Well... Orson Charles too.. Higgins is up and down,  Perriman looked great yesterday. I wouldn't be too upset if one of those two guys went someplace else.

@medinadawg said:I can think of some tight ends that came from basketball! I don't thik QB's typically have the athleticism or speed to convert to WR. Pryor is the exception...6'5", 4.38 time. The Browns ought to invest all they can in his developement, teaching him route running and creating separation. How many defensive backfields could cover Pryor and Benjamin both running deep routes, and still cover intermediate receivers. Well, that is the experiment that will be undertaken. Hopefully it will have some success.

@hoorta said: I think you meant ship, but tickets? They'll be giving them away pretty soon. Got a new job for Johnny- selling beer at one of the concession stands. Perk is all the beer you can drink while you're working. How about this job for Johnny.....which seems to fit his skill set better: Put him in the Public Relations dept. Let him be a "glad hander", a ticket seller, a party host. I mean, if the Browns....or any other NFL team won't hire him for such a position, he would fit right in with a Las Vegas Casino. Let me guess what he was majoring in college while he was there (we know he didn't finish): Communications.

@lodilobo said:I suppose we have all " moved on" in our own ways. Have we accepted the ramifications of the move?...Hell No! Never have and never will. We have been transformed, in the last 20 years, from fans of a proud, winning NFL franchise, to fans of the worst team in the NFL. I envy the younger Browns fans. They haven't been around long enough to remember this team being a consistent contender, when a year that we didn't reach the playoffs was the exception....not the norm. I'm not certain if I have just naturally matured into a crabby old bastard, wishing for "the good old days", or the circumstances surrounding the Browns has done it. In fact, Gipper, if you read this, and you are still an active attorney, I would like to dfiscuss the possibilities of a class action lawsuit...Me vs. the NFL. You would have to take the case Pro Bono, of course. Personally...as I probably have suggested many times....I would have been thrilled if the NFL had disbanned the entire Browns organization in 1995, retaining all the records, and the new franchise becoming a completely different team, which it is anyway. This ridiculous crap, in my mind, is not the Cleveland Browns. Of course, legally, it is, but not really. You can put Porsche emblems on your '81 Chevette, but it's still a Chevette. I know there will be a bunch of you who will disagree with everything I said, but I don't really give a crap. In fact....go fuck yourselves! I told you I was a crabby old bastard. To answer the question....yes...I've moved on. nah, i don't disagree, but it seems i care less and less about this fucked up organization. I don't get quite as upset anymore. By tuesday its all forgotten. I have been a browns fan since 1963 and i am not even from cleveland. I'm orignally from the philadelphia area...Never rooted for any philly teams.Loved the browns because my dad told me to watch this guy named jim brown when he gets the football...back then we had black and white tv. I just followed the team from then on and you hit the nail on the head..This is not the cleveland browns...the name is but that's about it. I don't know what it is anymore. I now live in atlanta and they are my backup team. Hey gotta root for someone whose season isn't over in October yr after yr. They seem to be getting it right..I see what they are doing and i look at this pos team in cleveland and it makes me sick. Oh well, guess i'm a crabby old fart also..Can't stop father time though...hope i get to see a championship for the browns but right now it looks bad..

I blame Johnny Manziel and that 'eff'n Wreck the league' phone call... If he never made it, we could had landed Carr. Johnny Manziel can go Wreck himself.

McFadden??.....now?......hahahaha..... Time to move on.....

@nickers said: yes its unfair hes doing time served while Rapists, Killers and wife beaters are playing ball. sounds like real world problems to me.....

I would have had Rubin, Taylor, Shelton and Bryant down on the line

@tour2ma said: Kevin Meers... he dove into the data pool that you are fond of... "Taking data from www.pro-football-reference.com, I have created a much better system that more accurately values each pick in the NFL draft, similar to the work done by Chase Stuart. Pro-Football-Reference uses a metric called Career Approximate Value (CAV) that allows one to compare players across seasons and positions. It is not meant as the ultimate NFL statistic. It is useful for comparing large groups of players across time and positions, which is exactly the objective here. Using data from 1980 through 2005, I analyzed each overall draft pick from 1 to 224 (the 32nd pick of the 7th round in today’s draft). I found the mean, median, and standard deviation of the CAV for each pick from those 25 years, creating one set of data that represented the historical value of each pick. I then found the mean, median and standard deviation for this new dataset to determine the expected value of a normal draft pick. I then used that normal pick to standardize my data, finding the percentage value over average, or Career Approximate Value Over Average (CAVOA), for every pick in the draft." Ah....OK, very good. Yes, that is a stat I use often. I am wondering if in fact historically any particular draft choice actually ranks higher than a choice above it. I don't see any. But note this....in terms of a trade of 12 and 19 for #2: #2 has a value of 435.7. #12 and #19 combined have a total value of 528.2. In other words...those two combined would be overpaying by 92.5 points. WAY WAY WAY too much to give. Per this graff then the better value for value trade would be our #12....283.6 pts plus our #43 in the second round 157.5....for a total of 441.1 points to the #2 value at 435.7. So...if it had to be done....the real value of the trade should be our #12 and #43.....and keep #19.. A more equitable deal.

Technically I think we were a team of FAs in '99... so there's that...

Trade Mr. John rehab for whatever you can get. Its a new system again, so just call it a wash wish him. Draft Petty and develope him this year. he is 6' 3" and 230. We need a man in the pocket, not a scrambling little fella.

@tour2ma said: Ineffective office? I want to see McCarron... Typo

Clearly, you have channeled your inner Pythagoras.

@josephsuxdick said: You know for a guy who claims to be some sort of attorney, you sure do suffer from a lack of reading comprehension and contextual thinking. No I don't. I read and comprehend whatever the fuck you put on here just fine. Its just that mostly what you put on here is usually just fucking stupid....or obvious. What's OBVIOUS here is that I was actually responding to the poster's arrogant outlook, as if one Brownies win over the Steelers suddenly made thinking the Steelers had a chance in future match-ups simply ridiculous. And not simply his taking a Cleveland win for granted. How you can not grasp this simple concept is beyond me. I never took anything for granted. I suggest that you probably misread him. It was stupid for you to even argue the point. Even when you are right, you are stupid, So, sorry, your whole "no shit Captain obvious" thing is misguided and irrelevant. The obvious thing is that the Browns can by no means take any win for granted. The obvious thing is that the Browns cannot take making the playoffs for granted. The obvious thing is that the Browns could never take winning a playoff game for granted. Essentially, this is what you pointed out. You pointed out the obvious, Captain. Reading lesson over. You can expect my bill in the mail. The offset for my advice to you is probably something you cannot afford.