Holmgren dodges Quinn question, again
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When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
Holmgren and the new GM both stressed that passing is the way to win in the NFL. With that in mind I find it hard to believe that Quinn will be the starter. I have a feeling we will either obtain a QB thru free agency, a trade, or through the draft. Both Quinn and Anderson have shown they are not in our future.
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How would you know they sucked then?
How many times have you ever heard a coach say something like " we just don't stand much of a chance when we have to play this guy"??
You usually can tell what is felt by what isn't said, but as others noted, it may simply be a lack of information at this point to make any real comments.
I am just not sure MH is a guy who lacks information.
QB is a fairly key position. With all that happened with this team concerning the QB position, I find if hard to believe has hasn't spent at least a few hours watching some tape to at least begin to get a idea of what he faces at that critical position.
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When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
I assume you're being sarcastic about DA. Holmgren has at least until the draft to evaluate Quinn, and like keeping EM, he's not about to make snap decisions.
Guaranteed: one or the other qb will be gone- if you think it's Quinn, mucho bueno. IMHO it's DA that's gonna get the heave-ho, and it's gone far beyond the point of keeping on beating a very dead horse.
I assume you're being sarcastic about DA. Holmgren has at least until the draft to evaluate Quinn, and like keeping EM, he's not about to make snap decisions.
Guaranteed: one or the other qb will be gone- if you think it's Quinn, mucho bueno. IMHO it's DA that's gonna get the heave-ho, and it's gone far beyond the point of keeping on beating a very dead horse.
I was being sarcastic about DA. There should be punctuation for sarcasm, maybe reverse quotations?
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How would you know they sucked then?
How many times have you ever heard a coach say something like " we just don't stand much of a chance when we have to play this guy"??
You usually can tell what is felt by what isn't said, but as others noted, it may simply be a lack of information at this point to make any real comments.
I am just not sure MH is a guy who lacks information.
QB is a fairly key position. With all that happened with this team concerning the QB position, I find if hard to believe has hasn't spent at least a few hours watching some tape to at least begin to get a idea of what he faces at that critical position.
How many times have you ever heard a coach say something like " we just don't stand much of a chance when we have to play this guy"??
You usually can tell what is felt by what isn't said, but as others noted, it may simply be a lack of information at this point to make any real comments.
I am just not sure MH is a guy who lacks information.
QB is a fairly key position. With all that happened with this team concerning the QB position, I find if hard to believe has hasn't spent at least a few hours watching some tape to at least begin to get a idea of what he faces at that critical position.
I agree with you but I just shed a tear for Holmgren. Can you imagine having to watch a few hours of film on these guys? And its your job to fix it?
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I assume you're being sarcastic about DA. Holmgren has at least until the draft to evaluate Quinn, and like keeping EM, he's not about to make snap decisions.
Guaranteed: one or the other qb will be gone- if you think it's Quinn, mucho bueno. IMHO it's DA that's gonna get the heave-ho, and it's gone far beyond the point of keeping on beating a very dead horse.
I was being sarcastic about DA. There should be punctuation for sarcasm, maybe reverse quotations?
I was being sarcastic about DA. There should be punctuation for sarcasm, maybe reverse quotations?
~How about these guys?~
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I think he hates Quinn.
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When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
I assume you're being sarcastic about DA. Holmgren has at least until the draft to evaluate Quinn, and like keeping EM, he's not about to make snap decisions.
Guaranteed: one or the other qb will be gone- if you think it's Quinn, mucho bueno. IMHO it's DA that's gonna get the heave-ho, and it's gone far beyond the point of keeping on beating a very dead horse.
I assume you're being sarcastic about DA. Holmgren has at least until the draft to evaluate Quinn, and like keeping EM, he's not about to make snap decisions.
Guaranteed: one or the other qb will be gone- if you think it's Quinn, mucho bueno. IMHO it's DA that's gonna get the heave-ho, and it's gone far beyond the point of keeping on beating a very dead horse.
You're probably right, Larry. However, if DA leaves this doesn't mean that BQ lines up behind Center on opening day 2010.
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I notice he didn't dodge the question about Derek Anderson. Oh wait, he never mentioned Derek Anderson.
I notice he didn't dodge the question about Derek Anderson. Oh wait, he never mentioned Derek Anderson.
Actually, in his first presser he was asked about the QBs and he mentioned that he remembers DA killing his hawks in 07.
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
Actually, in his first presser he was asked about the QBs and he mentioned that he remembers DA killing his hawks in 07.
LMAO - he had to go back to that 2007 year ya'll still live in. LOL.
I think it is very obvious nobody is asking about DA any longer. But you keep the faith pojami.
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When asked what he thought after watching the film on Quinn, Holmgren answered by talking about his injury instead of any type of analysis. Although did mention that he does know QBs. I still strongly believe his "tough decision" is trading Quinn. What do you all think of his reluctance to comment on Quinn? Especially when he has no problem at least complimenting Cribbs, Harrison, and fan favorite, DA.
I always thought that Quinn was the fan favorite, what have I been missing?
I always thought that Quinn was the fan favorite, what have I been missing?
You're not missing anything.
i've been following the Browns since Ernie Green gave up his body to block for Jim Brown, and this QB situation is the weirdest thing i can remember. Never can i recall a situation where the coaches and the teammates favor a certain player that the fans despise, while the competing player is a fan favorite that the coaches and team seem indifferent on. It is bizarre.
If Quinn was that good, it would be a no-brainer to annoint him. If DA was that bad, it would be a no-brainer to cut him. That predicament has been around for a couple seasons now.
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I always thought that Quinn was the fan favorite, what have I been missing?
You're not missing anything.
i've been following the Browns since Ernie Green gave up his body to block for Jim Brown, and this QB situation is the weirdest thing i can remember. Never can i recall a situation where the coaches and the teammates favor a certain player that the fans despise, while the competing player is a fan favorite that the coaches and team seem indifferent on. It is bizarre.
If Quinn was that good, it would be a no-brainer to annoint him. If DA was that bad, it would be a no-brainer to cut him. That predicament has been around for a couple seasons now.
You're not missing anything.
i've been following the Browns since Ernie Green gave up his body to block for Jim Brown, and this QB situation is the weirdest thing i can remember. Never can i recall a situation where the coaches and the teammates favor a certain player that the fans despise, while the competing player is a fan favorite that the coaches and team seem indifferent on. It is bizarre.
If Quinn was that good, it would be a no-brainer to annoint him. If DA was that bad, it would be a no-brainer to cut him. That predicament has been around for a couple seasons now.
Since when is it predetermined that DA is favored by teammates and coaches?
Seems to me that has been propagated by a few members on this board and is now being construed as fact.
Can someone supply evidence of this supposed fact?
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You're not missing anything.
i've been following the Browns since Ernie Green gave up his body to block for Jim Brown, and this QB situation is the weirdest thing i can remember. Never can i recall a situation where the coaches and the teammates favor a certain player that the fans despise, while the competing player is a fan favorite that the coaches and team seem indifferent on. It is bizarre.
If Quinn was that good, it would be a no-brainer to annoint him. If DA was that bad, it would be a no-brainer to cut him. That predicament has been around for a couple seasons now.
Since when is it predetermined that DA is favored by teammates and coaches?
Seems to me that has been propagated by a few members on this board and is now being construed as fact.
Can someone supply evidence of this supposed fact?
Since when is it predetermined that DA is favored by teammates and coaches?
Seems to me that has been propagated by a few members on this board and is now being construed as fact.
Can someone supply evidence of this supposed fact?
The coach part is obvious. If they favored Quinn, they would have annointed him (or at least stuck with him at the beginning of the season). The teammate part is less scientific and based on antecdotal evidence.
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I always thought that Quinn was the fan favorite, what have I been missing?
You're not missing anything.
i've been following the Browns since Ernie Green gave up his body to block for Jim Brown, and this QB situation is the weirdest thing i can remember. Never can i recall a situation where the coaches and the teammates favor a certain player that the fans despise, while the competing player is a fan favorite that the coaches and team seem indifferent on. It is bizarre.
If Quinn was that good, it would be a no-brainer to annoint him. If DA was that bad, it would be a no-brainer to cut him. That predicament has been around for a couple seasons now.
You're not missing anything.
i've been following the Browns since Ernie Green gave up his body to block for Jim Brown, and this QB situation is the weirdest thing i can remember. Never can i recall a situation where the coaches and the teammates favor a certain player that the fans despise, while the competing player is a fan favorite that the coaches and team seem indifferent on. It is bizarre.
If Quinn was that good, it would be a no-brainer to annoint him. If DA was that bad, it would be a no-brainer to cut him. That predicament has been around for a couple seasons now.
You said it all right there. You'll be challenged, don't take the bait. You'll be talking to a wall and eventually, someone will resort to name calling.
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Since when is it predetermined that DA is favored by teammates and coaches?
Seems to me that has been propagated by a few members on this board and is now being construed as fact.
Can someone supply evidence of this supposed fact?
The coach part is obvious. If they favored Quinn, they would have annointed him (or at least stuck with him at the beginning of the season). The teammate part is less scientific and based on antecdotal evidence.
The coach part is obvious. If they favored Quinn, they would have annointed him (or at least stuck with him at the beginning of the season). The teammate part is less scientific and based on antecdotal evidence.
You seem to forget that DA was pulled after 5 1/2 games himself, and got his job back only because BQ got put on IR. The coaches pulled the plug on both QB's, I think it's kind of hard to guess which one is the favorite.
My guess is that their favorite would be the guy that wins games, whoever that may be.
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Actually, in his first presser he was asked about the QBs and he mentioned that he remembers DA killing his hawks in 07.
~See there's your answer...Quinn didn't get any playing time in '07 so he had nothing to comment on.~ Seriously, why are we even arguing over something that WASN'T said?! Give the guy some time! A lot of people thought that Mangini was gone because Holmgren didn't come out right away and say he was staying. Look how that turned out. He will not make a snap decision or snap judgement. If he doesn't know the answer to the question, he will not make something up just so the press has something to write! When he feels he has enough info on Quinn, he'll talk!
Oh yeah...the ~'s are a good idea for sarcasm. There are too many people that don't seem to understand sarcasm when it smacks them in the face.
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Actually, in his first presser he was asked about the QBs and he mentioned that he remembers DA killing his hawks in 07.
~See there's your answer...Quinn didn't get any playing time in '07 so he had nothing to comment on.~ Seriously, why are we even arguing over something that WASN'T said?! Give the guy some time! A lot of people thought that Mangini was gone because Holmgren didn't come out right away and say he was staying. Look how that turned out. He will not make a snap decision or snap judgement. If he doesn't know the answer to the question, he will not make something up just so the press has something to write! When he feels he has enough info on Quinn, he'll talk!
Oh yeah...the ~'s are a good idea for sarcasm. There are too many people that don't seem to understand sarcasm when it smacks them in the face.
~See there's your answer...Quinn didn't get any playing time in '07 so he had nothing to comment on.~ Seriously, why are we even arguing over something that WASN'T said?! Give the guy some time! A lot of people thought that Mangini was gone because Holmgren didn't come out right away and say he was staying. Look how that turned out. He will not make a snap decision or snap judgement. If he doesn't know the answer to the question, he will not make something up just so the press has something to write! When he feels he has enough info on Quinn, he'll talk!
Oh yeah...the ~'s are a good idea for sarcasm. There are too many people that don't seem to understand sarcasm when it smacks them in the face.
Only the media thought he was gone because they were hoping with all they had that he was because Berea wasn't leaking any information on anything. So, they want a more user-friendly coach in that building. If the media couldn't tell us which foot Brady hurt, what makes you think they had any sources as to whether or not Mangini would be retained?
Back to the point though, Holmgren has admitted twice now that he has seen film of Brady but still refuses to say anything about him. Since he is in fact a straight shooter, you would think he would at least say something like 'I see some good things there" or at least " I haven't watched the film yet" but no, he instead dodges the question. Also, when asked about the QB situation in general HE harkened back to 2007 and gave DA props. He didn't have to do that. He could have said "I haven't seen enough yet" but instead took it as a chance to compliment DA and didn't even whisper an acknowledgement of Brady Quinn. You're right, Quinn didn't play in 2007 but neither did Bart Star, Dan Marino, or even Tony Eason, but you can watch film on him and have some sort of opinion. The fact that Holmgren, the QB guru, has nothing to say I think is very telling. He has also seen enough on Quinn to want to sit down and talk with him but he acts like he's never heard of him? Come on man. I hold onto my stance that Brady will be traded as soon as the league allows it. This not telling is just more evidence that that is a real strong possibility. I'm saying that as a Browns fan, not as a "my guy is better than your guy" fan.
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~See there's your answer...Quinn didn't get any playing time in '07 so he had nothing to comment on.~ Seriously, why are we even arguing over something that WASN'T said?! Give the guy some time! A lot of people thought that Mangini was gone because Holmgren didn't come out right away and say he was staying. Look how that turned out. He will not make a snap decision or snap judgement. If he doesn't know the answer to the question, he will not make something up just so the press has something to write! When he feels he has enough info on Quinn, he'll talk!
Oh yeah...the ~'s are a good idea for sarcasm. There are too many people that don't seem to understand sarcasm when it smacks them in the face.
Only the media thought he was gone because they were hoping with all they had that he was because Berea wasn't leaking any information on anything. So, they want a more user-friendly coach in that building. If the media couldn't tell us which foot Brady hurt, what makes you think they had any sources as to whether or not Mangini would be retained?
Back to the point though, Holmgren has admitted twice now that he has seen film of Brady but still refuses to say anything about him. Since he is in fact a straight shooter, you would think he would at least say something like 'I see some good things there" or at least " I haven't watched the film yet" but no, he instead dodges the question. Also, when asked about the QB situation in general HE harkened back to 2007 and gave DA props. He didn't have to do that. He could have said "I haven't seen enough yet" but instead took it as a chance to compliment DA and didn't even whisper an acknowledgement of Brady Quinn. You're right, Quinn didn't play in 2007 but neither did Bart Star, Dan Marino, or even Tony Eason, but you can watch film on him and have some sort of opinion. The fact that Holmgren, the QB guru, has nothing to say I think is very telling. He has also seen enough on Quinn to want to sit down and talk with him but he acts like he's never heard of him? Come on man. I hold onto my stance that Brady will be traded as soon as the league allows it. This not telling is just more evidence that that is a real strong possibility. I'm saying that as a Browns fan, not as a "my guy is better than your guy" fan.
Only the media thought he was gone because they were hoping with all they had that he was because Berea wasn't leaking any information on anything. So, they want a more user-friendly coach in that building. If the media couldn't tell us which foot Brady hurt, what makes you think they had any sources as to whether or not Mangini would be retained?
Back to the point though, Holmgren has admitted twice now that he has seen film of Brady but still refuses to say anything about him. Since he is in fact a straight shooter, you would think he would at least say something like 'I see some good things there" or at least " I haven't watched the film yet" but no, he instead dodges the question. Also, when asked about the QB situation in general HE harkened back to 2007 and gave DA props. He didn't have to do that. He could have said "I haven't seen enough yet" but instead took it as a chance to compliment DA and didn't even whisper an acknowledgement of Brady Quinn. You're right, Quinn didn't play in 2007 but neither did Bart Star, Dan Marino, or even Tony Eason, but you can watch film on him and have some sort of opinion. The fact that Holmgren, the QB guru, has nothing to say I think is very telling. He has also seen enough on Quinn to want to sit down and talk with him but he acts like he's never heard of him? Come on man. I hold onto my stance that Brady will be traded as soon as the league allows it. This not telling is just more evidence that that is a real strong possibility. I'm saying that as a Browns fan, not as a "my guy is better than your guy" fan.
Are you serious? Comparing 2 guys competing now to 3 guys that have long been retired? THat makes NO sense when arguing this subject. We are talking about comparing 2 guys...one that has had multiple seasons to prove that he is anything but a one year...no wait...an eight game wonder (as the end of '07 was not all the wonderful for DA) and another QB that has been in the league but had very little playing time (albeit that he did get some significant time this past season, but nothing compared to DA's total body of work in quantity). If we were discussing historical QB's, and comparing them to QB's today, then you have a case. We're not. Are Starr, Marino, or Eason coming back to compete for the starting spot on this team? Uhh...no. Again no relevence. I don't really care who the QB of this team will be as long as they put wins on the board. Bring back Charlie Frye...Tim Couch...throw Bernie back in there! Whatever! As long as they put up wins. All I am saying is that you cannot make any ASSumption based off of something that HAS NOT BEEN SAID! Yes, there is the POSSIBILITY that Quinn will not be back...as there is the POSSIBILITY that DA will not return. Hell, they BOTH may be out the door! Until it happens, let's give Holmgren the chance to make the decision. He's barely been here a week!
~By the way, has he mentioned anything about Ryan Pontbriand? Nope? Oh man, that means our most consistant long snapper must be leaving too.~ Is that really the way we should take everything NOT said?
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