You have to realize that this was the last pre season game, used for the scrubs to figure out who will stay and who will go. Nothing more.
You SHOULD have realised that THIS was one of the last chances fans would get to see a Browns win in 2013-14.
Browns go 3- 13 +/- 1 win. Miami wins the opener, and it's downhill from there. 0 - 8 at the break.
Is it just me or has Kosar started to wear his hair like Ricxk Sponaugle?
Reality? Try ---- Ghooolie-ality.
Bernie Kosar said at the end of the broadcast what I have been telling you morons all along, for many years now........
When Bernie said..... Gordon and Little didn't get any seperation, he was telling you in a nutshell what I have been saying. When you have NO TALENT at the skilled positions, defenses have no reason to bite on play action, or any deep plays. I told you that by week three you would be crying in your beer because you will see NO DIFFERENCE between Chud's offense and Shurmurs.
Beat Miami? How the fuck do you propose the Browns will beat Miami without scoring touchdowns?
If Ghoolie can figure this shit out BEFORE seeing preseason, surely even the dumbest NFL head coaches after tonight realize that the Browns have ABSOLUTELY NO DEEP THREATS. CHUDs offense will be what Shurmurs was. Exactly the same thing.
SKILL PLAYERS make the offense, Not offense linemen, not tight ends............ The QB and the WRs are the most important positions on a football team. Ours stink and so too will the rest of the team follow.
3 - 13 =/- 1 win. Miami closes out a close game later on as the Browns fade. 24-13
I would fire Chud now, Today. Immediately. Oh, yeah, I know, I remember you geniuses told me I was nuts for wanting to fire Crennell after the first half of the first pre season game. Norv Turner? Chud? Downfield geniuses? LMAO.
So once again, the Ghoulmiester calls it way before it happens. Browns fans LOVE these shit players like Cribbs... who can do so many wonderful things",, I said before and again I can say I told you so. ZThe guy is too small to be a DE and too clumsy to be an NFL LB, yeah, like Winslow... he can do two things half assed. I saw this as another cortney Brown pick from draft day.
Cut the guy, now. Lets all enjoy another horses ass draft pick.
Are they just "cutting back", or did these guys do something.....including possess the wrong pigmentation. (Believe it or not, I think that sort of thing is happening.)
Are you out of your fucking liberal mind? Idiot!
This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personel, or what?
I routinely see other NFL teams create lanes and open up spaces for their running backs but we just can't seem to do this.
What's the deal?
THE DEAL IS THAT NONE OF YOU UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL.
The OL doesn't make running lanes, never did, never will and physiclly, can not open up runnng lanes. The OL consists of ONLY FIVE MEN. When an opposing defense can place all 12 defenders on RED ALERT to focus on everything within 7 - 10 yars of the LOS, there are simply too man defensive bodies for ANY OL to block.
The Browns have no deep threats, and defenses know this.
Skill players MAKE the OL. Always have, always will. If it wasn't for Jim Brown, Gene Hickerson would be unknown, even to Browns fans. Until the Browns have enough offensive threats to make defenses not only guess but accountfor multiple possibilities, then our L will be at a disadvantage.
When a defense has to account for many options eah play, it gives the OL the upper hand, THIS is what allows an OL to wear down an opposing defense. The BRowns simply hav no offensive potency, and this trend will continue.
As the resident naysayer, curmudgeon, and I believe only 58 year old guy , probably the only guy here to push up 8 wheels and a couple 10s, I am going to inject MY preseason analysis.........
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The Browns first units have executed plays, made some plays AND played better than their opponents, WHO, the last time I looked, were both NFL teams. While I have dismissed preseason with the adage of " nobody gets the Lombardi trophy in preseason", the fact of the matter is, preseason STILL counts in many, many ways.
Certainly, the guys who got injured cal ell you fist hand that the hitting and intensity IS real. Eh? As far as the bullshit of " look who they played", I submit to you that all ANY team can do is compete against the opponent put before them.
To anyone who has followed the Browns, even nasty ass me, you can see something different from any year I can remember. Some players are making plays and some of the plays are being executed quite nicely.
Nobody ever loses the Lombardi in preseason either, so lighten up.
Each team, coach and player has different objectives in preseason. It is a time to hone first units, weed out bad players, discover diamonds in the rough, and even make judgments on coaches and philosophies.
I can say this much, I watched the Browns this week during bowling. Other people, Memphians were making some positive comments when the Browns made plays So what does the preseason really mean? We fans don't have a fucking clue. There are so many variables, so many tests, trials and tribulations going on, it isn't a one-dimensional thing.
I know this much; watching the Browns so far I have felt some pride, and some hope. I have enough doubt in my own predictions that I think there is a possibility that I am going to have to pay that fucking knucklehead $100 on the over and under in total wins.
The preseason performance so far makes a lot of people think that this will be a fun year.
So for you naysayers, me included, be apprised you may eat cow, and Browns fans may have some nice things t crow about. I think that's what we have learned so far.
With all of this injury talk, I began to thinking about various players whose careers really were vastly curtailed by injuries. These are the "what coulda" been guys.
Start with this list:
Jahvid Best
Chris Beanie Wells
Curtis Enis
Robert Edwards
KiJana Carter
Blair Thomas
Marcus Dupree
Bo Jackson
Rickey Bell
Duane Thomas
and finally these two:
Joe Delaney
Ernie Davis
What do you think coulda/shoulda been with any of these guys? And can you think of other RBs?
Ernie Davis' career was cut short by Leukemia, not by an injury.
Ernie Davis would have turned Jim Brown into a second team player. He was bigger, faster and more versitile. The decision to draft him was what initiated Jim Brown's campaign to get Paul Brown fired. What PB did regarding Bobby Mitchell was indeed enough to cuse his firing.
But I thought, you said in another post that you didn't like living in the past............ This entire topic is based in the past.
if he can keep from playing injured most the season he will dominate.
If I can hit my target ever time tomorrow night, keep my head down through my shot and adjust before the lanes transition too much, I should shoot a perfect 900 series and my team will win the summer league championship.
Richardson gets hurt. Understand and accept that he will never domnate. He is never going to be a HOF back nor will he eer be a league-leadin star.
He is a good athlete but getting hurt is part of his net worth. He's gonna miss games and that's all there is to it.
Just ran across this, seems some people are taking note of the Browns:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1735000-which-nfl-team-is-set-to-make-the-biggest-leap-in-2013
These kinds of things make a fan feel good when his/her team is mentioned as an up and comer. The only thing is, each year, regardless if the author really thinks your team is going to make a statement, your team will inevitably make it onto one of these lists. Think about it, we are indeed in the class of shit teams/franchises where the only way to go is up. Secondly, they can't always list the same teams as ones to watch year after year.
I distinctly remember SI once having the Browns on the cover as the team predicted to win it all. The Browns had a losing season that year, I believe.
I see the Browns lacking at QB, WR TE and RB. I believe having average to below-avrage players in this ctegory will cause the team much problems. I could be wrong at 3 - 13 +/-.one win, but the Browns aren't going to the playoffs and 8 - 8, considering that 1 -5 just in the division alone is about the best we can hope for, this is not goin to be a dramatic change of much.
1-5 in the division, 5 - 5 elsewhere gets you to 6 - 10, but that 5-5 segment is a tough row to hoe.
Is this team going to be better than last' year's? There is no indication at all. All we know is that once again, th people involved have changed. Change alone is not an indication of coming victories.
I think we'll see richardson not being forced to play every single down, not being ridden in to the ground like he was under shurmur last year. With Dion Lewis looking as good as he is, I can see him getting maybe 25% or more of the carries, especially when richardson does have a slight knock. Those little injuries that can be exacerbated by continuing to play every down on every series, won't be as troublesome hopefully.
This is the same logic as not playing guys in the preseason to keep them from getting injured.Total nonsense. Wear and tear due to many plays is only one way players get injured. The NFL is viscious and a guy can get hurt on ANY play. Richardson's past ijuries have not been caused because of his carrying the ballso many, many times, He get's hurt randomly and he does so because he is on the fragile side.
I had this same argument a few years ago when I wanted to get rid of Hardesty, and also back in the Day with Courtney Brown.
When guys get injured early on, and they get injured a second time, the handwriting is on the wall. Now, I am not talking about a QB who gets lambasted, but instead about a player whose position involves regular contact.
If his body gives in early and repeatedly, you have to be a fucking buffoon not to understand that it is going to keep happening.
This is why I advocated drafting the RB the Steelers did. I like TR, but he is a short-term player, and if as I believe teams stack the box against the 2013 Browns, he is likely to get hurt again. I cringe thinking about him running every time he carries the ball.
To predict Browns success based on this guy gaining 1200 yards and making 15 TDs is a real stretch.
People that don't understand football somehow believe that by popping a guy in and out he will magically avoid those plays that can injure him. This is like sinning a slot machine only every 90 seconds thinking that you are going to avoid all the losing spins.
Football players get paid millions to play football. If there is worry about him geting reinjured or having yet another new injury, it is because the gur is fragile. And finally, I will say it again, as I did with RG3, once a guy is hurt, in a league of sharks, his probability of future injuries goes way up.
Zombo said:
I think he will have a career similar to Emmitt Smith, who averaged 4.2 yards per carry for his career.
They are both short guys with big legs and burst who can fire through a hole, and good receivers too.
In fact they are eerily similar.
Emmit's rookie year: 937 yards 3.9 ypc 11 Tds
T-rich rookie year: 950 yards 3.6 ypc 11 TDs
Guess what happened in Emmitt's second year? The Cowboys hired some dude named Norv Turner as Offensive Coordinator.
Emmitt during Norv's three years as Cowboys OC:
1,563, 4.3 and 12td
1,713, 4.6 and 18td
1,486, 5.3 and 9td
So Trent gets 1500, yards, 12 TDs and 4.3 ypc this year ... I think we can live with that.
Richardson is a little heavier, but he may be a little shiftier too.
Zombo
-- by the way, Aikman jumped from a 66 rating to an 86 rating his third year ... Norv's first year as OC
Richardson is nothing like Emmit Smith. Richardson is not durable and never in his career was he known for being successful as a plow horse with 7 ad 8 men stacked at the line. He is indeed a talented runner, albeit one on a short career path due to being fragile. His strength is in getting yards once he is past the LOS.
If things go the way I see it, that is to say, the lack of skilled players on offense will allow teams to continue putting all their focus near the LOS, Turner's oddense, by mid season will look no different than Shurmurs and Richardson will have less success than he did in 2012. I see Richardson missing 4-5 games, posting 3.5 ypc, 700 yards and maybe 8-9 TDs.
Preseason protocol. Don't want the starters to get hurt now
Idiot protocol. If guys are that fucking frasgile to get hurt in teh 4 game preseason, they why the fuck ever play them at all? Play the hit players until they all get hurt, and then bring the first team in around game 13. That way they won't have such a high probability of getting hurt.
Dumbest fucking philosophy ever.
Teams with guys like Brady, Ben, AJ Gren, James Harrison, that is to say, proven, superstars don't need to be played, but not for injury concerns, they can it back and let the young guys get seasoning.
But our team blows Honey Boo Boo ass. Play em!
Cinci looked great. All three offnsive units and QBs were banging on all cylinders.
A lot of talk and a ot of hope.
Ah yes, preseason. This is where mental masturbation is at the season's high. Some of you really didn't have to and shouldn't have posted, because this is the same scenatio every year since 1999. Here is the generic, fill-in-the-blank nonsense.
On and on it goes, mental masturbation projecting that all the ills of last year, in one felled swoop have been fixed and FINALLY............ YES YES YES... FINALLY (jerk, jerk, jerk, can you hear the jerking off?)....... we are on teh glorious road to recovery.
If you like 4 wins? Yeah, this is gonna be great.
The Browns talent is no better than it was in 2013. There has been no addition of meaningful talent, only some shitheads who you guys BELIEVE are the fix, only based on the fact that the guys who you applauded last year,as " the fix", sucked when it was all said and done.
There is no real uper echalon talent on this team. We don't really have anyone, save Joe Thomas (who still was a dumb pick and should have been traded to move up a few years ago). who would start for any of teh 2013 playoff teams. Weeden is going to get creamed.
Most meaningless ple of shit to ever be posted. A 5 -man OL whould will get dominated again because the Browns have no offensive threats and will face 8 and 9 in the box.
NO 5 MEN CAN BLOCK 9 MEN.
BY the way, The Steelers got a monster at OLB, we got a guy who is going to get pushed all over hte place.
Yes, blast the guy for pointing out hypocrisy. Joe JOnes pile driving Bradshaw was far worse. I agree with Sky, Harrison hit Coly cleanly and nicely. here was no chanceto get his head out of the way.
Colt was a sissy.
Oh yeah, tel me again how back in week 3 when I said this was Colt's last stand, that I didn't know football?
People have to be realistic about this.
If you or I had RG3's injuries, we would heal just fine. Certainly this kind of would not stop TimCouchPullsOut from having the flexibility he needs on his job bending and saying "AHHHH" at the local glory holes. However for a pro athlete?
Look, the NFL brings in the biggest, fastest, hardest hitting, most physical athletes in the world. Worse? They don't need steroids any more. Anyone can go to the "shot-nurse" and get 100% testosterone shots, of which there is no regulation and there can be no regulation against T blood levels. The days of testing for unfair T boosts form residual steroid by-products in the liver are gone. The flood gates are open kiddies, the new NFL player is a short lived, over muscled, violent mutha fukka who is going to decimate anything he hits, and in short time, himself as well.
RG3 is a run-first QB. Unlike a RB, he isn't build thick, and he doesn't run in a compact manner through a hole. He runs out in the open where guys can build up big speed and whack him good.
Again, the speed he has lost would be meaningless to us, but to RG3? WIth the monsters he has coming at him? It could litrally, without joke, find him crippled, brain dead, or surely with legs hat will ache him all the days of his post 30 year old life.
And now that he has lost a step? His fate is even worse. HIs ass clown of an organization is going to try to make him a pocket passer and he will fail because he just isn't wired that way. As he fails, he will feel the need to make up for it and be the hero.
Running when he shouldn't, tackling guys that pick him off and getting collapsed?
It isn't just the re-injure of his knee that makes him a risk. He is the quintessential bleeding tuna in a shark school. If you think guys are not gunning extra hard to be the one who sends him home a cripple, if you think they are not salivating to be the guy who fucks him up for good, then you have a simpleton's view of te NFL.
This kid is going to have an early, painful and pathetic exit from the NFL.
Ballpeen says the spread is here to stay? Yep, with loser coaches and dickhead organizations.
A QB is the job of a general surgeon. He has to have a great brain to lead 22 men, and he has to have a surgical instrument to carve up his victims. RG3 has neither. Favre, Elway, Brady, Marino, Kelly, Kosar, Bradshaw, and others all had that, And none of them ever had injuries that they couldn't recover from. Over 8, 9 years? Sure, but as slow as Bernie was....... he got rid of the fucking ball, I don't ever remember him running like an asshole to be the hero. He ran with guts, and te smarts to get what he could and get the hell out of the way.
Great QBs live to play another game.
RG3 is a disaster that has already been written down into history. He is the Nascar crash that you know you will see this year.
Coaches need to stop teaching kids like RG3 to be quarterbacks. RG3 isn't pro quarterback material, and never was. Is he athletic? Yep. Can he pull of some amazing things at QB? Yep. Can he lad a team to multiple playoff years. No, his career is closer to the grave than it is the cradle.
I'm thinking shitty musician/ internet troll tops the list. If you look at college degrees, offensive lineman are some of the smartest guys in football.
Where to start dissecting this nonsense? Shitty musician? Ah, credentials say otherwise, but really, thanks for playing. Maybe try again sometime? Give West Side Steve a holler, you guys likehim, he's played with me, you can get a reference form him.
Internet Troll? Not at all. While my posts indeed to piss Browns fans off, let's be honest, what really pisses people off about me is that much more often than anyone here, I am dead on. Well, perhaps #1 on the piss-off list is that I keep pounding it in way past the point of nosebleeds.This much, I agree with. I get it, it is bad enough that I am right all the time, but continually urinating on your pennant-of-annual-Brown-hope before it can ever dry out between pee-pee trips can alienate folks. I get it. I am going to not repeat this post again, although at the end of the year, you guys will again have to feast on it, since I will save it. Trust me, even not hearing it all year? LMAO, you will hear the echos as the team locks itself into last place.
But let me go on the record and tell you how I see it.
So lets summarize okay? Then I won't have to explain why 3-12 might have been a stretch.
1)Nobody to threaten deep
2)Weeden holds the fucking ball too long, even longer than McCoy, Anderson, Frye, and Couch, He's gonna get killed.
3)The OL will get decimated. NO FIVE HOF OL can block 8-9 defensive players who know what is coming at them.
4) Richardson will be less productive this year than last, and there is no way he won't get fucked up, maybe for good! The guy the Steelers drafted will do better, TR needs a big fullback and WRs who can take pressure of the LOS.
Sorry man, but I see this the same way I saw it with Crennel, Shurmur, and now this latest Bozo. Our material is very, and I mean VERY low on the NFL totem pole. Be enthusiastic, but you cannot win games with shit. We have shit.
You were way to dumb, lifer, to get anywhere near slowing my roll. Only time you got near me, loser, was when you picked up my overflowing piss specimen which would always be clean. I had no problem at all telling you lifer losers what I though of you when I was with the fleet and twenty five years later I would tell you the same thing to your face. I got a real job when I finished my time........underachieving wanna-be-cops like you enjoyed spending twenty years with a bunch of squid homos.
why don't you spend some of your 1500/mo retirement pay and go by yourself a bottle of Wild Irish Rose, lifer-loser
I have to agree here, a military man who leaves teh service to become..... a cop? A COP? Let's be honest here, in the draft of life, cops are like offensive linemen. Not the brightest bunch, are they?
Cleveland Browns announce plans for enhancing fan experience
The Cleveland Browns released plans today for enhancing the fan experience at FirstEnergy Stadium on gameday. Last week, Jimmy Haslam told the media at training camp that the Browns have two long term goals that drive everything they do. The first is to build a sustainable winning team, and the second is to provide great experiences for the fans.
Today, team president Alec Scheiner unveiled some of the steps the Browns are taking to improve the gameday experience for the fans.
It started with the fans’ ability to use their cell phones and other mobile devices. The Browns have coordinated with the major cell phone service providers in the area to enhance service at a crowded stadium. Scheiner promised fans a much better signal.
The Browns would like for fans to be in the stadium and excited early. In order to get fans to their seats they have installed 20 new turnstiles around the stadium and opened 44 new security “chutes” or checkpoints. They have also added “express lanes” for fans that do not have any bags to search. The goal is to get 4,000 more fans through the gate every 15 minutes compared to 2012.
The team announced that there will be new pregame music including a DJ on the field and new video elements. Player introductions will be completely new as well. The Browns say that fans will not want to miss those introductions.
The Browns will also use a drumline this season, and what they say will be “inventive” halftime entertainment.
In addition, the Browns installed more than 100 new televisions to fan areas and upgraded the merchandise available throughout the stadium.
Obviously the best way for the Browns to pack the stadium is with a winning, exciting football team. Boosting cell phone signals, getting fans in the gates quicker and updating the in-game entertainment is not done at the expense of the former.
44 turnstyles is a GREAT addition. It is a sonofabitch to gt out of that stadium with everyone leaving the the third Quarter.
