Survey Thursday 4/22

[The Gipper]

Article on the "worst player in every team's history"  where they named  Manziel.   (Hell....he was not the worst pick of that draft...that is also the Justin Gilbert draft) 

https://thesportsdrop.com/the-worst-players-in-each-nfl-teams-history/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo.com|c&utm_campaign=NFL_Worst_Players_OY_4

[The Gipper]

TJ Ward career stats.   Definitely a dropoff after leaving Cleveland I believe. 

Defense & Fumbles

 

• * Selected to Pro Bowl, + First-Team All-Pro
•  

	Games	Def Interceptions	Fumbles		Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career				107	99	8	211	1	44	44	10	0	4	53	1	8.5	607	458	149	29	19		46
4 yrs	CLE			54	54	5	133	1	44	22	5	0	1	51	1	3.5	342	248	94	17	6		26
3 yrs	DEN			41	41	3	78	0	37	19	5	0	2	0	0	5.0	222	179	43	11	13		18
1 yr	TAM			12	4	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	2	0	0.0	43	31	12	1	0		2
2010	24	CLE	SS	43	16	16	2	39	0	23	10	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	123	95	28	4	0		6
2011	25	CLE	FS	43	8	8	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	1.0	39	28	11	2	1		4
2012	26	CLE	SS	43	14	14	1	37	0	37	4	3	0	0	0	0	1.0	68	50	18	2	3		6
2013*	27	CLE	SS	43	16	16	2	57	1	44	5	0	0	1	51	1	1.5	112	75	37	9	2		10
2014*	28	DEN	SS	43	15	15	2	55	0	37	5						2.0	74	60	14	6	5		7
2015	29	DEN	SS	43	12	12	0	0	0	0	6	2	0	0	0	0	2.0	61	50	11	4	3		5
2016	30	DEN	SS	43	14	14	1	23	0	23	8	3	0	2	0	0	1.0	87	69	18	1	5		6
2017	31	TAM		43	12	4	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	2	0	0.0	43	31	12	1	0		2

[The Gipper]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-ex-ohio-state-quarterback-192125608.html

Article on Field's Epilepsy.

[nickers]

.  Do you see the Browns making any kind of trade of their top draft pick.  If so,  what would be the nature of the trade?

Yes I believe something involving Njoku and OBJ still remains on the table.. But not definite...

2. It has been revealed that Justin Field has been diagnosed with Epilepsy.    How do you feel this should affect his draft status?

Let the kid play...

3. Former Browns  Safety TJ Ward has officially retired.   What do you think about that?

Good for TJ...

4.  Adrian Peterson is still out looking for an NFL gig.  Should a team sign him, or should he just retire?

Retire with dgnity

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

Agree but Justin Gilbert and Cory Coleman come to mind as well...

6.  In Europe,  about a dozen of the top money  European soccer teams are trying to form a "Super League",  where they just play each other, and make their own TV deals, and, of course, try to keep ALL the money.     Could you see something like that being attempted by any of the teams in the major  North American Sports Leagues?  Where say all the "Big market" teams, join together and say  "we don't need all these small market teams,  let's just us 10-12  teams  form a league and play each other and  keep all the piles of cash"?   

Yes cash rules everything...

[TexasAg1969]

1.  Do you see the Browns making any kind of trade of their top draft pick.  If so,  what would be the nature of the trade?

Same as you Gip-if there is a player they think Pitt will take that they truly think is their best player for the team, they will spend some of those extra picks to move ahead.

2. It has been revealed that Justin Field has been diagnosed with Epilepsy.    How do you feel this should affect his draft status?

Easily controlled with meds-no effect on draft status.

3. Former Browns  Safety TJ Ward has officially retired.   What do you think about that?

Good for him.

4.  Adrian Peterson is still out looking for an NFL gig.  Should a team sign him, or should he just retire?

If he is willing to take 3rd string pay, fine with me.

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

Just one of the more recent and because he was a QB. But the one we took before him in that draft (#8) was far worse-Justin "head case" Gilbert.

6.  In Europe,  about a dozen of the top money  European soccer teams are trying to form a "Super League",  where they just play each other, and make their own TV deals, and, of course, try to keep ALL the money.     Could you see something like that being attempted by any of the teams in the major  North American Sports Leagues?  Where say all the "Big market" teams, join together and say  "we don't need all these small market teams,  let's just us 10-12  teams  form a league and play each other and  keep all the piles of cash"?    

No.

[SdBacker80]

@the-gipper said:

Here is a survey for this week.  Give your answers or opinions:

1.  Do you see the Browns making any kind of trade of their top draft pick.  If so,  what would be the nature of the trade?

16-19 for a top WR or DB.  More likely DB.

2. It has been revealed that Justin Field has been diagnosed with Epilepsy.    How do you feel this should affect his draft status?

He’s an intriguing prospect regardless.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being the top QB in this class.  I’m hoping Atlanta and he sits behind Matty Ice for a year. 

3. Former Browns  Safety TJ Ward has officially retired.   What do you think about that?

I thought he retired a few years ago.

4.  Adrian Peterson is still out looking for an NFL gig.  Should a team sign him, or should he just retire?

He looked like he still had something in the tank last season.

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

He shares the honor with Brandon Weeden (28 year old draft prospect!!), Justin Gilbert and Brady Quinn. 

6.  In Europe,  about a dozen of the top money  European soccer teams are trying to form a "Super League",  where they just play each other, and make their own TV deals, and, of course, try to keep ALL the money.     Could you see something like that being attempted by any of the teams in the major  North American Sports Leagues?  Where say all the "Big market" teams, join together and say  "we don't need all these small market teams,  let's just us 10-12  teams  form a league and play each other and  keep all the piles of cash"?   
 

Not sure but MLB maybe.

[TexasAg1969]

@sdbacker80 said:

He shares the honor with Brandon Weeden (28 year old draft prospect!!), Justin Gilbert and Brady Quinn. 

I'll buy that.

[Canton Mike]

@nickers said:

.  Do you see the Browns making any kind of trade of their top draft pick.  If so,  what would be the nature of the trade?

Yes I believe something involving Njoku and OBJ still remains on the table.. But not definite...

2. It has been revealed that Justin Field has been diagnosed with Epilepsy.    How do you feel this should affect his draft status?

Let the kid play...

3. Former Browns  Safety TJ Ward has officially retired.   What do you think about that?

Good for TJ...

4.  Adrian Peterson is still out looking for an NFL gig.  Should a team sign him, or should he just retire?

Retire with dgnity

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

Agree but Justin Gilbert and Cory Coleman come to mind as well...

6.  In Europe,  about a dozen of the top money  European soccer teams are trying to form a "Super League",  where they just play each other, and make their own TV deals, and, of course, try to keep ALL the money.     Could you see something like that being attempted by any of the teams in the major  North American Sports Leagues?  Where say all the "Big market" teams, join together and say  "we don't need all these small market teams,  let's just us 10-12  teams  form a league and play each other and  keep all the piles of cash"?   

Yes cash rules everything...

We absolutely agree on 1 thru 5. Who knows on #6?

Mike

[nickers]

@canton-mike said:

We absolutely agree on 1 thru 5. Who knows on #6?

Mike

Well... cash is usually the deciding factor in things... So yes,,, I see something like that happening here... its only a matter of when.. not if....

[Unsympathetic]

I'd like to win money making a prop bet that both QB's in a playoff game will pass for "more than 00 yards"

[mjp28]

@nickers said:

Well... cash is usually the deciding factor in things... So yes,,, I see something like that happening here... its only a matter of when.. not if....

When you come right down to it $MONEY$  is the lifeblood of all sports from pee-wee to high school to college to professional play for money sports.

Without cash and/or the efforts of volunteers or paid to play sports it all comes to a grinding stop if the funding stops.

Something to think about.   

[mjp28]

@unsympathetic said:

I'd like to win money making a prop bet that both QB's in a playoff game will pass for "more than 00 yards"

Like betting on will the sun will come up tomorrow...... nobody will underwrite that bet.

There must be a win/lose element in it for a bet to occur, and often some "juice" in it for the underwriter.

[ballpeen]

@the-gipper said:

Here is a survey for this week.  Give your answers or opinions:

1.  Do you see the Browns making any kind of trade of their top draft pick.  If so,  what would be the nature of the trade?

I see a good chance of trading down in to the 2nd round.

2. It has been revealed that Justin Field has been diagnosed with Epilepsy.    How do you feel this should affect his draft status?

It can't help.  I don't know how easy it is to manage to speculate on if it will hurt.

3. Former Browns  Safety TJ Ward has officially retired.   What do you think about that?

I don't care.

4.  Adrian Peterson is still out looking for an NFL gig.  Should a team sign him, or should he just retire?

He's done.  Somebody may sign him.

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

Mike Junkin might have been worse

6.  In Europe,  about a dozen of the top money  European soccer teams are trying to form a "Super League",  where they just play each other, and make their own TV deals, and, of course, try to keep ALL the money.     Could you see something like that being attempted by any of the teams in the major  North American Sports Leagues?  Where say all the "Big market" teams, join together and say  "we don't need all these small market teams,  let's just us 10-12  teams  form a league and play each other and  keep all the piles of cash"?   

Pro leagues, probably not.They need all the teams to make it work.  The NCAA, I could see that.  I could see the SEC as an example just doing their own thing, then inviting select others...like OSU to join and play using their own rules and telling the NCAA to take a hike.

[The Gipper]

Pro leagues, probably not.They need all the teams to make it work.  The NCAA, I could see that.  I could see the SEC as an example just doing their own thing, then inviting select others...like OSU to join and play using their own rules and telling the NCAA to take a hike.

Actually,  since this is a money thing,  the Big Ten is actually a bigger revenue producer than the SEC:

Power Five NCAA conferences generated more than $2.9 billion in combined revenue for the 2019 fiscal year, according to federal tax records obtained by USA TODAY. The Big Ten Conference reported more than $780 million in revenue, the most of any conference, with the SEC second at just shy of $721 million.

What could happen is that  like  30 of the big name schools could coalesce and  go for all the money.  But, I don't know.....as TxAg says,  some of these schools have their own sweetheart deals that they may not want to share even with the other big boys.   Like Texas.

[The Gipper]

Overall top earners in college athletics:

Before we explore this topic in detail, let's look at how much money the top 20 earners in college athletics made in 2018-19:

• University of Texas: $223,879,781
• Texas A&M University: $212,748,002
• The Ohio State University: $210,548,239
• University of Michigan: $197,820,410
• University of Georgia: $174,042,482
• Penn State University: $164,529,326
• University of Alabama: $164,090,889
• University of Oklahoma: $163,126,695
• University of Florida: $159,706,937
• Louisiana State University: $157,787,782

• University of Wisconsin: $157,660,107
• Florida State University: $152,757,883
• Auburn University: $152,455,416
• University of Iowa: $151,976,026
• University of Kentucky: $150,435,842
• University of Tennessee: $143,765,903
• University of South Carolina: $140,695,659
• Michigan State University: $140,010,865
• University of Louisville: $139,955,824
• University of Arkansas: $137,497,788

[TexasAg1969]

Zombo said:

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

I think you merge the three #22 boys, Quinn, Weeden and Manziel together and build a monument to its futility.

You know in order to move ahead of Pittspuke this year we could make a trade with a very needy Tenn. team. 

Oh don't worry-they are at #22.??

[TexasAg1969]

@the-gipper said:

Overall top earners in college athletics:

Before we explore this topic in detail, let's look at how much money the top 20 earners in college athletics made in 2018-19:

Texas A&M University: $212,748,002

And believe me when I say you have to pay through the nose through "donations" just to get on the list to "maybe" get decent season tickets for which they then charge an arm & a leg. Too many body part missing for my taste, so I look to make a deal for individual tickets via the internet.

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

And believe me when I say you have to pay through the nose through "donations" just to get on the list to "maybe" get decent season tickets for which they then charge an arm & a leg. Too many body part missing for my taste, so I look to make a deal for individual tickets via the internet.

All that money. So little results. 

[TexasAg1969]

@the-gipper said:

All that money. So little results. 

This COVID year they only lost to Bama and finished #4 overall, so they actually got results better than before they opened the new "House That Johnny Built". Johnny's best was #5 with a win @ Bama. They got screwed out of the final 4. ND had no business there with a season ending loss.

[browns52]

@the-gipper said:

Here is a survey for this week.  Give your answers or opinions:

1.  Do you see the Browns making any kind of trade of their top draft pick.  If so,  what would be the nature of the trade?

2. It has been revealed that Justin Field has been diagnosed with Epilepsy.    How do you feel this should affect his draft status?

3. Former Browns  Safety TJ Ward has officially retired.   What do you think about that?

4.  Adrian Peterson is still out looking for an NFL gig.  Should a team sign him, or should he just retire?

5.  In one publication,  Johnny Manziel was named the worst draft pick in Browns history.   Agree?  Disagree?  Or who would you give that label too?

6.  In Europe,  about a dozen of the top money  European soccer teams are trying to form a "Super League",  where they just play each other, and make their own TV deals, and, of course, try to keep ALL the money.     Could you see something like that being attempted by any of the teams in the major  North American Sports Leagues?  Where say all the "Big market" teams, join together and say  "we don't need all these small market teams,  let's just us 10-12  teams  form a league and play each other and  keep all the piles of cash"?   

5......lots of bad draft picks...i agree with all of them that was stated....i have to say, the worse trade in pro sports, in my opinion, at least as far as the browns, was mike oliphant for byner....one of the worse trades ever in pro sports...well, maybe not as bad when the cubs traded lou brock to saint louie for for for...well i don't even know who for....but it could not have been good because the cubs were still shitty during that era....