People who always have excuses annoy me.
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There has been some scuttlebutt that Mangini orchestrated the radio silence. It's been well documented that Derek has had a problem dealing with high stress situations, including at least one incident involving an outage with his helmet receiver. It's theoretically an extension of the (music at practice, running plays in the rain, etc.) stress tests that Mangini is so fond of.
This is purely ESPN850 conjecture at the moment, but a fun thought nonetheless.
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I missed that on 850 today, but I came home a little early. If that is why it happened, I say tip of the cap to Mangini. As you said, DA has struggled with this, and Mangini was trying to make this a game like situation.
If I assume that is the case, my response would remain the same, in that I more read into the comment about Quinn telling his sides D what the hand signals meant, and it being "unfair". Maybe it's me, but I'd want my "leader" doing that. If DA wasn't enough of a team leader to try and coach up D to try and win, do I want him as my QB? To me it is the old thinking that a QB is the leader of a team, not just the O. Or of course the baseball player/fan in me says "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying to win" (like stealing signals). I want my QB trying to win in any way he can help his team. It's what leaders do imo.
Masters said:
I missed that on 850 today, but I came home a little early. If that is why it happened, I say tip of the cap to Mangini. As you said, DA has struggled with this, and Mangini was trying to make this a game like situation.If I assume that is the case, my response would remain the same, in that I more read into the comment about Quinn telling his sides D what the hand signals meant, and it being "unfair". Maybe it's me, but I'd want my "leader" doing that. If DA wasn't enough of a team leader to try and coach up D to try and win, do I want him as my QB? To me it is the old thinking that a QB is the leader of a team, not just the O. Or of course the baseball player/fan in me says "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying to win" (like stealing signals). I want my QB trying to win in any way he can help his team. It's what leaders do imo.
I think you guys are reading this wrong.
DA wasn't saying it was unfair or Quinn did something wrong...he was just saying the problems his side had in getting the plays.
Of course Quinn should have told the signals...we wanted his side to win....and they almost did.
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I have also noticed that Da has been showing occasional signs of pressure from the competition and has given off some rather frustrated displays in word and action at times and no DA has never been the type of guy to totally man up and take the whole blame there always seems to be something else that happened...
I dont know how mangini looks upon these things that a quarterback says or does under competitive pressure but we do know he is looking and listening...
BQ seems to always say the right things and is football smart but he needs to start showing us and mangini why he should be the starter by taking control on the field and leading the charge not just giving us sweet lip service...
Both guys are feeling the heat BQ looks fidgety and looks like he is trying to hard to be safe and smart with the ball and DA looks desperate and even frustrated when things dont go 100% the way he planned in his mind upon release...hehehehe
The thing we have to keep in mind is both these guys are young and relative newcomers to the sport i pretty much discount last year and realize with time DA can be at very least a very good qb but old habits seem to die hard with him coach being honest with him and making him stay off the field until he corrects a few things is the way to get DA working harder...
BQ we cant really say what he brings to the table yet as a benchrot pro in a new offense until he gets some real playing time...
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Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....
People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
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Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....
People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
Masters said:
Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
According to Chud, Anderson actually dislocated a finger on his throwing hand in the Indy game.
But the trainer popped it back in and he kept playing.
Never heard him bitch about it at all.
And he certainly didn't throw it out as an excuse a'la the Tragic Quinnie Fingertip story.
No wonder teammates prefer DA.
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Masters said:
Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
According to Chud, Anderson actually dislocated a finger on his throwing hand in the Indy game.
But the trainer popped it back in and he kept playing.
Never heard him bitch about it at all.
And he certainly didn't throw it out as an excuse a'la the Tragic Quinnie Fingertip story.
No wonder teammates prefer DA.
According to Chud, Anderson actually dislocated a finger on his throwing hand in the Indy game.
But the trainer popped it back in and he kept playing.
Never heard him bitch about it at all.
And he certainly didn't throw it out as an excuse a'la the Tragic Quinnie Fingertip story.
No wonder teammates prefer DA.
*sigh*
Which finger was it?
Where is this quote from Chud (and yeah, it's usually the OC that talks about an injury...)
You do know the difference between breaking a finger, along with tearing tendons, and dislocating a finger don't you?
Quinn never used it as an excuse.
Who are these teammate who prefer Quinn or DA exactly?
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According to Chud, Anderson actually dislocated a finger on his throwing hand in the Indy game.
But the trainer popped it back in and he kept playing.
Never heard him bitch about it at all.
And he certainly didn't throw it out as an excuse a'la the Tragic Quinnie Fingertip story.
No wonder teammates prefer DA.
*sigh*
Which finger was it?
Where is this quote from Chud (and yeah, it's usually the OC that talks about an injury...)
You do know the difference between breaking a finger, along with tearing tendons, and dislocating a finger don't you?
Quinn never used it as an excuse.
Who are these teammate who prefer Quinn or DA exactly?
Masters said:
You do know the difference between breaking a finger, along with tearing tendons, and dislocating a finger don't you?yeah reportedly Quinn's boo boo was basically a dull persistent soreness and Anderson's dislocation probably hurt like a mother effer.
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Masters said:
You do know the difference between breaking a finger, along with tearing tendons, and dislocating a finger don't you?yeah reportedly Quinn's boo boo was basically a dull persistent soreness and Anderson's dislocation probably hurt like a mother effer.
yeah reportedly Quinn's boo boo was basically a dull persistent soreness and Anderson's dislocation probably hurt like a mother effer.
LMFAO...a dull persistent soreness that required surgery by Dr. James Andrews.
As usual, way to hind from everything else in the post.
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Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....
People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
Masters said:
Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
even after that rant, my point still stands. have a look in the mirror....
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Masters said:
Try throwing a football with a swollen finger on your throwing hand. Better yet, go break your index finger and damage tendons in it, then try and throw a spiral. Let me know how that works out for you.....People would be hypocrytes if they didn't give DA the same slack if he was injured and then threw badly. That's not the case.
even after that rant, my point still stands. have a look in the mirror....
even after that rant, my point still stands. have a look in the mirror....
That was hardly a rant and your point is still flawed. Here are a couple of tidbits for you buddy:
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
— hypocrite adjective
Main Entry: 1rant
Pronunciation: \ˈrant\
Function: verb
Etymology: obsolete Dutch ranten, randen
Date: 1601
intransitive verb
1 : to talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner
2 : to scold vehemently
transitive verb
: to utter in a bombastic declamatory fashion
— rant·er noun
— rant·ing·ly \ˈran-tiŋ-lē\ adverb
Don't use words whose meaning you don't know or understand.
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Masters said:
LMFAO...a dull persistent soreness that required surgery by Dr. James Andrews.As usual, way to hind from everything else in the post.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
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Masters said:
LMFAO...a dull persistent soreness that required surgery by Dr. James Andrews.As usual, way to hind from everything else in the post.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
I have no idea what children or the commonality of a broken finger has to do with playing QB in the NFL. You, me, kids playing out side, my dog, etc., then don't have to throw a football at a NFL level.
We know it was a break that caused tendon damange and required surgury. So that kind of gives you an idea about how bad it must be, since you just pointed out how must people get broken fingers and just live with it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3727363
and a little extra tidbit from that article "Quinn refused to blame the injury after the game for his poor performance"
By the way, I wasn't the one making a big deal out of a broken bone in a finger, the Browns, Brady Quinn, and the doctors did. They shut him down and advised surgery, not me. In this thread I pulled up the broken bone when someone cried hypocracy about the treatment of Quinn vs. Anderson when talking excuses.
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Masters said:
LMFAO...a dull persistent soreness that required surgery by Dr. James Andrews.As usual, way to hind from everything else in the post.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
Thanks lum.
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Why are you even arguing with Lumnuts and a guy who calls himself "Drunkandstoopid"? Just pointless!
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Masters said:
LMFAO...a dull persistent soreness that required surgery by Dr. James Andrews.As usual, way to hind from everything else in the post.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
First off, you'll need to talk to the team, the doctor and BQ about WHY the surgery was done. You're making a big deal about a broken bone in the throwing hand... guess what, broken bones in the hands are very, very common... amongst children. Happens all the time. They usually live with it. We have know idea what kind of break it was, if it was something they'd send everyone in for surgery if they had it, or if they decided it was time for Brady to sit and might as well have the surgery to prevent a re-break come spring training. Unless I missed the quote along the lines that BQ's hand was desperately in need of surgery, we really don't know if it was a break that generally would have been surgically treated.
Dude, the guy has to throw an odd-shaped ball with the highest level of accuracy required of just about any sport, while moving, and has to put pressure and touch on the ball. I don't give a flying rat's c0ck if children break their fingers and "live with it", they also don't have to play quarterback on the highest level on earth for a living.
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@jadbf said:
I'll remind my 3 year old next time he gets a boo boo that it's not excuse for the fact he still can't hit me accurately on the 15 yard out......Really??? WTH were you trying to say in this post????
I am jealous that I did not think of that response. Damn not having kids.
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@jadbf said:
Really??? WTH were you trying to say in this post????It didn't come across right, but what I was attempting to say is that we don't know how much the break effected his throwing. He'd been cleared by his doctors, his coaches, and himself, to keep playing on it initially. I do think Lums tends to overplay the "excuse" portion of his argument when it comes to Quinn's finger. We just don't know how much it affected his game.
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Masters said:
You do know the difference between breaking a finger, along with tearing tendons, and dislocating a finger don't you?yeah reportedly Quinn's boo boo was basically a dull persistent soreness and Anderson's dislocation probably hurt like a mother effer.
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@jadbf said:
Really??? WTH were you trying to say in this post????It didn't come across right, but what I was attempting to say is that we don't know how much the break effected his throwing. He'd been cleared by his doctors, his coaches, and himself, to keep playing on it initially. I do think Lums tends to overplay the "excuse" portion of his argument when it comes to Quinn's finger. We just don't know how much it affected his game.
It didn't come across right, but what I was attempting to say is that we don't know how much the break effected his throwing. He'd been cleared by his doctors, his coaches, and himself, to keep playing on it initially. I do think Lums tends to overplay the "excuse" portion of his argument when it comes to Quinn's finger. We just don't know how much it affected his game.
They also told him it could get worse with contact. Obviously it became an issue if he was shut down and sent to surgery. Teams don't do that over little issues. Not during a season.
Details are in the article I put a link up for.
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@jadbf said:
Really??? WTH were you trying to say in this post????It didn't come across right, but what I was attempting to say is that we don't know how much the break effected his throwing. He'd been cleared by his doctors, his coaches, and himself, to keep playing on it initially. I do think Lums tends to overplay the "excuse" portion of his argument when it comes to Quinn's finger. We just don't know how much it affected his game.
We just don't know how much it affected his game.
It was the index finger on his throwing hand, you know the finger you predominately use when throwing an accurate ball, the same one Dr Andrews said was close to causing permanent nerve damage. Yeah, that's the same as blaming the headset for throwing a ball right to a defender.
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