@baconhound said:The drive and the fumble stick with me more than the team movingThe drive (to tie remember) was Super Bowl or bust. The fumble in Denver (again to tie) was also tragic. The move spurred largely for Federal Tax reasons (to pass the team on to his family) and some greed and spite thrown in -but- ended up costing Cleveland fans more dearly than that. We lost NFL football for three long seasons and had to start from below scratch, a real Death Penalty! When JAX and CAR came into the league the NFL didn't want a repeat of Tampa Bay so they got quite liberal with the available pool players and rules, both made the playoffs in near record time (1950 BROWNS have the record! ) Well the owners cut back when it came to the BROWNS coupled with a bad FO and we're still paying for that today....... 20 years after Cleveland lost a team.

@unsympathetic said: Here is the list of urban areas ordered by population. Population = potential demand for the owners. StL is 20th, Cbus is 36th. But the key to determining team location isn't just population count: It's whether or not the owner can get more corporate welfare from his current city - or the next metro area. Just like I hoped against the Olympics here in Boston -- they wanted to hold wrestling in Lowell, of all places -- I hope an NFL team never lands in Columbus.. because the money given away never matches the things that sprout up solely due to the NFL team. Columbus has admirably spent years diversifying the businesses housed in Columbus to reduce the impact of any one boom-and-bust cycle on overall city economy... and any NFL team will throw a wrench into those plans. NFL teams do not "add jobs" -- rather, cities would achieve better results by taking the taxes they would otherwise give to the owner and actually hiring people with that cash.. ideally by increasing their small business loans, or some such. [Or fixing roads, or actually funding education at a level that isn't reminiscent of a tinpot 3rd world dictator, etc] You can hire a lot of people with a labor budget of $200 million dollars each year. The question isn't "have the team or not" -- rather, the question is "what should we do with 5% of our budget." The city will still acquire and spend the same amount of your tax dollars. The one bit of non starter with your urban area link is that, unlike the DMA, it does not provide the right data that the NFL wants. Example....it divides Akron and Cleveland and Canton into separate urban areas......but for purpose of television marketing, product marketing (especially something like NFL football) that data is too disparate. NFL markets are set as essentially a 75 mile radius from the center city (or perhaps from the stadium where the team plays). That market area is institutionalized into their "Blackout" rules. While Akron/Canton/Youngstown are within the Browns marketing area, Columbus and Toledo are not. Columbus is outside anyone's specific area, while Toledo is inside the Lions market area. Dayton is inside the Bengals.

We won in the Brown Pants... therefore I like them... Q.E.D. Edit: Did not realize Ben had such nice gams... Someone's a little jel...

I'll do the ones in my lifetime. 1. Cleveland Browns beating the heavily favored Baltimore Colts 27-0 in 1964! 2. Ohio State Buckeyes beat USC in the 1969 Rose Bowl 27-16 to win the National Championship. 3. Cleveland Indians getting to the World Series in 1995! I went to game 4 and the Tribe lost 5-2. 4. Cleveland Indians getting to the World Series in 1997 but losing. 5. Sandy Alomar Jr hitting the homerun to win the 1997 All-Star game. I was sitting in the Club Seats that night! 6. In the 1986 playoffs the Browns beat the Jets 23-20 in double overtime! I was sitting in the Dawg Pound that day! 7. In the 1987 playoffs the Browns beat the Indy Colts 38-21 and I was sitting in the Dawg Pound! 8. I went to my first Browns game in 1974 and watched the Browns beat the Denver Broncos. Brian Sipe replaced Mike Phipps and scored on two short TD runs that day. 9. I went to my first Tribe game in 1968 with my parents and family but the Tribe got beat 5-0 by the dreaded New York Yankees! My "hero" when I was a kid was Rocky Colavito and he was in a Yankee uniform that night but I waved to him anyway! 10. The Cleveland Browns coming back in 1999! It was a victory for every Browns fan anywhere!

The last time I seen a hockey game was in the mid 90's when the Lumberjacks were in the IHL. I still have the puck lol.

@speedyd900rr said:What the fuk are you talking about? I have one screen name and dont even have a you tube account. Even my email is the same as my sn here on the Browns Board. Just so you know I blocked you because your a troll and I got sick of reading all of your douche bag post that make no sense. I didn't respond to your e-thug threats because I couldn't see what the hell you were even saying to begin with. Im doing it this once to set this shyt straight. Maybe you need to check your boyfriend, maybe he's the one who's fuking with you little man. I have much better things to do then to fall into your troll traps. Now pull your thumb out of your moms ass and start thinking about what execuses your going to make as to why you cant make it to Kent. Also, how come every other post you have to mention me? What's it like having me on your mind 24/7 knowing I wont bend over like you and your bother used to do for daddy before he was on Cops and got sent away? lol well then maybe it was that Retard Clevelandsound e-stalking me. The only reason I've been mentioning you is because I thought it was you. It was certainly one of the Retards on this message board. I could care less about your mentally challenged ass otherwise and I will be in Kent towards the beginning of September. I have a few college friends still in Stow and we're going to Cedar Point.