Glad we didn't end up going to this game...what a disappointment....

@ballpeen said: To not get through is pretty telling IMO. 110% telling.  Instructions to the grand jury [words may be different by county but the message is not] are that if you think the evidence is even 51-49, you're supposed to vote to indict.  That's the words we were told when I served on a grand jury. The method of pulling grand juries is a decent cross-section of people they'd need to convince in that area to get that conviction --- Where I lived if your name was given a low enough number, you were legally sitting in that seat on that jury no matter what you would rather be doing with your time. 2 random collections of people were created who didn't think the totality of prosecutorial evidence passed even a sniff test.. saying nothing about the rigor of an actual trial. Grand juries take notes and debate to come up with decisions just like any other jury -- there's discussion of "Remember Jeff said this, that means he couldn't have been at the corner of Broad+High when Sally said he was". You'd really have to be starting with a desire to find guilty regardless of fact to think a 3rd or 4th grand jury would deliver a different outcome..

so wait did i read this correctly ? D.W is only gonna cost us 1 million on the cap this year ?  and cooper re did his deal  no wonder we have cap space this year

@unsympathetic said: Contract Details An NFL contract is better thought of as an agreement to sign 16 individual equal checks. If the player misses a game, he misses that check. I was going to say this.  @unsympathetic said: (...) unless the agreement is "fully guaranteed" or "guaranteed for injury" [and the player has an injury]. Note that the Cousins deal with the Vikings was the first fully guaranteed multiyear deal in NFL history -- and there hasn't been one since. My .02 : there will never be another. And I didn't know this. That's interesting. 

Or garbage points count!  (Happens when teams are way behind and just chuck the ball, who needs superstars! ).   

@hish747 said: You think they went through organizing a list of 250 items just to prop up the Browns fans? That's pretty flattering.They must think that we're pretty special. Maybe the author was in a Browns fan. 

@hish747 said:While watching last nights game with the Saints (and others), I can't believe how many stupid irrelevant penalties the refs waste time on. Each time a penalty will be clearly denied, or doesn't really effect a play, or even worse when the ref announces "there is no penalty on the play because..." I mean there's Kizer's brilliant long touchdown pass towards the end of the game and the energy is high, the refs stop everything to announce a penalty on the defense which will obviously be declined. Why bother, kill the momentum and slow the game down? With number of legitimate penalties and commercial breaks, the game becomes almost unwatchable. The NFL should really review whether there is any point in calling these stupid penalties at all. Lost in the discussion, it's a personal foul, roughing the passer, 15 yrds enforced on the kick off. No opportunity to decline a personal foul.

the wife now has her extended weekends of rolling from HGTV fixer uppers thru Monday with a Bachelor trying to fix him upper with 30 hot dingy women..Damn I miss MNF already..EDIT--now back to the show..Great that RG3's foundation funded some of the money up front to improve a veterans home. But in great RG3 fashion, just like on game days. RG3 Disappears at the end of the Show ...sorry but somebody had to hit that hanging curve-ball..

And what is awesome Poetic ....the pics are the Bills and Browns so we get 2 of the first 7 picks

I am a fan of moving down in this draft. I however wouldnt want to move down beyond 10 at the lastest and I would have to involve the teams 1st round pick and their 2nd round pick.

@miktoxic said: i think the tour can handle himself. my post was more to get a feel of where you're comin from. welcome to the forum. just realize that i like to bust chops but even though sometimes it might seem personal, it isn't. i love my browns' brethren. -peace. LET'5 GO BROWNS!!! No worries brother, having read many of both of your posts, I have a healthy respect for both The Tour and The Toxic. Also, it's nice to be welcomed by one of the elder statesman of the forum.

Fair enough.

Right... he subbed for TR... major sin... TR should play every snap because a #3 pick should never get tired... C'mon man...

@hoorta said: Surprised they didn't pick the PacMan return- and he should thank the Browns for some atrocious tackling attempts. To be fair he did get # 2 or 3

@xanthros said: I totally agree, this is not a playoff bound team at this point, but at least instill some confidence in your team by giving them some gutsy calls to go for. If nothing else as you said it will pump up the defense that you are trying to push the envelope. Instead its just sending a bad message to everyone that they don't have the tools to win. It would really be nice for once to have a coach that said screw convention and played with grit and determination, not rely on the kicking staff to "keep them in the game". The other team sees the lack of confidence and feeds off of it. Right, not only that, but the coach himself says we give up a lot of yards between the 20 yard lines. What difference does it make to try a 4th and inches at midfield since you expect the opponent to wind up there anyway. I don't think this coach really thinks things through. As this team continues to improve, we can't tolerate a coach's poor planning and decision making to keep us from being competitive.

@tour2ma said: It ain't close to "the truth"... ... and for the record I don't want to fire Wheeeedon, just bench him. He's just not ready for the NFL. He's clearly not ready. How could I be so stupid.

Not that I don't disagree with not going for two, but our offense was completely pathetic, and we probably wouldn't have gotten it anyways, so you take a 2 FG lead instead of a 5 point lead.