@browni8878 said: Here is the pic. thanks for the help http://imgur.com/P0yeNii That isn't an NFL sanctioned hat.

@miktoxic said:russell wilson, as much as i love the guy, would not last in the AFCN. sorry. it's just the way it is. While I am with you on most every other scrambling/ running QB, mik... I think Wilson is the exception. Wilson is short, but not small. And he runs "smart" with a field awareness that keeps him out of harms way. Like some running backs, he's just one of those runners on which it is hard to put a big hit.

Well of course you are correct. There is really nothing else to do but wait and let the front office do what they choose. Also let the coaches call the plays they want, set up the offense and defense as they see fit, sit back put up our feet and wait until spring. But then you rob this collection of pundits of a reason for existence. WSS

Zombo said: Sorry, got this too late, they are back at the Bates Motel! Z See my PM

No, I said it WAS the talk, that teams wanted speed, agility, and athleticism more than size because there was no touching allowed. In fact, same was true at safety where teams were basically looking to play converted cornerbacks. Not sure Seattle's success really changes everything. The headhunting safety and bully corner is basically outlawed. A guy like Richard Sherman (drafted in round 5) is rare: He's lanky and can run and cut, too. In most cases the bigger guys aren't as quick/fast as the little guys. In the end, there are many roads to Mecca. Skrine has almost unmatchable make-up speed (4.3) and a scrappy, bring-it-on playing style that can't really be taught. He's a legit starter. But all that said, cornerback crews go four deep with regular contributors and we could use one with some size. Obviously not a first round proposition, though. Might be a f/a, in fact.

On a 3rd and long 30 i think? Ogyb had a 22 yrd scamper. The longest rb run in two yrs

im just glad to see i am not the only one that has noticed this. if norv doesnt have audibles then neither has palmer, davis , robiskie, crennel, mangini, nor shurmur

@badnewsbrowns said: Just the game reflecting the times we live in, politically correct pussy bullshit. In a decade they'll be running around with ads on their jerseys like nascar. 100% agree. Apparently if the degree of getting your shit rocked reaches a certain level, refs are supposed to throw a flag which is absolute crap.

@diehardbrownsfan said: Disagree. You go with game changers, i.e., Offense. Do you know of players like Demarcus Ware, JJ Watt, Jared Allen, Mario Williams etc...all big time game changers on the edge.

Zombo said: Did he really say "moxie"? After Frye, Quinn and McCoy, I don't ever want to hear the word "moxie" associated with one of our quarterbacks ever again. Brian Sipe happens once a lifetime, get over it. Big dude with a cannon, half a brain and accuracy ... that's what we need ... that's what every team needs. Zombo --Shep ruined the word "moxie" and all smallish QBs for me .... I understand Sipe was NFL mvp once but I'm not sure why he's talked about so reverently. It was Bernie Kosar who engineered the Browns' best run in my lifetime. I will always put kosar ahead of Sipe.

[ Uh Oh! Now 8878 is going to think we should go back to slavery too! Sex slavery is back, in a big way. Even probably in this country.

@the-gipper said: The jury is still way out on the issue of whether or not Shurmur is any kind of coach. If the verdict had to be issued today, you would have to come up with the conclusion that is is some kind of coach: a very bad coach. And yes, concern for weak LBs. We may be relying on rookies there too in addition to as many as 5 rookies on offense. Shurmer pissed me off real good last year at Arizona, a 4-9 record...and he PUNTED on 4th & 2 inches from the AZ 47 yard line with a 10-0 lead. Also, the clock debacle at the Ratbirds. I hope I'm wrong and the Browns/Shurmer kick ass.

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k12_decisionstrich How high should rookie Trent Richardson be drafted in fantasy leagues? Shortly after the Cleveland Browns drafted Trent Richardson with the third overall pick in the 2012 NFL draft, Jim Brown was quoted as saying he thought the running back was "ordinary" and that he saw nothing outstanding about him. While you don't have to agree with the Hall of Fame legend's assessment, you would do well to understand well before you select Richardson in your fantasy football draft that the odds of the rookie doing something extraordinary are not that great. Deciding to hang your hat on a newcomer to the NFL -- even one who rushed for 1,679 yards and scored 24 total touchdowns in his final season at Alabama -- is an incredible risk. Why? Because in order to be considered worthy of being a top-10 running back selection you need to be counted on for about 80 yards per game and a touchdown approximately every other game. Over the past several seasons, you can see that's pretty much where the bar has been residing: RBs to average 80 or more yards rushing per game Minimum 10 games played, Since 2005 2011: 9 2010: 7 2009: 9 2008: 9 2007: 10 2006: 11 2005: 11 But regardless of how good Richardson might be, it is a pretty rare occurrence for a rookie running back to reach this plateau. Since 1995, only 14 rookies have managed to accomplish the feat, and not a one has pulled it off in any of the past three seasons. That group of "slow starters" includes a bevy of backs taken in the first round, such as Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown, Beanie Wells, C.J. Spiller, Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best and Richardson's former Crimson Tide teammate, Mark Ingram. Player Team Games Rush Yds TD YPG Chris Johnson 2008 TEN 15 1,228 9 81.9 Steve Slaton 2008 HOU 16 1,282 9 80.1 Marshawn Lynch 2007 BUF 13 1,115 7 85.8 Adrian Peterson 2007 MIN 14 1,341 12 95.8 Cadillac Williams 2005 TB 14 1,178 6 84.1 Clinton Portis 2002 DEN 16 1,508 15 94.3 Anthony Thomas 2001 CHI 14 1,183 7 84.5 Mike Anderson 2000 DEN 16 1,487 15 92.9 Jamal Lewis 2000 BAL 16 1,364 6 85.3 Edgerrin James 1999 IND 16 1,553 13 97.1 Olandis Gary 1999 DEN 12 1,159 7 96.9 Fred Taylor 1998 JAC 15 1,223 14 81.5 Eddie George 1996 HOU 16 1,368 8 85.5 Curtis Martin 1995 NE 16 1,487 14 92.9 Now let's throw another monkey wrench into the mix: Rookie Brandon Weeden is likely to start the majority of games at quarterback for the Browns. So while there likely isn't much in the way of competition for Richardson to get most of the carries with leftover parts such as Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson and Chris Ogbonnaya as his only rivals for the rock, there's also not a lot of experience in that huddle. Mistakes are bound to be made. Traditionally, Cleveland hasn't exactly been the birthplace of breakout backs. Before Jamal Lewis met our "80-10" benchmark in 2007 (in his eighth year in the league, mind you), you have to go back all the way to Mike Pruitt in 1979 to find another Browns runner to reach that goal. Even with the team's three-year "hiatus" in the 1990s, that's not exactly a stellar track record. Now nobody is saying that Richardson is going to be a complete bust, and certainly with Brad Childress as the team's new offensive coordinator -- the same man who coached Adrian Peterson when he broke on the scene in 2007 -- there's reason for optimism. Richardson should not only get a ton of handoffs, but will almost certainly be worked into the passing mix as well. He'll be in there on nearly every down. That said, playing in a division with three of the returning top-10 defenses against the run certainly makes the margin for error a lot smaller than had Richardson been drafted elsewhere. The Cleveland offensive line has just two members with more than three years of NFL experience (Alex Mack and Joe Thomas) and supplemental draft pick Josh Gordon may not be completely ready to step into the wide receiver mix out of the gate. In short, the Cleveland Browns are looking awfully green on offense, which makes me quite yellow when it comes to selecting Richardson any higher than the No. 15-17 running back off the board. Unless you're in a keeper league in which, much like Cleveland, you're already planning ahead for the future, you really can't afford to pick him any sooner. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, this is an article essentially for fantasy buffs and whatnots, but, I found this interesting from a stats perspective... I think that counting on Richardson for a TD EVERY OTHER GAME- is just setting your expectations just a tad bit low for the best Runningback to arrive on the scene in a long time. This guy is the exact type of runner you would build if you were building a franchise runningback. The guys is a shoe-in to be the NEXT BIG THING- AND IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL! I would safely bet that you can count on him to put up ATLEAST 1 TD PER GAME! I would also add in three to six games where he goes for atleast 2... Thats 22 TDS... I would think, and BET that he goes Beast MODE atleast once and gets an eye bulging 4 TDs in a single game! Mark Richardson down for 25+ TDs. It's kind of funny but since we took WEEDEN in the first round as well it's kinda shadowed Richardson thus far. A lot of the controversy has been on the QB(as it always is in Cleveland) and what will be done with Colt. Since Richardson is written in as the starter in INK from day 1 on, he has been, dare I say it- looked past. And 'Oh boy', that's one runningback that you SURELY DON'T WANT TO "LOOK PAST"! But honestly Browns Fans, I actually like it. It's given us some much more that the Defense has to prepare for: An upgraded Offensive Line, a new look QB(Whether it's Weeden or McCoy is moot, as I feel both will be outstanding with this offense surrounding them), A "Moss-Like" Supplemental draft pick, a promising young TE in Jordan Cameron and then our franchise BELL-COW! Wow, like I said Yo, SHOCK AND AWE!

It is so unfair that pig face and shitmur still have jobs!

We paid for Sheldon Brown and if he doesn't move to safety he'll start opposite Haden with Wright in the nickel, assuming he gets his shit back together. Coye Francies was active late in the year and he's a wildcard for depth. Might be another pick in round 5-ish, too... but not in the top three picks for sure. We need WR, pass rusher, and DE way more. In spite of a lack of pass rush, pass defense was one of the things we did best: 17th in opposing QBR and 8th in interceptions. You expect to get better with Haden starting all year and Ward with more experience.

mikeyP72 said:Eagles fans cry about losing in the playoffs, we cry about never making them. Yeah, but anything that makes Philthy fans cry is a good thing. I hate them almost as much as I hate Pittsburgh fans, but that's mostly because of the Flyers. I have no genuine hatred for the Eagles, other then Vick, but knowing that Philthy sports fans are crying in their Pabst, gives me a warm feeling.

@squintz said:I was there and was absolutely incredulous. It was like the other night when the refs called a safety on Boom Herron after he was pushed back from the 2 yd line and, after the remote had been thrown across the room, I sat there in utter amazement. Only bottlegate was 10x worse. It goes to show that as much as we hope that the game is won and lost by the players on the field, it doesn't take much for the a-hole refs to determine an outcome. Squintz,that call on Herron has to be one of the worst ever in football!!! He was stopped and mugged by two or three guys at the two or three yard line and pushed back into the end and legs kept moving, DUH, what was he supposed to elevate and hover? Absolutely, one of the worst calls ever in football at crucial point in the game. What the hell happened to forward progress. BTW, I was at the bottlegate game as well and that call was not nearly as bad as tuesday's which was conveniently forgotten by the media as they flagellated the last three days on tattoogate...........