I agree with T on the glock. Whether you want a . 45 or not. I have'em and love'em. If you want a sexy gun get the kimber. If you want a work horse that's not sexy the glock is top notch. I used to have a video of a guy that beat the living shit outa his glock. Basicaly he did everything possible to make it fail. Some of the things I remember is he soaked it in mud, water, sand, various media's of sizes like gravel to smaller than salt. Soaked it in rock salt and water for days, shot it with other guns, and I think he droped it out of a plane or hot air balloon. after all that it still shot even though it was rusted to shit it still patterned pretty good. check it out you will be impressed. the glocks simplicity is what makes it take the licking and keep on ticking.

mikeyP72 said:Record or no record Mangini was building something. This team is better off than they were when Mangini got here. Now let's hope Shurmur doesn't want to completely blow it up and start over. Moving to a 4-3 is a bad idea, starting from scratch AGAIN isn't an option right? Shurmur needs to know he has to win not start over and go 1-15 or 2-14. To me that isn't acceptable and he needs to be accountable. The fans and the city of Cleveland, especially right now, deserve better. I doubt he completely blows it up. There is going to be turnover, that was going to half to happen regardless of who the coach was. Our LBs are pedestrian, we can't keep using Barto, Trusnik, and Schaeffering as starters or big contributors. I would prefer we stay with the 3-4 as well, we will see how it goes. We still have lots of holes to fill.

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@rich4eagle said:Our great OLINE is so great that is why we won so many games again..............OH YEAH LMAO... Hi Rich... been a while.. hope you're well... would love to catch up sometime.

@gips said:Was blacked out here and had to watch it online...had a great stream though... was it the same stream you want to (and always have) send manginin down w/o a paddle?

@dawgtracker said:imho if mangini is forced out he will win a super bowl before the browns do. Imagine mangini taking over a very talented dallas team as an example. But, god better help holmgren if mangini ended up taking over an underachieving bengals team. Yeah right mangini is to mediocre and unintuitive to get anywhere without a premade championship team, he couldnt even get the jets to the playoffs, blame it on who you want but i agree with the jets it was mangini, the guy made a bad choice in hiring a friend as an assistant coach and betrayed the fans, lerner and even holmgren..he has to go and i say this with not a second thought.. If by some miracle magngini survives he will not survive but until the bye week next year, he does not have what it takes, however lamonte's stable is weak minus gruden or even getting ryan to be the HC are the only alternatives to firing mangini otherwise we may be better to keep him simply because we know how bad he actually sucks but some of lamontes guys like Mornhinweg or fox both suck as bad or worse.. And yeah all the mangini crap for and against is getting old but we wont have to tolerate it much longer

My roommate is a distributor of a really good weight lifting supplement called Advocare (I can't afford it and he is a distributor so he can afford it) and it is one of the top brands of supplements out on the market. Since my roommate is a distributor he gets newsletters telling him of professional athletes who have recently become sponsors and users of Advocare and the one he got a few months ago said that Colt McCoy in a new sponsor/user. This is stuff that most college kids, even the ones who are athletes, can not afford and he just started using them a few months after getting signed by the Browns. What I am getting form this is next year we could be seeing this kid throwing 45 yard accurate passes instead of just 35 yard accurate passes.

@gmp said:The Browns have not suffered a a single embarrasing loss???? Can you say Buffalo!! See how losing all these years makes you think...it's cool to lose as long as it's not by 30 no its cool to not be as bad as last year = improvement = Mangini is doing fine with what he has give him 1 more year...

@hoorta said:Well, his hyperbole wasn't playing well because it honked a bunch of us off. It's time to can the so and so is going to coach the Browns for the time being. NOTHING's going to happen until after the season, and there will be ample time for speculation then. I'm just tired of give the coach the heave-ho every 2-3 years routine. ZACTLY!

@thomaspro said:Hey man I told the Browns forum on cleveland.com they lost a poster. But they dont care. So sad what has happened to that forum. Why did it go downhill like that so fast? Yeah, the "MODS" allowed all kinds of stupid crap there......then ban people who actually talk football...