinions and speculation. It could never be proven. My opinion is that JB would be good back but not a HOF'er.
Look at Trent Richardson, a 230 lb physical specimen touted by some to be the next JB. A "can't miss" in the draft turns out to be a bust.
His awards in college:
- 2× BCS National Champion (2009, 2011)
- Heisman Trophy finalist (2011)
- Unanimous All-American (2011)
- Doak Walker Award (2011)
- SEC Offensive Player of the Year (2011)
- 2× First-team All-SEC (2010, 2011)
- SEC Champion (2009)
- SEC All-Freshman Team (2009)
- USA Today High School All-American (2008)
Put him in a time machine to 1960 on an NFL team, which by the way were inferior to todays top college teams, and you don't think he'd tear up the league to the level of JB? You may not, but I certainly do.
Send TR back to the future NFL and he sucks again.
Send JB to the future NFL and I'd bet he'd suck too...ok not suck, just be not as good.
Again this is all speculation to which I form my opinion.
Gee wiz, with all the technology we have you'd think someone would come up with a working flux capacitor...the flux capacitor is what makes time travel possible ya know.
Put (TR) in a time machine to 1960 on an NFL team, which by the way were inferior to todays top college teams, and you don't think he'd tear up the league to the level of JB? You may not, but I certainly do.
Interesting point... never thought about today's players
TR might actually have a shot at being good because there was no ZBS, but it is also true that holes were not always where they were supposed to be...and whenever that was the case TR was in trouble.
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Put (TR) in a time machine to 1960 on an NFL team, which by the way were inferior to todays top college teams, and you don't think he'd tear up the league to the level of JB? You may not, but I certainly do.
Interesting point... never thought about today's players
TR might actually have a shot at being good because there was no ZBS, but it is also true that holes were not always where they were supposed to be...and whenever that was the case TR was in trouble.
Interesting point... never thought about today's players
TR might actually have a shot at being good because there was no ZBS, but it is also true that holes were not always where they were supposed to be...and whenever that was the case TR was in trouble.
TR was also battling nagging little injuries especially when he turned pro.
AND TR as an NFL rookie used to keep battling for that extra yard and was getting hit worse than he ever did in college.
And another small point about TR I think he just gave up.....or "follow the money". It explains a lot in business and life the dude is a multimillionaire, why get beat up every week ?
Estimated Career Earnings
YEAR TEAM SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUCTURE BONUS OPTION BONUS INCENTIVE TOTAL CASH 2012 
$390,000 $13,341,000 - - - - - $13,731,000 2013 
$1,321,354 - - - - - - $1,321,354 2014 $2,252,708 - - - - - - $2,252,708 2015 
- - $600,000 $150,000 - - - $750,000 4 seasons $3,964,062 $13,341,000 $600,000 $150,000 - - - $18,055,062 -
Humorous take on Tom's future...
Mike Bianchi: Tom Brady, welcome to Florida's quarterbacking graveyard
By Mike Bianchi, Orlando SentinelAs excited as we all are about Tom Brady coming to Tampa Bay, isn’t there a part of you that doesn’t want to see the inevitably ugly ending?
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Almost nobody stays with one city and team for their entire career even the best ones finish up somewhere else.
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This is the best ever, I did not think he'd ever leave NE. Now I have 3 things to cheer for:
1. Browns SB win OK..I like that Idea
2. NE to do better than they did last year with Brady.....not gonna happen
3. For Brady to fail miserably and do worse than Winston.....
The opposite will, in my opinion be more likely the case. The Pats fail badly without Brady.
Brady has a ton more receiving talent in TB, but not his system he's been in his whole career, no Belichick and his cameras to tell him what to do, no holding o-line that never gets called, and no NE ref advantage. He's going to be terrible. I bet he gets "injured" halfway thru the season and retires.
NE will roll to an 11 or 12 win season with Rutgers' backup QB and win a playoff game or two before being crushed by the Browns.
You are dreaming. BB will be the HC he was here without Brady.....possibly have a losing season. Though, sure, its possible the Pats could be on par with the 1994 Browns. He is a good coach, and a good defensive coach. He could get the defense to play fairly well. But no Brady means they either do not make playoffs or get rolled in the first round.
i think they are going to end up in 3rd place....buffalo with diggs, i think, will win the east...i'm picking them to anyway....and watch out for miami...they are better than what most people think.........
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I can see how Gipper became successful in a law related career. Always trying to find excuses and arguments beyond a reasonable point, throwing water and mudding the field for the fight if needed... Because that is what it feels like, not a discussion, a fight.
Well, in any legal argument....you present facts. I have simply presented facts. People just don't like the facts, apparently. If you feel like it is a fight....that is your perspective, not mine. Perhaps when someone makes a cogent argument that has you questioning your position...you feel that is a fight? No, its a debate. Maybe your temperament means that you get overstressed in any debate.
A war of constant siege. He will dedicate hours to counter attack the most miserable point and will never concede that he was wrong,
Except, of course, I have conceded that I am wrong.....when I am wrong, factualy. (yes, Brandon Weeden did start his first game as a rookie...I was wrong about that) Its just that here I am not wrong. Because here it IS a matter of opinion. When I am wrong and concede it, no one makes any big deal over it. When I am right or if I have my own ideas, and you all don't like that the facts support me, then you all get all huffy...because while you all think you can have your opinions, if I have one that varies from yours... you all get stupid. You all are the ones that make it a fight.
It must be tiring always being right.
Not at all. I just let facts speak for themselves. Not much effort at all really. Why would doing that bring me any stress whatsoever.
In my opinion, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time.
And I have never had a problem with that opinion. All I have said is that it is arguable, backed up by facts, that another opinion or two are possible...perhaps even likely, but I am not allowed to have MY opinion, apparently. Nor am I allowed to defend it? Is that the way you think it should be?
I could give you some facts.....take these as you wish:
Tom Brady is not the all time leader in yards....Drew Brees is.
Tom Brady is not the all time leader in TD passes....Drew Brees is.
Tom Brady has not appeared in or won the most Championship games: Otto Graham did. (In half the number of years as TB)
Tom Brady has not...yet, taken two teams to win championships: Peyton Manning did.
Certainly your opinion is arguable...but it can be argued against, clearly. Yet, that is impermissible here?
Brady has 6 rings, end of discussion. 9 appearances to SB, have you seen him play? Best ever. TB will make the playoffs. Watch.
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Brady has 6 rings, end of discussion. 9 appearances to SB, have you seen him play? Best ever. TB will make the playoffs. Watch.
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Brady has 6 rings, end of discussion. 9 appearances to SB, have you seen him play? Best ever. TB will make the playoffs. Watch.
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Otto has 7 rings....10 appearances in Championship games. Statistically...best ever. (.861 win pct....by far the best in history).
Have you seen Otto play?
No, not really interested in pre-SB history. We might as well compare WW1 to today's weapons.
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Otto has 7 rings....10 appearances in Championship games. Statistically...best ever. (.861 win pct....by far the best in history).
Have you seen Otto play?
No, not really interested in pre-SB history. We might as well compare WW1 to today's weapons.
No, not really interested in pre-SB history. We might as well compare WW1 to today's weapons.
Just because it does not interest you does not mean it does not exist. It just means you make an active choice to be ignorant of the facts.
And here is a clue to you about WWI weapons: they could kill the shit out of you. Right here, right now. They even used shit that was deadlier than weapons used today.... like mustard gas....stuff that is even illegal to use.
I mean there were certain techniques that Pre Super Bowl that would have been hell to play in today's game: like the head slap. The forearm shiver. The cut block. The Wedge.
They have changed rules.....not weapons (rules to open the game up to more scoring and for safety reasons). You still have running backs, tight ends, wide receivers (though they were sometimes call "halfbacks" "flankers" "split ends" etc. ) That has not changed in forever. In fact, with running QBs like Lamar Jackson and few others....they are going back to the way "weaponry" was deployed in the earlier years of the league....where the QB was a combination runner/passer.
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No, not really interested in pre-SB history. We might as well compare WW1 to today's weapons.
Just because it does not interest you does not mean it does not exist. It just means you make an active choice to be ignorant of the facts.
And here is a clue to you about WWI weapons: they could kill the shit out of you. Right here, right now. They even used shit that was deadlier than weapons used today.... like mustard gas....stuff that is even illegal to use.
I mean there were certain techniques that Pre Super Bowl that would have been hell to play in today's game: like the head slap. The forearm shiver. The cut block. The Wedge.
They have changed rules.....not weapons (rules to open the game up to more scoring and for safety reasons). You still have running backs, tight ends, wide receivers (though they were sometimes call "halfbacks" "flankers" "split ends" etc. ) That has not changed in forever. In fact, with running QBs like Lamar Jackson and few others....they are going back to the way "weaponry" was deployed in the earlier years of the league....where the QB was a combination runner/passer.
Just because it does not interest you does not mean it does not exist. It just means you make an active choice to be ignorant of the facts.
And here is a clue to you about WWI weapons: they could kill the shit out of you. Right here, right now. They even used shit that was deadlier than weapons used today.... like mustard gas....stuff that is even illegal to use.
I mean there were certain techniques that Pre Super Bowl that would have been hell to play in today's game: like the head slap. The forearm shiver. The cut block. The Wedge.
They have changed rules.....not weapons (rules to open the game up to more scoring and for safety reasons). You still have running backs, tight ends, wide receivers (though they were sometimes call "halfbacks" "flankers" "split ends" etc. ) That has not changed in forever. In fact, with running QBs like Lamar Jackson and few others....they are going back to the way "weaponry" was deployed in the earlier years of the league....where the QB was a combination runner/passer.
Feel free to compare the 50's to today's game, I'm not into it. But by no means, I'm telling you what to be into.
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