Baker Mayfield
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GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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Yes, I caught the Buckeyes game. That was a total demolition of a ranked team. They have a couple decent receivers that would look good in Brown & Orange. It was Duck Season in Salt Lake City. Time for OSU to jump Alabama in the polls. Will the Committee put the Bearcats in the top four? I sure hope so. Especially assuming Georgia rolls the Tide in the SEC Championship.
Agreed! Now back to the reason I brought up the WR position - are we sure it's JUST Baker we need to upgrade asap? And I'm impressed with how many people think Lamar Jackson is hard to stop; especially considering he wasn't exactly Josh Rosen PRE-draft. The convenient out for all of Rosen's pre-draft fans was "bad football team - poor guy just didn't have a chance." Sticking with such a precedent, what was the record of the team that drafted Baker?
I've seen enough of the guy to know what he CAN do even as a wide eyed rookie entering his 1st game with a 14 point deficit and leading the Browns to victory. Just to recap, the 0-16 team started his rookie year 0-1-1. Still a worthless team without him on the field. Next thing you know the team went 7-7 in the games he played; and he's setting a TD passing record for rookie QBs on a franchise with a record of 1-32-1 in the 34 games before he 1st entered the field. In 2019, the Browns lost both starting Tackles in the opener plus the 1st backup at LT all in 1 game vrs TN. That season became a necessary backward step that the FO used to draft Wills and sign Conklin as priorities to the 2020 offense that won 11 regular season games + 1 playoff game where the Browns score 48 points AT PITTSBURGH. So let's get rid of Baker so we can return to watching this franchise draft QBs the way it has done since 1999? It's been THAT fun has it?
More math? Have we forgotten the inventory of Offensive Coordinators here that the young QB had to learn and deprogram? And people act like if THIS franchise just drafted Lamar Jackson he'd be in 1 piece ALLOWED to do the stuff seemingly only Baltimore was interested in letting him do as soon as they submitted their draft selection of him. Hue Jackson would have put him on a leash saying QBs aren't RBs in this league; and he'd have more broken bones than Evil Kaneival. Tim Couch had a 64 yard run vrs the Rams as a rookie right before halftime thinking Chris Palmer was going to compliment him before Palmer tore him a new ass. Meanwhile in Philly, Donovan McNabb was playing for an offensive minded HC and OC that allowed him the type of liberties with his feet that Baltimore has done with Lamar. All McNabb did was turn around the team with the worst record in 98 with 9 playoff appearances, 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 SB. in his 1st 10 or 11 seasons. SOME of this is the luck of going to the right MIND/system. It makes no sense to me if you draft anyone only to Dr Frankenstein all his gifts into something he isn't wired to do.
How come when teams are easily getting outside of Myles Garrett off the edge - we're/he's only blaming the Coordinator and teammates? I LOVE sacks but not at the expense of giving up contain. We're not stopping shit with film going viral on how to beat it. And when they lined up Clowney next to Garrett - it was the easiest TD Houston scored all year. The good news was Tyrod pulled a hammy so the Browns could come back and win.
I've seen what this team is capable of with Baker enough to know I'm not interested in returning to the QB t-shirt culture everyone once bitched about (especially me) before Baker arrived. It's up to the FO and coaching staff to get this stuff worked out. As I was leading to, upgrading the WR position would be an ideal place to start. Not many opponents are going to have trouble winning their matchups against our guys on the perimeter. Let's hope that doesn't include the winless Lions today...
Agreed! Now back to the reason I brought up the WR position - are we sure it's JUST Baker we need to upgrade asap? And I'm impressed with how many people think Lamar Jackson is hard to stop; especially considering he wasn't exactly Josh Rosen PRE-draft. The convenient out for all of Rosen's pre-draft fans was "bad football team - poor guy just didn't have a chance." Sticking with such a precedent, what was the record of the team that drafted Baker?
I've seen enough of the guy to know what he CAN do even as a wide eyed rookie entering his 1st game with a 14 point deficit and leading the Browns to victory. Just to recap, the 0-16 team started his rookie year 0-1-1. Still a worthless team without him on the field. Next thing you know the team went 7-7 in the games he played; and he's setting a TD passing record for rookie QBs on a franchise with a record of 1-32-1 in the 34 games before he 1st entered the field. In 2019, the Browns lost both starting Tackles in the opener plus the 1st backup at LT all in 1 game vrs TN. That season became a necessary backward step that the FO used to draft Wills and sign Conklin as priorities to the 2020 offense that won 11 regular season games + 1 playoff game where the Browns score 48 points AT PITTSBURGH. So let's get rid of Baker so we can return to watching this franchise draft QBs the way it has done since 1999? It's been THAT fun has it?
More math? Have we forgotten the inventory of Offensive Coordinators here that the young QB had to learn and deprogram? And people act like if THIS franchise just drafted Lamar Jackson he'd be in 1 piece ALLOWED to do the stuff seemingly only Baltimore was interested in letting him do as soon as they submitted their draft selection of him. Hue Jackson would have put him on a leash saying QBs aren't RBs in this league; and he'd have more broken bones than Evil Kaneival. Tim Couch had a 64 yard run vrs the Rams as a rookie right before halftime thinking Chris Palmer was going to compliment him before Palmer tore him a new ass. Meanwhile in Philly, Donovan McNabb was playing for an offensive minded HC and OC that allowed him the type of liberties with his feet that Baltimore has done with Lamar. All McNabb did was turn around the team with the worst record in 98 with 9 playoff appearances, 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 SB. in his 1st 10 or 11 seasons. SOME of this is the luck of going to the right MIND/system. It makes no sense to me if you draft anyone only to Dr Frankenstein all his gifts into something he isn't wired to do.
How come when teams are easily getting outside of Myles Garrett off the edge - we're/he's only blaming the Coordinator and teammates? I LOVE sacks but not at the expense of giving up contain. We're not stopping shit with film going viral on how to beat it. And when they lined up Clowney next to Garrett - it was the easiest TD Houston scored all year. The good news was Tyrod pulled a hammy so the Browns could come back and win.
I've seen what this team is capable of with Baker enough to know I'm not interested in returning to the QB t-shirt culture everyone once bitched about (especially me) before Baker arrived. It's up to the FO and coaching staff to get this stuff worked out. As I was leading to, upgrading the WR position would be an ideal place to start. Not many opponents are going to have trouble winning their matchups against our guys on the perimeter. Let's hope that doesn't include the winless Lions today...
Generally you and I have great discussion. But if you think what McNabb did with his feet - as a mobile passer who ran only to throw, is ANYTHING like the stucture that the Ravens HAD* to implement with Lamar as an offensive supplement, then we really need to sit down for a long ass chat.
The issues many Browns fans aren't recognizing is a simple one. The Browns have HAD some talent on these rosters in current and previous years. The QB play was just so damn dismal that it didn't allow them to be even remotely competitive. Until a local boy like Brian Hoyer and Young Shanahan showed that you only need a slightly-above average QB to actually win some games and allow the rest of said talent and quality coaching to take you to 8-8 (ish) Imagine if Jim O neil isn't the defensive coordinator in 2014 and we draft Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald or Mike Evans? (like I wanted) That squad would have gone to the wildcard with Brian Hoyer at QB.
Another example would be the season before Alex Smith arrived in KC. 1 win to what...? 9-10 wins? Not spectacular QB play, but just good enough at the most important position on the field.
Baker himself isn't solely responsible for the Browns turn-around so much as it an infusion of young talent and decent, NOT great, coaches. The Bengals had playoff appearances with Andy Dalton and Marvin Lewis for Christ sake.
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I’m not a Baker hater or Baker apologist, but to me, he needs more things in his favor to succeed then most QB’S.
He doesn’t seem to be able to put the team on his back. I want him to be that, because, I sure don’t want the losers we have had for most of the last 22 years, but he’s not that at this point in his career
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
How many games until the bye ? 🥷
Just one more loss to the Rat Birds assuming he plays...
baker did not speak to reporters after todays game
wonder why ?
Maker Bayfield... You had another SHITTY game. OWN IT. Be thankful it was against the crappy Lions, playing their new QB- or you would have chalked up another embarrassing loss.
Note to Stefanski- just stop playing the guy when he's obviously crippled.
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I'm going to lose my mind if Baker is starting against the Ravens.
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Watching how Burrow operates from empty vs Baker is... telling. Night and day.
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I’m not a Baker hater or Baker apologist, but to me, he needs more things in his favor to succeed then most QB’S.
He doesn’t seem to be able to put the team on his back. I want him to be that, because, I sure don’t want the losers we have had for most of the last 22 years, but he’s not that at this point in his career
I’m not a Baker hater or Baker apologist, but to me, he needs more things in his favor to succeed then most QB’S.
He doesn’t seem to be able to put the team on his back. I want him to be that, because, I sure don’t want the losers we have had for most of the last 22 years, but he’s not that at this point in his career
I don't want to get too far off topic.
It would appear to me that the Mayfield Camp has been told or believes that the Browns FO questions whether or not he is the future Franchise QB. And if that were the case, then he would have to prove something this season.If there was confidence he was, unquestionably, the Franchise QB I assume he would have started whatever surgeries, procedures and processes that need to take place so that he could come back better in 2022.I only get to see the Browns' nationally broadcast games so I get my take from the Board and watch the game highlights. He has no business playing, I don't care how viable Case Keenum may or may not be. It's becoming apparent this is not their year so now it's time to finish strong and begin the necessary moves to make a run in 2022.As far as his contract goes, I don't understand why he thinks putting the Browns over the barrel is beneficial. I live in Colts' country and saw firsthand how Peyton Manning's $98M contract and $90M contract handicapped the Colts, especially their OL and defense. While Peyton Manning was getting paid, Tom Brady was winning Super Bowls. In hindsight, I bet Peyton would gladly trade $20M for a couple more Super Bowls.Thankfully, the Browns have solidified the OL, but it frustrates me that he thinks he's a $35M-$40M/year QB. He should tell his agent he'll take $25M/year. He should tell the Browns' FO to fill in the gaps with remaining money so a Championship Team can be built. If he wants more money, his agent needs to find some more endorsement deals or push Progressive to go the Castrol route ala John Force and make him and only him their man.I want Baker to be the man because the process of finding a Franchise QB is an awfully expensive, rarely lucrative craps shoot, and most Teams get lost in the wilderness. He's not a generational talent, but he's the best talent the Browns have had in a generation. Save the Packers, Favre to Rodgers, it's just not often that teams go from winning QB to winning QB. My greatest concern about Baker is that he'd go the route of Drew Brees and go have a second, more successful and Super Bowl-winning career elsewhere. I'm not being scared, I'm being pragmatic. -
Watching how Burrow operates from empty vs Baker is... telling. Night and day.
See above... the guy belongs on IR, not out there trying to lose games.... Have I mentioned several times.... He's sailing passes? Nice INT throwing the ball 10 feet over Landry's head. His accuracy is shot. His vision is shot... We commented he threw the ball into triple coverage, got bailed out by a PI, and didn't see Johnson totally alone. Go post the still Tia.
See below...
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The NFL.com take....
Maker Bayfield... has reached a new low in his NFL career. Mayfield is clearly injured, yet he insists on gutting out his multiple ailments, and Kevin Stefanski is abiding to the detriment of his offense. Mayfield was again dreadful, completing 15 of 29 passes for 176 yards, one touchdown (a short pass in the flats to Chubb) and two interceptions. Many of his incompletions were to open receivers Mayfield simply missed, the interceptions were typically ugly, and the plays in between inspired so little confidence in Cleveland's offense as it currently exists, Browns fans rained boos down on the field -- while winning the game. Gone are the days of Stefanski's sharp, balanced and unpredictable attack. In its place is an offense stuck in 5 feet of mud with a banged-up quarterback trying to pull them out of it. Folks wearing brown and orange are seriously considering a future without Mayfield, who looks nothing like the quarterback who helped Cleveland win a playoff game last year. It's tough to evaluate him because of his injuries, but it's even more difficult to understand why the Browns aren't turning to Case Keenum just to give Mayfield a break.
MHO? Guts only get you so far... And I agree with Terry Pluto- and a bunch of others- that it was f'n STUPID to play Baker against the Lions.. You want to ride him Kev? You're Captaining the Titanic this year if you do. The last two Mayfield performances could have been equaled by some no-name third string nobody....
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You almost at this point get the impression that Baker could die out of the field, and Stefanski would go full-out 'Weekend at Bernie's' with Baker's corpse for a full quarter before bringing in Keenum.
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Baker is what I want in every Browns player, tough as nails and always in the fight. When the fuck are people going to get off his back? Is it his fault Stefanski doesn't have a spine to pull him?
Baker is what I want in every Browns player, tough as nails and always in the fight. When the fuck are people going to get off his back? Is it his fault Stefanski doesn't have a spine to pull him?
They're both at fault. Stefanski takes most of the blame, but it's also Baker's responsibility to call his own number when he knows he is hurting the team because he can't play to his potential. Unless we manage to sign Rodgers in the offseason, Baker is getting franchise tagged.
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“No one better say anything bad about Baker Mayfield after this game,” she (Emily Mayfield) wrote in a since-deleted Instagram post, via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. “I don’t think I have seen toughness like this in a while. Maybe the rest our team should take the hint and get tougher.”
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“No one better say anything bad about Baker Mayfield after this game,” she (Emily Mayfield) wrote in a since-deleted Instagram post, via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. “I don’t think I have seen toughness like this in a while. Maybe the rest our team should take the hint and get tougher.”
“No one better say anything bad about Baker Mayfield after this game,” she (Emily Mayfield) wrote in a since-deleted Instagram post, via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. “I don’t think I have seen toughness like this in a while. Maybe the rest our team should take the hint and get tougher.”
Emily- go kiss his boo-boos and make them feel better tonight....
Maybe Baker should go to the Coach and say... I'm playing like shit? (because I'm hurt) And Stef needs to take his helmet away.
Monte Python's Black Knight without any legs.
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The NFL.com take....
Maker Bayfield... has reached a new low in his NFL career. Mayfield is clearly injured, yet he insists on gutting out his multiple ailments, and Kevin Stefanski is abiding to the detriment of his offense. Mayfield was again dreadful, completing 15 of 29 passes for 176 yards, one touchdown (a short pass in the flats to Chubb) and two interceptions. Many of his incompletions were to open receivers Mayfield simply missed, the interceptions were typically ugly, and the plays in between inspired so little confidence in Cleveland's offense as it currently exists, Browns fans rained boos down on the field -- while winning the game. Gone are the days of Stefanski's sharp, balanced and unpredictable attack. In its place is an offense stuck in 5 feet of mud with a banged-up quarterback trying to pull them out of it. Folks wearing brown and orange are seriously considering a future without Mayfield, who looks nothing like the quarterback who helped Cleveland win a playoff game last year. It's tough to evaluate him because of his injuries, but it's even more difficult to understand why the Browns aren't turning to Case Keenum just to give Mayfield a break.
MHO? Guts only get you so far... And I agree with Terry Pluto- and a bunch of others- that it was f'n STUPID to play Baker against the Lions.. You want to ride him Kev? You're Captaining the Titanic this year if you do. The last two Mayfield performances could have been equaled by some no-name third string nobody....
The NFL.com take....
Maker Bayfield... has reached a new low in his NFL career. Mayfield is clearly injured, yet he insists on gutting out his multiple ailments, and Kevin Stefanski is abiding to the detriment of his offense. Mayfield was again dreadful, completing 15 of 29 passes for 176 yards, one touchdown (a short pass in the flats to Chubb) and two interceptions. Many of his incompletions were to open receivers Mayfield simply missed, the interceptions were typically ugly, and the plays in between inspired so little confidence in Cleveland's offense as it currently exists, Browns fans rained boos down on the field -- while winning the game. Gone are the days of Stefanski's sharp, balanced and unpredictable attack. In its place is an offense stuck in 5 feet of mud with a banged-up quarterback trying to pull them out of it. Folks wearing brown and orange are seriously considering a future without Mayfield, who looks nothing like the quarterback who helped Cleveland win a playoff game last year. It's tough to evaluate him because of his injuries, but it's even more difficult to understand why the Browns aren't turning to Case Keenum just to give Mayfield a break.
MHO? Guts only get you so far... And I agree with Terry Pluto- and a bunch of others- that it was f'n STUPID to play Baker against the Lions.. You want to ride him Kev? You're Captaining the Titanic this year if you do. The last two Mayfield performances could have been equaled by some no-name third string nobody....
I’m convinced Stefanski isn’t making the final call to stick with Baker in these games. I believe post game he called the decisions an organizational one. He’s the kind of guy that would say it was his if it was.
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The NFL.com take....
Maker Bayfield... has reached a new low in his NFL career. Mayfield is clearly injured, yet he insists on gutting out his multiple ailments, and Kevin Stefanski is abiding to the detriment of his offense. Mayfield was again dreadful, completing 15 of 29 passes for 176 yards, one touchdown (a short pass in the flats to Chubb) and two interceptions. Many of his incompletions were to open receivers Mayfield simply missed, the interceptions were typically ugly, and the plays in between inspired so little confidence in Cleveland's offense as it currently exists, Browns fans rained boos down on the field -- while winning the game. Gone are the days of Stefanski's sharp, balanced and unpredictable attack. In its place is an offense stuck in 5 feet of mud with a banged-up quarterback trying to pull them out of it. Folks wearing brown and orange are seriously considering a future without Mayfield, who looks nothing like the quarterback who helped Cleveland win a playoff game last year. It's tough to evaluate him because of his injuries, but it's even more difficult to understand why the Browns aren't turning to Case Keenum just to give Mayfield a break.
MHO? Guts only get you so far... And I agree with Terry Pluto- and a bunch of others- that it was f'n STUPID to play Baker against the Lions.. You want to ride him Kev? You're Captaining the Titanic this year if you do. The last two Mayfield performances could have been equaled by some no-name third string nobody....
I’m convinced Stefanski isn’t making the final call to stick with Baker in these games. I believe post game he called the decisions an organizational one. He’s the kind of guy that would say it was his if it was.
I’m convinced Stefanski isn’t making the final call to stick with Baker in these games. I believe post game he called the decisions an organizational one. He’s the kind of guy that would say it was his if it was.
then the question becomes- why is the "organizational" group think- thinking after seeing a crippled Mayfield post back to back 50 QBR games that he's gotta play- even if it's obvious he's hurting the team? We're not beating the Rat Birds with QB play on a college Division II level.
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I’m convinced Stefanski isn’t making the final call to stick with Baker in these games. I believe post game he called the decisions an organizational one. He’s the kind of guy that would say it was his if it was.
then the question becomes- why is the "organizational" group think- thinking after seeing a crippled Mayfield post back to back 50 QBR games that he's gotta play- even if it's obvious he's hurting the team? We're not beating the Rat Birds with QB play on a college Division II level.
then the question becomes- why is the "organizational" group think- thinking after seeing a crippled Mayfield post back to back 50 QBR games that he's gotta play- even if it's obvious he's hurting the team? We're not beating the Rat Birds with QB play on a college Division II level.
100% agree
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