@the-fan-of-steel said:I was kind of surprised you did not bet after watching us play the last few weeks. There was a reason my favorite team only had 1 win in 12 tries so there will be better years to put cake down on them. Therefore, I just wanted to try to enjoy watching the game without any unnecessary distractions. I was watching it to see what players I could get positive/excited about for next year in high hopes we wouldn't the punchline of every joke on every network again. The win was a gift I thought the players fought hard to deserve. I hear what you are saying about Polly; but I also think you feel that way because of wear and tear more so that who can mean more when both are healthy. His 4.2 speed showed up in alot of big plays for that defense over the last few years which provided 21 other starters with an enormous margin of error. If Ben gets 1 or 2 more concussions it could be curtains; and it's not like they are protecting him well with more games to play. In a league so driven by passing and rule changes promoting it, QBs and SAFETIES are emerging as the X-factors for success. Understanding this, it also means quite a bit more wear and tear to both positions so you gotta have some luck in keeping them healthy. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and even Indy can't seem get their All Pro Safeties on the field from the ergonomics and demands of this reality. Meanwhile, look at all the recent injuries (and concussions) that have occured with the following QBs this year: Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Ben, Matt Ryan, Kyle Orton, Kurt Warner, Hasselbeck, Bulger, Delhomme and even Vince Young (tweaked knee at practice). It certainly helps me to understand the new trend of WildDawg to take some of the wear and tear off passers and give defenses more to think about than just pinning their ears back and predictably rushing the passer most of the time. When a Favre has acces to a back like AP and a slot guy like Harvin - how often do you see him getting sacked outside of Arizona? You don't because his surounding environment prevents it. - Tom F.

@atenears said:Oh for crying out loud, get over the tearing down of a stupid mural. I'm a diehard Browns fan and I could care less of some stupid mural getting moved or taken down, or whatever the hell happened to it. Yeah, screw that team chemistry and everything it stands for. To start out doing this should have been a huge red flag to every fan that this guy had no idea what he was dealing with. Although I find it interesting that a STEELERS fan should care more about the browns team chemistry than someone who says he is a life long browns fan. You know Stan, it's not just the mural. It's been pretty much everything the guy has done... or not done. Tearing down that mural was just the beginning of a series of blunders that tore up team chemistry. But who needs team chemistry right?

@inspecta said:Fluges, you ever stop and consider it could be this bet that keeps our losing streak alive with Pitt? I say don't bet this man again till we win one against them. We gotta start doing stuff differently... This should make you feel better - we didn't even bet on this game in 07 or 08. I took a well timed RAC sebatical from this bet. Believe me when I tell you that me putting cake on this game has LESS to do with our losing than the talent we've had assembled and the coaches we had directing that talent. - Tom F.

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@kosarfan said:This whole Cowher / Jets thing is BS. It's fuel for controversy. Leave it alone, pay no further respect to this issue, it doesn't deserve the time. Read any NFL press of recent, Cowher is coaching no where and even if he was, there is nothing saying he is headed to NY. Jump into the therads about Pioli and his rejime, THAT is very real and relates to Cleveland. Don't allow this to be a Cowher Forum, it's a Browns forum. LOL, yeah when they offer to give Cowher 10 million a year to coach and give him complete control, he will sign. He has stated all along he wants to wait until 2010 to coach, but nobody expected the Jets to have an opening at this time. If he is talking to them, there is a good chance he will sign with them.