Baker to Carolina

Dutch Oven

@unsympathetic said:

Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp

One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason

In a perfect world for the Browns, if they kept him, he'd refuse to report, the Browns would then not have to pay him, freeing up $19 mill, and he'd still become a free agent after the season ended, giving the Browns a comp pick for him leaving. I'm guessing that can't happen, though?

Westside Steve

@mjp28 said:

Probably a good course of action.

Another thing we are talking about a very wealthy 27 year old both on the field and (probably) millions more in his off the field deals which makes him in position to do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.

Fun isn't it to pretend if I signed a $32.6M guaranteed contract when you were just 23 year old kid what then ?

What do you think he will do ? What would you do if you were in his spot ? The small print :

Current Contract

Baker Mayfield signed a 4 year, $32,682,980 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $21,849,440 signing bonus, $32,682,980 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,170,745. In 2022, Mayfield will earn a base salary of $18,858,000, while carrying a cap hit of $18,858,000 and a dead cap value of $18,858,000.

CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $32,682,980 SIGNING BONUS$21,849,440 AVERAGE SALARY$8,170,745 GTD AT SIGN:$32,682,980 TOTAL GTD:$32,682,980 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA

BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS
YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH
2018 23 $480,000 $5,462,360 - $5,942,360 $32,682,980 $22,329,440($22,329,440)
2019 24 $570,000 $5,462,360 $1,395,590 $7,427,950 $26,740,620 $1,996,971($24,326,411)
2020 25 $750,000 $5,462,360 $2,791,180 $9,003,540 $19,312,670 $3,615,494($27,941,905)
2021 26 $920,000 $5,462,360 $4,186,770 $10,569,130 $29,257,130 $5,106,770($33,048,675)
2022 27 $18,858,000 - - $18,858,000 $18,858,000 $18,858,000($51,906,675)
2023 28 UFA

Contract Notes:
Fully Guaranteed

Includes Offset Language

5th-year option available (exercised)

Roster Bonuses due at the start of training camp

@dutch-oven said:

In a perfect world for the Browns, if they kept him, he'd refuse to report, the Browns would then not have to pay him, freeing up $19 mill, and he'd still become a free agent after the season ended, giving the Browns a comp pick for him leaving. I'm guessing that can't happen, though?

What he will do and what he should do are two completely different things. I know how well I had my shit together when I was 23. (Just for the record the answer is not very)

What he should do is STFU pretend he's a good soldier and willing to hold a clipboard for the future Hall of Famer Jacoby Briskett. Collect 19 million bucks.

But many of us remember the intoxicating power of the arrogance of Youth so who knows?

As for a perfect world?

Haha (besides me winning an Oscar for best original song and attending the academy awards ceremony with my new girlfriend Jennifer Aniston) Watson gets at 8 game suspension Mayfield starts and goes 8 and O while the Seacocks go 0 and 8 and Seattle eats the entire contract and coughs up some draft picks.

?

WSS

Dick Mellon

I was surprised that a majority of Steelers fans actually wanted him; not that he's bad; I like him but I never thought that he was a fit for PIT. Now that the draft is over and we got 4 QB's he is the furthest thing from our minds.

I'm really disappointed in how things played out with CLE picking up his 5th year option, then paying too much for a serial sex offender QB. Yes, Jimmy said that he wants CLE to be just like PIT but having a serial sex offender QB is not the best way to copy the Steelers. See, we didn't know that Ben was a rapist before we got him, and if we had known that, then we wouldn't have gotten him.

nickers

@dick-mellon said:

I was surprised that a majority of Steelers fans actually wanted him; not that he's bad; I like him but I never thought that he was a fit for PIT. Now that the draft is over and we got 4 QB's he is the furthest thing from our minds.

I'm really disappointed in how things played out with CLE picking up his 5th year option, then paying too much for a serial sex offender QB. Yes, Jimmy said that he wants CLE to be just like PIT but having a serial sex offender QB is not the best way to copy the Steelers. See, we didn't know that Ben was a rapist before we got him, and if we had known that, then we wouldn't have gotten him.

Pitts style has always been tall, drop back classic passer with the one exception being Queerdell Stewart... Pitt always plays great defense.. Run the Ball and throw when you want to.. not need to...

laiccm

@dick-mellon said:

I was surprised that a majority of Steelers fans actually wanted him; not that he's bad; I like him but I never thought that he was a fit for PIT. Now that the draft is over and we got 4 QB's he is the furthest thing from our minds.

I'm really disappointed in how things played out with CLE picking up his 5th year option, then paying too much for a serial sex offender QB. Yes, Jimmy said that he wants CLE to be just like PIT but having a serial sex offender QB is not the best way to copy the Steelers. See, we didn't know that Ben was a rapist before we got him, and if we had known that, then we wouldn't have gotten him.

And we would be where we at now while Ben is moonwalking into the HOF. People are just gonna have to eat a reality bullet....you're gonna have a player(s) with horrible issues on every winning squad. They maynot come to light but it is what it is. ex. You really think Belicheck and NE didn't know Hernandez was a murdering psychopath? As detailed oriented that organization is?? But you always hear the "Patriot Way"....right? I'm at a point...if the court of law clears you...that's it..game on.

ballpeen

@dutch-oven said:

In a perfect world for the Browns, if they kept him, he'd refuse to report, the Browns would then not have to pay him, freeing up $19 mill, and he'd still become a free agent after the season ended, giving the Browns a comp pick for him leaving. I'm guessing that can't happen, though?

I think you guess right. Baker might or might not be stupid but I am pretty sure his agent isn't. No way he doesn't report if required.

TexasAg1969

Posted on youtube this afternoon.

Unsympathetic

For those of you who won't watch it.. Manziel was a one-and-run even in his Heisman year, and he left points on the board multiple times with poor accuracy to wide-open WR's who had to dive/stop to make the catch. Even his "highlight" sandlot plays contained problems of his own making -- he butt-fumbled to himself because he ran into his own OL while leaving the pocket too early.

tiamat63

@unsympathetic said:

For those of you who won't watch it.. Manziel was a one-and-run even in his Heisman year, and he left points on the board multiple times with poor accuracy to wide-open WR's who had to dive/stop to make the catch. Even his "highlight" sandlot plays contained problems of his own making -- he butt-fumbled to himself because he ran into his own OL while leaving the pocket too early.

I had never watched him in depth until that 2013 bowl season. But I remember him struggling to process even the most vanilla cover 3 looks from Uconn. His ability to read then anticipate zone coverage windows was Brady Quinn-esque. Top off the fact he was a marginal athlete and below average size for the QB position...

I think my first post on this board was declaring how much of a fraud that pick was. Hurts because that 2014 class was loaded with talent. Imagine that team having spent picks on Mike Evans and depth at center instead of trotting out Miles Austin?

Or even better - not hiring Jim O'Neill.

Canton Dawg

Per Ian Rapoport. . .

mjp28

Anyone surprised ?

What a mess this all turned out to be for the BROWNS world.

DieHardBrownsFan1

@mjp28 said:

Anyone surprised ?

What a mess this all turned out to be for the BROWNS world.

We've had a lot of messes since 1999.

hoorta

@unsympathetic said:

I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.

But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.

Yeah, from a month ago... BUT with Baker now excused from mandatory mini camp, it's obvious should Watson get suspended, we're rolling with Brissett. Baker can sit at home and collect his paychecks.

@tiamat63 said:

I had never watched him in depth until that 2013 bowl season. But I remember him struggling to process even the most vanilla cover 3 looks from Uconn. His ability to read then anticipate zone coverage windows was Brady Quinn-esque. Top off the fact he was a marginal athlete and below average size for the QB position...

I think my first post on this board was declaring how much of a fraud that pick was. Hurts because that 2014 class was loaded with talent. Imagine that team having spent picks on Mike Evans and depth at center instead of trotting out Miles Austin?

Or even better - not hiring Jim O'Neill.

Arrrgghhh!!! You would have to make me look up the Browns disaster of the 2014 NFL draft. OK, we did draft Bitonio in the second. However, Evans went off the board one pick before the Browns decided to take megabust Justin Gilbert. ? Wanna barf? If instead of Gilbert and Manziel, had the Browns drafted Aaron Donald and Derek Carr instead (both available when Cleveland drafted), I'd hazard a wild guess the Browns wouldn't have gone 0-16 a few years down the road...

DieHardBrownsFan1

@dick-mellon said:

I was surprised that a majority of Steelers fans actually wanted him; not that he's bad; I like him but I never thought that he was a fit for PIT. Now that the draft is over and we got 4 QB's he is the furthest thing from our minds.

I'm really disappointed in how things played out with CLE picking up his 5th year option, then paying too much for a serial sex offender QB. Yes, Jimmy said that he wants CLE to be just like PIT but having a serial sex offender QB is not the best way to copy the Steelers. See, we didn't know that Ben was a rapist before we got him, and if we had known that, then we wouldn't have gotten him.

Hey 'SE Asia' go back to your pedo ring.

tiamat63

@hoorta said:

Yeah, from a month ago... BUT with Baker now excused from mandatory mini camp, it's obvious should Watson get suspended, we're rolling with Brissett. Baker can sit at home and collect his paychecks.

Arrrgghhh!!! You would have to make me look up the Browns disaster of the 2014 NFL draft. OK, we did draft Bitonio in the second. However, Evans went off the board one pick before the Browns decided to take megabust Justin Gilbert. ? Wanna barf? If instead of Gilbert and Manziel, had the Browns drafted Aaron Donald and Derek Carr instead (both available when Cleveland drafted), I'd hazard a wild guess the Browns wouldn't have gone 0-16 a few years down the road...

Bito was like a redemption shot in beer pong - sure you get to keep playing, but that aim damn well better improve fast or you're still going to lose.

Don't forget we did move down from 4, which is what put us out of reach for Mike Evans ( IIRC? Honestly, I was hammered drunk that night)

hoorta

@tiamat63 said:

Bito was like a redemption shot in beer pong - sure you get to keep playing, but that aim damn well better improve fast or you're still going to lose.

Don't forget we did move down from 4, which is what put us out of reach for Mike Evans ( IIRC? Honestly, I was hammered drunk that night)

and I did forget that we moved down from #4 that evening.

calfoxwc

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

We've had a lot of messes since 1999.

yep, but this one takes the all time worst award/

syd

so i see Brees may be looking for a new job and i believe i would take Newton over Brissett if Watson is gone for the year

mjp28

Baker Mayfield trade talk thread...... CLE and SF ? Who wins here ?

Jimmy Garoppolo and Baker Mayfield are both stuck in limbo as their teams look to move them via trade, but an interesting solution could kill two birds with one stone for the San Francisco 49ers and Cleveland Browns.

Both teams are expected to be contenders next season but face a unique situation at quarterback. The Browns have been unable to move Mayfield after trading for Deshaun Watson, mostly due to his near $19 million salary for next season. The 49ers are also looking to move on from their former starter in Garoppolo, opting to start 2021 No. 3 overall pick Trey Lance. Garoppolo is due $24 million and is coming off surgery on his throwing shoulder.

Ben Volin of the Boston Globe proposed that a move swapping the two quarterbacks would be the best option for both teams.

BrownsnMopar · Jun 6, 2022 100 71View on X

@mjp28 said:

Baker Mayfield trade talk thread...... CLE and SF ? Who wins here ?

Jimmy Garoppolo and Baker Mayfield are both stuck in limbo as their teams look to move them via trade, but an interesting solution could kill two birds with one stone for the San Francisco 49ers and Cleveland Browns.

Both teams are expected to be contenders next season but face a unique situation at quarterback. The Browns have been unable to move Mayfield after trading for Deshaun Watson, mostly due to his near $19 million salary for next season. The 49ers are also looking to move on from their former starter in Garoppolo, opting to start 2021 No. 3 overall pick Trey Lance. Garoppolo is due $24 million and is coming off surgery on his throwing shoulder.

Ben Volin of the Boston Globe proposed that a move swapping the two quarterbacks would be the best option for both teams.

I like it!! Let's swap QBs!! Ding ding change QBs when the bell rings! ??

	CAP DETAILS	CASH DETAILS
YEAR	AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2018	23	$480,000	$5,462,360	-	$5,942,360	$32,682,980	$22,329,440($22,329,440)
2019	24	$570,000	$5,462,360	$1,395,590	$7,427,950	$26,740,620	$1,996,971($24,326,411)
2020	25	$750,000	$5,462,360	$2,791,180	$9,003,540	$19,312,670	$3,615,494($27,941,905)
2021	26	$920,000	$5,462,360	$4,186,770	$10,569,130	$29,257,130	$5,106,770($33,048,675)
2022	27	$18,858,000	-	-	$18,858,000	$18,858,000	$18,858,000($51,906,675)
2023	28	UFA
Contract Notes: Fully Guaranteed Includes Offset Language 5th-year option available (exercised) Roster Bonuses due at the start of training camp