While I agree with all the reactionaries being out of line, there were still some things I saw that worry me. Wimbley still looks to me like he's lost with no savvy. Pool still looks like he just doesn't get it. Corey Williams is the slowest 3/4 end in football, that dude must run a 5.9 in the 40. I did like Rubin.

@fairhooker11 said:since 1965 for us old timers... I hear ya Fair. - Frank Pitts

@tobalaz said:Fraley was on his downside with the Eagles and was servicable when we brought him in. He's starting to look a little like Andruzzi out there, he's taking more of a pounding than he's giving. What we need is a big chunk of beef with a decent head on his shoulders so he can make line adjustments to snap the ball to whoever is going to be playing qb and stuff guys like Hampton and Nagata without having to tie up one of the guards in the process. I think we could get a guy like that mid round 2 to early 3 that could split reps with Fraley this season and be good to go next season, and if we could give up DA to get a pick on draft day that would allow us to take that kind of guy I'd be all over it. So who do you guys fits that build the most? Would it be Max Unger (6'5" 309lbs Oregon), Jonathan Luigs (6'4" 301lbs Arkansas), Eric Wood (6'4" 310lbs Louisville) or maybe Antoine Caldwell (6'3" 309lbs Alabama)? Unless we get a trade down I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of us getting a guy like Alex Mack (6'4" 311 lbs California) who is probably the crown jem for centers this season. Given the influx of guys EM has dragged in, do you think center should be our bigger priority than guard this season? AND If we could get Wells and Mack in the first off of a trade down would you take a LB in the 2nd and be happy? Just food for thought. Yes, I'd be happy, there is some real value with OLBs in the top of round 2. I keep thinking that in one of the first drafts Mangini had with the Jets he took a LT and a center in round one. I could very well see a center taken in round two, but I can also see him taking a SS (even if we get Elam). There is a lot of value with Centers, SS, WR and RBs in round two.

@eqrulz101 said:While I think we have done a decent job getting on coaching staff, and want to believe that we now have winners in place. How the hell did we not make it work with Pioli when we were the front runners? The chiefs get the highest prospect GM out there and now they are gonna get the best coach out there with him? Man, Lerner for all his talk about wanting to get it right sure seems like we got the raw end of this deal. I haven't read any of the replies, so if I echo some, you know why. Pioli is the first guy we talked to. Reports were his demands were set way too high.....maybe on purpose. Has it occurred to anyone maybe he didn't want to come to Cleveland? He has been in Cleveland early in his career....maybe he or his wife just don't like the place...that is possible...I think his attitude was "the only way I go there is if they pay me so much and give me so much control, I can't say no". We have to quit assuming just because we have a job open that everybody in the world automatically wants it....for any number of reasons. Like it or not, Cleveland isn't everybodys dream destination As for Shanahan....he wasn't even available when we selected Mangini.....but I may be wrong on that. At any rate, I feel better with a young coach who really will make any mark here in Cleveland..Shanahan will always be a Raider or a Bronco. Nope....I feel great with Mangini. I think we got a great up and comer. He has had a few years in NY where he was able to cut his teeth in the position...step in here and avoid some of the mistakes he may have made there...I think it is a perfect hire, both in man and career time line. As to the GM...the way it is set up, the coach is going to have more of the say...at least as I see it and from the sound of it...as long as Mangini and Kokins or whoever ultimately gets the GM position can work together and work to build the team from the same set of blueprints, I don't think it matters much who is in the position. All of the people being mentioned have time in the league and have built a reputation of being sound football people....it isn't that hard to identify football talent...we as fans can do that almost as good as any scout. The key is their ability to work together so it comes together. We have ideas we need backers, and maybe we do, but these guys may think something else, and that isn't wrong. There are several ways to approach this, and as long as we do so with a plan and determination, we can bring it all together.

I probably won't catch his press conference (no pun intended), so is there anyway that he could show us on gameday how much he wants to play football and be part of some success around here? I'll watch next Sunday, tell him to display this passion then.

\ said: \ said:maybe Crennelephant is so emotionless because he really has no clue what is going on. He probably gets too hungry to concentrate. Maybe the Browns should hire a Crennelephant a Doughnut holder. Dude, Crennelephant? I am laughing my ass off. IS that an original? Doesn't matter it is funny as all hell. You know, think of it this way, Goose Gosich had one pitch, the heater. It didn't matter if you knew it was coming, thats what you got. Perhaps Crennel just figured he had teh right scheme to stop the Bronchitisisans. haha no others have used the phrase around here. I thought it was funny too, so I like to use it now and then.

Martz would be a dreadful pick for OC. He has no use for a running game and gets QBs killed. Plus, I can't imagine getting any kind of track meet going in Cleveland anytime after, say, the middle of September. Dennis

Crennel probably didn't even choose the D calls in NE, I'm sure he ran everything past Bellichik first.

Im up to having a few, let me know when.

\ said:Well we always say next year, but I have to say I really feel like next year can be a good one for us. We need some more help on defense, maybe a big name free agent and a good LB with our first pick in the draft. Quinn looked extremly well out there, poised, making great desions, buying recievers time when they needed it and making some very good throws. I dont know about you guys but with 1:14 left I actually felt like we had a shot, I felt like our team felt like we had a shot. We didnt get it but I guarentee that Quinn will have many come from behind victories over his career. We have seen our future and as painful as this loss is, I come away from this game with alot of hope. I am right with you. Now it is one game, but I at least saw a QB that looked like a leader (something this team is lacking).

GO BROWNS!!!

\ said: The game will be simulcast on NFL.com just like the Sunday night games, so if you don't get NFL Network, just go to the website and you can watch it there. http://www.nfl.com/live/landing?icampaign=...ive_ClevvsDen_1 thanks!