2021 Browns OTA's/rolls into Mandatory Camp

gumby73

@unsympathetic said:

But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!

Cap Guru.. no conspiracy.."Players play to get paid" they pay Agents their bucks to do so...Are you always standing on your cap management degree? side <=>?...If so? Fine you!

We had all the cap money we needed to add Clowney & re-do Shelton...still do.. more next cap season.. Richardson needed to consider a Browns restruct on his final year..Agreed! Period!

What really did Happen in Berry's defense? now we have a 'conspiracy guessing game'.. that's all

Signed,

The ? of Gipper...

gumby73

Here..... we have DC Joe Woods... saying all the right things?

Gold Star ? to Tony Grossi.. 2 good questions

bjh2130

@unsympathetic said:

So.. Instead of assuming Berea was actively trying to restructure [formal and easily verifiable offers to his agent and him, etc] to avoid cutting, you're assuming a deliberate/conspiratorial intent to sabotage? Everyone released this offseason would have a tough time getting money elsewhere because the cap dropped.. the timing wouldn't matter much. Olivier Vernon remains unsigned..

And - Richardson was released just 2 days after signing Clowney. I really do think that Berry was focused on the acquisitions.. then completed the paperwork on Clowney, and wanted to sleep on the cut decision to make sure it's correct.

But if the conspiracy makes you happy, go for it!

No I don't believe it was some conspiracy. Never did I say that. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty". Hence why I've said it's business in two of my posts and I don't fault the Browns for it at all. Yes the cap dropped we all know that but if you want to believe it wouldn't be easier to get money if you were negotiating when everyone has their full budget then go for it. Obviously Sheldon Richardson a very much respected vet around the league feels a certain way.

Dutch Oven

@bjh2130 said:

No I don't believe it was some conspiracy. Never did I say that. It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty". Hence why I've said it's business in two of my posts and I don't fault the Browns for it at all. Yes the cap dropped we all know that but if you want to believe it wouldn't be easier to get money if you were negotiating when everyone has their full budget then go for it. Obviously Sheldon Richardson a very much respected vet around the league feels a certain way.

Yeah, I have no idea how he's coming up with regarding your theory as a "conspiracy", but how and when the Browns cut him did screw him out of the chance of entering free agency at the more lucrative beginning. I also have no idea how Richardson supposedly "stole" money from the Browns. Guy was a solid player.

gumby73

I know i don't 'speak type' to well nor spell ? But Damm' it... You media creeps need to ask the right questions... or I'm coming in ?

Here....We had Berry on the hook ?... and we let Berry get away!

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/cleveland-browns-sheldon-richardson-split-166573171

gumby73

How Mandatory camp ended ? And 5 camp takes https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-takeaways-from-browns-minicamp

Your all in luck ? ...Gumby's off to Kitty Hawk & the Outer Banks.. Enjoy your Fathers Day! ? 6 long weeks to.............Go Browns ! Stay Chill'in ...... 7 Awesome Beachfront Restaurants In North Carolina

Unsympathetic

@bjh2130 said:

It doesn't have to be intentional for it to be doing a player "dirty"

And so your plan for dealing with Richardson [to not do him dirty] is.. to cut him before the start of FA - before Browns had signed any other offseason free agent? That seems.. unwise, because then Berry would open Browns to the possibility of no FA's signed and Richardson cut. If that's not your plan to accomplish not doing him dirty.. then what is? [Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson and Shelby Harris all signed on first day of FA period, those are the big deals] If there's no other option.. then Berry couldn't have done him dirty because Berry simply executed his only move.

The reason the concept of doing dirty is a conspiracy theory is because you're asserting after the fact that some action was possible which is..... absolutely not a thing. There's not a doing of anything to Richardson.. there's neither emotion nor directionality [towards Sheldon] involved. There's zero universes where Berry cuts Richardson before ensuring all the FA paperwork had gone through. I'd bet without Clowney, Richardson is restructured [clowney is only 3.9 this season, richardson was 11] and stays.

This is the tightrope of a high salary -- very few others would be interested in it, and even fewer could actually pay it simply based on other commitments even if so inclined. Also, this entire concept seems to memory-hole the reality that Richardson's contract was an intentional overpay at its start and was never going to be matched elsewhere... and under more competent management was therefore very likely to be ended with a cut anyway.

If you want to think the doing dirty theory is true no matter what evidence is presented.. then you're assuming a lot more negative intent and directionality than is actually there - in both business and personal life. And you're welcome to it.. but that's a pretty bleak world!

Canton Mike

@gumby73 said:

How Mandatory camp ended ? And 5 camp takes https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-takeaways-from-browns-minicamp

Your all in luck ? ...Gumby's off to Kitty Hawk & the Outer Banks.. Enjoy your Fathers Day! ? 6 long weeks to.............Go Browns ! Stay Chill'in ......

Hey Gumby,

Head over to The Black Pelican & have the blackened Tuna with Salsa.....I swear that I could eat that every day!!! Sadly, we can't make it down there this year, but NEXT year hopefully...

Mike

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:

We had all the cap money we needed to add Clowney & re-do Shelton...still do.. more next cap season.

You did see where we are now in extension talks with Chubb, didn't you?

And he'll be cheap compared to Baker.

Tour2ma

Meanwhile back at the thread...

Nice little wrap-up, Mandy-Mini article including other FA fish in the sea...

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/LongFormArticle/Cleveland-Browns-So-Minicamp-Is-Done-Any-Potential-Free-Agents-Of-Interest-Remaining-166681718/#166681718_7

It'll put a smile on your faces...

Have a blast, gumster... taking a surf rod with you?

Orion

@bjh2130 said:

I remember having a discussion with gip and I believe ag when this happened and they mentioned the hope of resigning him.

...I was also one with hopes. Because he was a good player for us. When other guys on the DL were missing time with dings & dents, he was out on the field to be reckoned with. He was / is good. He was the type of guy that you wanted on your team. I guess he deserved better from us.

gumby73

@canton-mike said:

Gumby,

Head over to The Black Pelican & have the blackened Tuna with Salsa.....

Mike

Great Place! On the family docket for Saturday evening and plus+.. https://nagsheadguide.com/blackpelican/menus I've ate over half this menu, in trips.. Gulfstream Tuna Bites is my good start favorite..

Family always, Takes-out a Pizza for next days snack when leaving.. they are awesome too!

@tour2ma said:

Have a blast, gumster... taking a surf rod with you?

Sure did! And never leave home without it! in water by 7AM

@tour2ma said:

You did see where we are now in extension talks with Chubb, didn't you?

And he'll be cheap compared to Baker.

Can we finally talk some football ? ? Pay the talented Men! we've seen enough dark years without this kind of roster... Can't wait to see how Berry plans to balance the books after next season honestly.. Drafting hits* always matter.. seeing Teller/Tretter/Hunt/ect. behind them ? The high dollar hits will just keep coming..Berry finding more Malcolm Smith's & Ronnie Harrison's deals won't hurt either..Were paying a top 9 now, down to Hooper..KC/Rams/TB can barely pay a top 9. Same with several teams..

Berry has just tipped his toe in the water of trying to extend the young talented drafted to Contracts.. Those 3 teams mentioned above..All took 3 different position player Cap space paths... They are winning teams.. coached well.. and now were there.. Keep winning.. Berry needs to plan out a 4th path.. I'm not turning the channel.. see ya!

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:

Berry has just tipped his toe in the water of trying to extend the young talented drafted to Contracts.

Plus the list of players in the final year of their current contracts is long... very long indeed... albeit with OTC padding the list with our 2021 draft picks for some reason.

gumby73

@tour2ma said:

You did see where we are now in extension talks with Chubb, didn't you?

And he'll be cheap compared to Baker.

Spotrac

@spotrac

RB Nick Chubb, likely the next candidate for a contract extension with the #Browns, should have his eyes set on Aaron Jones' 4 yr, $48M deal with Green Bay.

Valuation: https://bit.ly/3gL5sFP <<< ?

My life is much simpler ? Tee Time 9am Sunday here... https://www.seascapegolf.com

Tonight, I have 3 Kitty Hawk drive in movie choice's all starting at 9:20?--- F9----The Conjuring---or--- Kong vs Godzilla ? ??.... now which one will it be? ?

Tour2ma

Well Kong vs. Godzilla sucked bigtime so it's down to a coinflip.

I'd go for pure escapism fun with F9, but the first couple of installments in the Conjuring franchise were pretty solid.

Seascape looks like a fun track... Did the Myrtle Beach thang back in the 80s. Never got close to the outer banks, but did spend a day in NC. Played Oyster Bay and IIRC Carolina Shores... the former was a great course... the latter a waste of time.

$12mm/yr? Hard to see that for a RB... even for Chubb.

tiamat63

Kong v Godzilla is fine for the visual appeal on the big screen, but the movie itself is just god awful. Saw the first two Conjurings as I love a well done horror movie. First one was solid, second one fell off a bit. Won't bother with the 3rd because I'm sure as a trilogy it will end on a whimper.

Hoping Chubb keeps it around $10 mil. I'm sure the fact this team will (likely/hopefully) pay Baker & Denzel which will be brought up in terms of $ to spread around re: positional value... in always fighting against that cap monster. Generally I don't advocate for paying RB's high, but Chubb is a special case and a special runner. If Baker & Myles are the heart of this team, then Nick is without question the soul.

gumby73

@tour2ma said:

Well Kong vs. Godzilla sucked bigtime so it's down to a coinflip.

I'd go for pure escapism fun with F9, but the first couple of installments in the Conjuring franchise were pretty solid.

Decided for the Boyz bus of "wreck? outside" flick... not a total suck for outdoor Hawk viewing... Saved the intense surround sound viewing for some rain coming in.. Conjuring on deck for Monday's wash-out ?️ F9 saved last night here... aka 'Were riding the storm out" ?

Seascape looks like a fun track... Did the Myrtle Beach thang back in the 80s. Never got close to the outer banks, but did spend a day in NC. Played Oyster Bay and IIRC Carolina Shores... the former was a great course... the latter a waste of time.

Turned the 9th hole corner at plus+2...Saw the radar of rain coming.. So we kept it moving...Could not hit a iron under a 7 to finish! Finished plus +6 from the gold tee's.. Got to 19th hole ?.. 15 minutes before drizzle turned into a horn calling golfers off... Were Still here.. Our Wife rules? be back by 6pm.. Sober is our plan ?

$12mm/yr? Hard to see that for a RB... even for Chubb.

Is this a football geeks weekly job? Only Week 17? or Valuation totals thru Week 17?

NFL Player Valuation: 2020 Week 17

Player	Team	Position	Positional Value	Overall Value	Current APY	Value Over APY	2021 Cash Due	Value Over Cash
Baker Mayfield	Browns	QB	$30,300,000	$30,300,000	$8,170,745	$22,129,255	$5,106,770	$25,193,230
M.J. Stewart	Browns	CB	$13,660,000	$15,189,000	$1,270,780	$13,918,220	$1,173,153	$14,015,847
Jack Conklin	Browns	RT	$13,507,000	$13,966,000	$14,000,000	($34,000)	$10,000,000	$3,966,000
Sheldon Richardson	Browns	43DT	$13,394,000	$13,854,000	$12,000,000	$1,854,000	$3,600,000	$10,254,000
Jacob Phillips	Browns	LB	$13,431,000	$13,431,000	$1,086,078	$12,344,922	$814,518	$12,616,482
Jedrick Wills	Browns	LT	$10,635,000	$11,094,000	$4,925,729	$6,168,271	$1,505,587	$9,588,413
Ronnie Harrison	Browns	S	$9,639,000	$9,639,000	$847,008	$8,791,992	$2,183,000	$7,456,000
Austin Hooper	Browns	TE	$9,010,000	$9,054,000	$10,500,000	($1,446,000)	$11,500,000	($2,446,000)
J.C. Tretter	Browns	C	$8,570,000	$9,029,000	$10,850,000	($1,821,000)	$9,450,000	($421,000)
Joel Bitonio	Browns	LG	$8,228,000	$8,687,000	$10,000,000	($1,313,000)	$10,000,000	($1,313,000)
Myles Garrett	Browns	EDGE	$7,807,000	$8,267,000	$25,000,000	($16,733,000)	$21,684,000	($13,417,000)
Sione Takitaki	Browns	ILB	$7,753,000	$8,212,000	$933,969	$7,278,031	$850,000	$7,362,000
Jarvis Landry	Browns	WR	$8,109,000	$8,109,000	$15,100,000	($6,991,000)	$13,300,000	($5,191,000)
Nick Chubb	Browns	RB	$7,818,000	$7,818,000	$1,845,774	$5,972,226	$3,384,000	$4,434,000
Olivier Vernon	Browns	EDGE	$7,501,000	$7,634,000	$11,000,000	($3,366,000)	Free Agent
Rashard Higgins	Browns	WR	$7,576,000	$7,576,000	$910,000	$6,666,000	$2,377,500	$5,198,500
Karl Joseph	Browns	S	$6,662,000	$7,302,000	$2,500,000	$4,802,000	$1,127,500	$6,174,500
David Njoku	Browns	TE	$7,138,000	$7,138,000	$2,381,336	$4,756,664	$6,013,000	$1,125,000
Terrance Mitchell	Browns	CB	$6,155,000	$6,155,000	$3,333,333	$2,821,667	$3,500,000	$2,655,000
Mack Wilson	Browns	43OLB	$4,545,000	$4,545,000	$707,201	$3,837,799	$850,000	$3,695,000
Robert Jackson	Browns	CB	$4,164,000	$4,164,000	$762,500	$3,401,500	$850,000	$3,314,000
KhaDarel Hodge	Browns	WR	$2,852,000	$4,075,000	$750,000	$3,325,000	$2,133,000	$1,942,000
Larry Ogunjobi	Browns	43DT	$4,054,000	$4,054,000	$976,788	$3,077,212	$6,200,000	($2,146,000)
Wyatt Teller	Browns	RG	$3,185,000	$3,644,000	$678,531	$2,965,469	$2,183,000	$1,461,000
Kareem Hunt	Browns	RB	$2,703,000	$2,703,000	$6,000,000	($3,297,000)	$5,000,000	($2,297,000)
Adrian Clayborn	Browns	43DE	$2,585,000	$2,585,000	$2,875,000	($290,000)	Free Agent
Cody Parkey	Browns	K	$2,550,000	$2,550,000	$910,000	$1,640,000	$1,212,500	$1,337,500
Sheldrick Redwine	Browns	S	$1,663,000	$2,497,000	$810,102	$1,686,898	$850,000	$1,647,000
Stephen Carlson	Browns	TE	$521,000	$2,412,000	$540,000	$1,872,000	$850,000	$1,562,000
Tavierre Thomas	Browns	CB	$0	$1,758,000	$571,667	$1,186,333	$2,250,000	($492,000)
Elijah Lee	Browns	LB	$0	$1,730,000	$835,000	$895,000	$990,000	$740,000
Tae Davis	Browns	43OLB	$0	$1,720,000	$571,667	$1,148,333	$1,250,000	$470,000
Porter Gustin	Browns	43DE	$654,000	$1,504,000	$540,000	$964,000	$850,000	$654,000
Andy Janovich	Browns	FB	$0	$1,472,000	$1,900,000	($428,000)	$1,450,000	$22,000
Jamie Gillan	Browns	P	$918,000	$918,000	$588,333	$329,667	$850,000	$68,000
Jovante Moffatt	Browns	S	$0	$915,000	$695,000	$220,000	$780,000	$135,000
Vincent Taylor	Browns	DT	$429,000	$889,000	$690,000	$199,000	$1,500,000	($611,000)
Charley Hughlett	Browns	LS	$823,000	$823,000	$1,061,667	($238,667)	$1,145,000	($322,000)
D'ernest Johnson	Browns	RB	$0	$787,000	$585,000	$202,000	$850,000	($63,000)
A.J. Green	Browns	CB	$0	$610,000	$170,282	$439,718	$660,000	($50,000)
Alex Taylor	Browns	RT	$0	$610,000	$142,800	$467,200	$660,000	($50,000)
Montrel Meander	Browns	S	$0	$610,000	$180,212	$429,788	$850,000	($240,000)
Donovan Peoples-Jones	Browns	WR	$452,000	$610,000	$870,402	($260,402)	$780,000	($170,000)
Michael Dunn	Browns	LG	$0	$610,000	$695,000	($85,000)	$780,000	($170,000)
Jordan Elliott	Browns	DT	$610,000	$610,000	$1,123,438	($513,438)	$818,565	($208,565)

Happy Father's Day! Ya All ?

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:

Happy Father's Day! Ya All ?

Back at ya... and the rest of yall Dads out there...

+9! Very strong... even in a casual game.

gumby73

@tour2ma said:

Back at ya... and the rest of yall Dads out there...

+9! Very strong... even in a casual game.

#babysteps

+ ?️ ='s ??? .... proving... Dad's release from mom's homework child duties was best ... thanks!

access your scorecard penalty strokes to your next round...

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:

access your scorecard penalty strokes to your next round...

Lmao...

In other words... "Not strict rules of golf, Mr. Bond?"