Here's a taste of what davis has done as a defensive coordinator in the NFL:2005 San Fran last in total defense
2006 San Fran 26th in total defense
2009 Arizona 10th in total defense
2010 Arizona 29th in total defense
(He was linebacker/db coach with Arizona Cards 2007 and 2008)
ugh
2010 should probably be discounted, as they had the turnover/3 n' out machine as their qb, DA. no defense can do well when they're on the field as long as they are when DA is behind center
odds that we bring in zorn when shurmur will be calling the plays is almoast zilch. zorn has been around, you dont' honestly think he would accept an OC position where he doesn't call the plays do you?
rules like this are what keep racisim even alive to this day. they try to make a rule to make it fair in their mind, and instead they make the people that are part of the race they are trying to protect look like fools.
you know we're not going to hire the giants guy, yet hes wasting his time interviewing with us just because we're forced to interview a black guy. all its doing is hurting him, he has to know hes just being interviewd to satisfy the rule
thats exactly what he did, thats the point. hes doing exactly what you guys are saying he should do, and your complaining about it.
maybe stop complaining about him staying out of the way and be glad hes not trying to run the team
first you guys complained that he should hire someone like holmgren to run the team and get outta the picture. and now that he is letting holmgren deal with the team, you guys are complaining because he IS outta the picture.
kind of funny to watch
Consider the ill advised throw that Jake threw that was intercepted by Barber in the Tampa game and Phil Dawsons missed field goal in the KC game and one could argue the Browns could easily be well above.500 for the season. JTIOT
ya, but you also have to assume holmgren will take into account the other sides too. like how poor clock management in the last 2 games coulda meant a win. last game for example if he managed the clock better and didn't go into the half with 2 timeouts, we would have ad a td instead of a fg. team woulda been motivated and we woulda been within one score, instead of a td and fg to die the game at the end.
while there were pleanty of instances where an errased mistake by a player coulda meant a win, the same can be said about coaching mistakes, and those have to be taken into account aswell.
I loved mangini when we picked him up, still do like him. however it doesn't look good for him, as hes not producing results, sticking with a crappy OC, and holmgren likely wants to bring in his own guy. regardless of wether or not he should be fired, or deservers it, the cards are stacked against him
imo the only chance mangini has, is
1: hope holmgren puts alot of faith in how close the losses are
2: mangini will have to fire daboll right away. if fans can see the holes in his offense, and predict his playcalling, you know holmgren can, and if he sees mangini staying with the same predictable play caller, i think he'll pull the trigger on them both.
your in the wrong thread bud. this isn't a fire mangini thread, its a thread discussing what could happen after this season, and if he could be fired, and if so replaced by who.
some of you seem to be forgetting that even keeping mangini when holmgren took over was a big suprise. not many gms and presidents keep a coach they didn't pick. i liked mangini, but lets face it, hes made some bad decisions, most notably keeping dabol going into this year, as well as some poor clock management.
odds are he'll be let go after this season, and seeing as how the other year gruden was practically auditioning for the job that one game, and the fact that hes trained up by holmgren, it's likely he'll be in talks for the job
I just don't get the personal attacks
in case it isn't obvious, its because you won't shutup about gruden and it gets annoying. we already all know you love him, and you've made your case that we should hire him. yet every time theres a thread, you have to restate your case and people are getting frustrated hearing that crap every single time you open your mouth.
basically a broken record player, which are always annoying no matter what noise they make.
anything is better than daboll. your only as strong as your weakest link, and dabol is that link atm.
try a madden board buddy
Alendor, I'm not going to argue about Daboll. Everyone has their opinion about him. To suggest we would have scored a lot more is something I WON'T agree with. Miami's defense is top five in YPG. They're the sixth best rush defense, allowing only 3.7 yards a carry. That was about what Hillis was getting. They're also top ten in scoring and touchdowns allowed. Miami's defense did what they normally do.Oddly enough, in researching this, I found that the Browns have the tenth lowest opponent QB rating for the season. I didn't think it was that good.
well, we all saw how our offense opened up in the 4th quarter when the PAs started. we coulda got at least another td if he used em through the first half imo
tho only thing daboll ajusted to was finnaly calling some play action passes. after 1 1/2 halves of football going to hillis almoast every play, he finnaly realized that a play action would open up the passing game.
it took him far too long to figure out to run that play action, or else we woulda won by alot more.
he did the same shit when he played for us. whenever he threw an int or shitty pass, you'd always see his dumbass smile and clapping hands like a infant who just took a crap and was happy about it.
just like last week. we were doing well, daboll gets rattled, backs up into his shell, and they almoast pull out win. last week it was the watson injury, this week it was the moore fumble.
daboll's problems aren't correctable problems, he psychologically can't handle the pressure, and folds. he won't be able to be trained out of this habit of his, he'll need to be replaced for us to take the next step forward. winning in the nfl is done by maintaining your cool when under pressure. if a person's personality can't handle it they need to be removed, as that is not a correctable fault in most cases.
I certainly wont disagree that dabs often freaks out way to soon and way to easy and he has a tendency to turtle up and play to lose at the first major signs of trouble, however we have to consider that there is more film footage on colt and we have no WRs and our beatup and makeshift O-line often did not give colt the time for anything to break open or even to develop nor did they create the holes or conditions to spring hillis, in my mind everything just went bad on both sides of the ball with all the injuries, if not for ward, haden ,elam and brown we wouldnt have even been in this game...We are in a rebuild and we are banged up, this is the time of year not having good depth really hurts!
ya, i completly agree, however his playcalling when he gets scared does the opposite of trying to make up for our weaknesses. ya, maybe colt does have footage on him now, well maybe don't do a predictable run run, and leave him with 3-10 where they know his has to pass. thats the issue, doesn't matter how good we are, if they know we're gonna run on 1st and 2nd 90% of the time, and stop it, they know we will pass on 3rd and 10 100% of the time. shit 1 good play action when hes in turtle mode could be a big gain. god knows they'll bit on it if your last 10 1st downs have been runs up the middle.
whenever daboll gets uncomfortable he climbs back into his shell and calls a conservative game.
this game it seemed to happen once watson got banged up. ever since that play his calling because simple and predictable, and offense didn't do anything since then.
daboll just can't handle any kind of pressure, he folds like a cheap suit the moment the going gets tough. if he can get a good lead, like vs NE he keeps things somewhat creative, however if the game is close, you know our offense will get nothing done, as daboll will just run, run, pass, punt.
it was most likely a planned audible. they were trying to draw the defense into jumping offsides. once that didn't work they switched to that particular play.
the clapping was most likely vikers pretending to call that he was open, and draw another defender, since he didn't have anyone covering him.
1: he moved the next play back about 3 yards
2: he got a free timeout
