Baker Mayfield
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Why is it nobody ever mentions Peyton Manning playing in a crummy division? We are in the AFC NORTH, the toughest Division and the "experts" never mention how Peyton Manning played against shit teams? Nobody likes to give Cleveland any kind of credit at all and even if we win they have to find flaws in our victory. Yes we lost bad to the 2 games we lost against the 2 best teams. As far as Stephen A crack smoker goes and Collin Cowturd are called experts and never even played a sport. Cowturd is still crying Baker went on his show and didn't kiss his ass. GO BROWNS
Why is it nobody ever mentions Peyton Manning playing in a crummy division? We are in the AFC NORTH, the toughest Division and the "experts" never mention how Peyton Manning played against shit teams? Nobody likes to give Cleveland any kind of credit at all and even if we win they have to find flaws in our victory. Yes we lost bad to the 2 games we lost against the 2 best teams. As far as Stephen A crack smoker goes and Collin Cowturd are called experts and never even played a sport. Cowturd is still crying Baker went on his show and didn't kiss his ass. GO BROWNS
When I looked at our LB Corps heading into the regular season, the 1st thing I thought was we better score a ratload of points this year. While I LIKED our draft, I couldn't help thinking what happens if all the newbies being added/traded for at Safety get hurt (ie: Delpit, Harrison (2 games missed) and Karl Joseph (1-2 games)? Not only that, but Greedy Williams hasn't answered the bell at Corner yet so a team coming off only 6 wins has had to hit the depth chart in both the LB Corps and Secondary. Meaning? We better score even more points.
This offense has scored more points in 5 of the 7 games played vrs teams that didn't have elite defenses (the Colts had one but they were banged up & Safety Ronnie Harrison Jr scored for us on a pick 6 right before he got a concussion). The 2 teams that did have elite defenses are in the AFC North (to your point) and the Browns got rathoused.
The pleasant surprise of it all? The defense was leading the NFL in turnovers produced for much of this time. Not only that, but the offense is set-up to where injuries to guys like Chubb, Hooper, Teller and OBJ didn't stop the offense from doing what it had to to win.
As far as expectations go, I don't think this team is ready to compete for a conference championship yet. I predicted 9-7, which would be far more fun than we've had in a long time here. This team reminds me of 85 Browns where both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece; and helped us make the playoffs with an 8-8 record in Kosar's rookie season. The next year we added OC Lindy Infante; and the team made it's first of 3 AFC Championship appearances in the late 80s. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see this team make it to the Conference Championship this year; but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed by unrealistic expectations.
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EXACTLY I in no way expected us to make it to the SB or even the AFC championship but we are doing way better than we have in years yet peple are saying clearly Baker is not the answer smh, How may other qb have we had thet even started this many games? Because he could not beat even weak teams let alone than the top teams. Have to take Baby steps before we can even walk and Fuck the Steelers and Ratbirds too, I hope they take turns knocking each other out of the game today, speaking of I am shocked the NFL did not flex their game?
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Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
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Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
What do you mean? It is a battle for FIRST PLACE in the NFC East!!!
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Speaking of shitty scheduled games, tonights Sunday Night game is Dallas vs Philadelphia. ?
What do you mean? It is a battle for FIRST PLACE in the NFC East!!!
What do you mean? It is a battle for FIRST PLACE in the NFC East!!!
Besides I have WR on my FFL that plays for Philly. That makes it more interesting.?
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I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens. Gotta have a defense...and we certainly don't.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
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I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens. Gotta have a defense...and we certainly don't.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens
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I'm not even going to comment about Baker today. I thought he did pretty well and did enough to win. His team let him down, which sucks, but it definitely happens. Gotta have a defense...and we certainly don't.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
No, the best part of today is that the Browns get 2 weeks off to get healthy, make adjustments and get their minds right.
They need all three, and this bye week could not have came at a better time.
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The worst part is that we have to wait 2 weeks. They can't just get back to work.
No, the best part of today is that the Browns get 2 weeks off to get healthy, make adjustments and get their minds right.
They need all three, and this bye week could not have came at a better time.
No, the best part of today is that the Browns get 2 weeks off to get healthy, make adjustments and get their minds right.
They need all three, and this bye week could not have came at a better time.
In a way you're definitely right. We need to get healthy and we're definitely not, but we also lost a pretty bad one and it's going to marinate for a bit. I hate it for this team that they have to go into the bye week with this bad taste in their mouth, but perhaps it will galvanize them.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
No, you aren't.
Many of us see flaws in his game like his ability to pass out of the pocket consistently well.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite, looks like a robot. I don't mind Baker not being a robot, but... He should exercise his footwork.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite, looks like a robot. I don't mind Baker not being a robot, but... He should exercise his footwork.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite, looks like a robot. I don't mind Baker not being a robot, but... He should exercise his footwork.
Exorcise???
He has happy feet. And some of the awful passes he makes is because he doesn't set himself properly in a balanced passing stance. Brady is quite opposite...
Did you see this in the LV game? I ask because our OL pitched the proverbial shutout... 0 sacks... 0 knockdowns... 0 pressures... 0 hurries. PFF gave us the highest PassPro grade they have given since 2013. https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/03/browns-offensive-line-pass-protection-vs-raiders-no-pressure/
We all know a relatively calm 2018 Mayfield earned his happy-feet behind our 2019 sieve. While he's shown them in 2020, it'd take a while to get 2019 out of his head. Personally I see improvement in the first 3 seconds of his dropbacks. After that? Well... it's time to move anyway.
As for Brady... TB12 does often bounce on his toes in the pocket, which I understand is different from happyfeet... buy he also has one other thing that can't be taught to Baker... height. At 6'4-3/8" (Combine measured) he can see things over the line that Baker will always have to search for between helmets.
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
No. You are not, and if you like Burrows, then you should watch the kid that plays for the Chargers...
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Am I the only one that thinks Baker has a ways to go in becoming a legit pocket passer. His footwork is all over the place. When you look at Burrows and Baker. Burrows looks like a young Brady in the pocket. Baker looks like a nervous Chihuahua at times. He threw a pass on Sunday with his footwork all out of wack and his shoulder completely open, and missed the throw.
No. You are not, and if you like Burrows, then you should watch the kid that plays for the Chargers...
you should watch the kid that plays for the Chargers...
Read an article last week on why Herbert is having unexpected early success with LAC.
Bottom line was that at Oregon he was in a system that was ill-suited to his skill set.
That said.... still early yet.
Remember it was just two years ago a fresh, young QB set the rookie TD record.
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you should watch the kid that plays for the Chargers...
Read an article last week on why Herbert is having unexpected early success with LAC.
Bottom line was that at Oregon he was in a system that was ill-suited to his skill set.
That said.... still early yet.
Remember it was just two years ago a fresh, young QB set the rookie TD record.
Read an article last week on why Herbert is having unexpected early success with LAC.
Bottom line was that at Oregon he was in a system that was ill-suited to his skill set.
That said.... still early yet.
Remember it was just two years ago a fresh, young QB set the rookie TD record.
Not sure who wrote what, but for me it's simple. He passes my eye test - big time. If I had to place a bet on any of the young QBs to still be in the league in 10 years (ours included), Justin gets all my chips.
We'll revisit this post in 3,650 days... ?
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By definition, to be average Baker would be somewhere around the 15th or 16th best QB in the NFL. Do you think he is?
Let's look. By the ratings (and I realize you can argue the ratings alone doesn't always tell the full story but it's a good start)...
R. Wilson
Mahomes
Rogers
Carr
Tannehill
D. Watson
Brees
Herbert
Brady
J. Allen
Big Ben
Dak
Kyle Allen
Bridgewater
N. Mullens
M. Ryan
Rivers
Fitzpatrick
Stafford
Goff
Minshew
L. Jackson
K. Murray
Jimmy G
Cousins
Burrow
Baker
Tua
Kaskins
Foles
Driskel
Tyrod Taylor
Dan Jones
Cam Newton
Wentz
That puts him at 27, which is far below average. And looking at the order of the list, it passes my eye test as far as being accurate in determining quality of play. I'd move a few up or down a few spots, but it's pretty on the $.
So even if you can argue Baker maybe a few spots better, he's still around the 25th best or so. Is that acceptable for the 1st pick overall in the draft halfway through his 3rd season? If the Browns were told,"By his 3rd season, Baker will be the 27th rated passer" would they have taken him #1 overall?
Of course, I am in no way suggesting now would be the time for a change, no way. He gets at least this season to show what he has got, barring him just falling of a cliff, especially considering we have to see of the passing game blossoms without forcing it to OBJ so often. (But others say the passing attack will suffer sans OBJ.) The 2nd half of this season is huge in determining Baker's future. As things stand, his last year option is probably safe, but if he doesn't ascend from where he is now, a big, new franchise QB deal is not likely. Baker, it's time. You are at a crossroad.
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Right now Baker is just a guy that is good enough to get the job done, he is not going to carve up a defense like a Manning or Brady. He is what he is, unless he steps up his game big time, he is not going to be the future of this franchise. I mean I like the guy he is competitive but competitiveness will only get you so far in this league.
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Baker's team is 5-3 and would be in the playoffs, much of which is based on an offense that he is the leader of.
That is all I need to know.
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