@hx214 said:Honestly I really hope we draft Defense with our first pick. We really need a pass rush DE or a LB. We have got to be one of the oldest teams in the NFL on the Defensive side of the ball. Plus, I could do without another Braylon fiasco... I'd like to see them go out and get a proven WR, rather than bet high on a rookie. I think if they could find a true no 1 MoMass, Cribbs and Stuckey could be a pretty solid core. (Maybe Williams will be a good surprise) I just really think we need to address the age issue on D. I'd give up a number 2 all day to get a guy like Boldin.... Damn Ravens... Defensive ends aren't the pass rushers in the 3-4. The defensive line in the 3-4 has a two-gap responsibility more often than not. That means they eat the blocker in front of them, and are responsible for the gap on either side of them. Therefore, the defensive linemen need to be on the bigger side. Most times, the pressure from a 3-4 defense is generated from a blitzing OLB scraping the edge. That's why a lot of us love Marcus Benard, he's an OLB with a nose for the QB. Defensive ends in the 3-4 tend to be around the size of 4-3 defensive tackles. And the noseguard in the 3-4 tends to be around the size of a small planet. Since most college teams run the 4-3 defense, a pass rushing DE would more likely be an OLB for us. We're probably going to be looking for a "tweener". Brian Orakpo is a great example. He played defensive end at Texas, but now plays OLB for the Redskins. Aaron Curry is another good example. I'd love to see us nab an Orakpo or Curry type player. I was hoping we drafted either one of them, but it never panned out. Larry English was another pass rusher I was high on. But instead we traded back and got Alex Mack, and I can't complain about that.

I have always been a big fan of al harris, a great bump and run cover corner with great tackling ability, i wouldn't mind him starting over wright to be honest, maybe sign him to a 1year deal.

yeah, it seems this is Thomas' worst year yet. in fact it's arguable he had more success in his rookie year. he's getting burned by the bull rush more than before, needs to step it up. maybe less camera time>>>more weight room? quite possible he won't make the pro bowl this year, but still a great left tackle. Mack was also a great pick imo--takes a lot of the LCB sting away. Fraley was a great pick-up and a decent bandaide but he was no LCB or Mack. can't wait to see him in year 3 after several years in the system, considering it's still the same of course.

Delhomme is better than DA and I think it's pretty obvious. Heck, even grandpa Farve is far better....when standing. Jake has the same issue as lots of good veterans like Warner (isnt playing but could) have. Hit him a few times and the season is over. That's why Jake was let go and young Matt Moore is QB for Carolina. DA will do o.k in AZ, and I'm not surprised they took him. The rest of the country saw things different from what Cleveland residents saw. No one expected anything out of DA and he produces 2007 season. Then everyone expects 07 repeat in 08, ....well everyone in Cleveland anyway, but the team sucks and having idiot coach doesn't really help the whole situation. So, 3-5 start actually wasn't bad and whole season should have ended at 7-9 or with some luck 8-8. Heck, you saw the rest. There's a good reason 49 other states submitted a petition to rename Cleveland Browns to Clusterfunk Browns (n is silent). I don't think other teams look down on DA as much because his career started in a very dysfunctional franchise. Go ahead disagree with me, but that's what fans of other teams saw. DA's biggest issue is that he thinks he can beat triple coverage with his arm; he often does, but the down side is pretty brutal. Browns might go 12-4 or 4-12 depending on how many times Jake gets hit in the first game. And all that talk about Seneca being awesome QB, lolz. I watched him play. He's good for a game and a half. Then it will be Charlie Fry - 2, I meant 3 (Quinn was 2). p.s. Not a Browns fan, but has been following Browns closely for 5 years now. It's like a weird addiction.

Homotron said:Rookie contracts anymore are absolutely absurd and when everything shakes out in the negotiations in the future a rookie cap needs to be put in place. If I were a Cleveland fan I would HATE that contract. 26 Million dollars guaranteed? Christ. But yea you have to like getting your 1 in, in time for camp. I suspect it is the same for every single #1 draft pick for every team, not just Cleveland. The Steeler fans should probably hate the contract Pouncey will get when he signs, if he hasn't already. As noted, this is a major issue in the Collective Bargaining negotiations. The union will almost certainly agree to a rookie wage scale as long as more money than the rookies are getting are shifted over to veterans and retirees. Both sides agree on the concept, the question is how to implement it.

@pumpkin-eater said:Mock drafts are kind of dumb. They are seldomly more than about 10% correct. Actually it's much much worse than that. Usually they get maybe 1-5 right and that's it. It's really obvious that after that they have NO idea what they're talking about.

It's not the we hate him. OK We do hate him He is a 2x rapiest!!!! Sorda like OJ in a way. Got away with it the first time but will soon become Bubba's biatch!!!

@kosarfan said:Terrell Owens ?? Once again this guy proves by running your mouth you can get recognition. .. and he thinks he's comparable to Jerry Rice. He could'nt carry Jerry Rice's shoes. Wonder how much consideration Jerome Bettis got. He was always a work horse. I don't know what football you've watched this last decade, but TO has absoluetely been in the top 3 recievers over that timespan.

@gips said:Awesome story dude...you did give him the browns board address...right? Hehehe im j/k im sure you were to excited and awed to think about it! Wow I didn't even think about it. Also, by the way his wife navigated the iPhone it might be hard to explain how to chat on the browns board. He and his wife are going to come in frequently for awhile (they live 10 minutes from the store i work at) until she learns how to use her phone so I definitely will give them the address and see if they might be interested in a chat. That would be sweet!!

Yay, at least we're not last.

I'm surprised Mary Kay did not ask about her beloved Brady Quinn and what Holmgren sees in the young stud.

@joesixpat said:Yes - I've seen that lots of Cleveland fans seem to think you can ignore free agency and build a team through the draft. And I agree, over about 5-7 years you can do that if you draft very very well, since many players need a few years to develop. Which is why most teams recognize the need to do both. Free agency addition is important in two situations: 1) When you don't have a viable QB 2) When you need to pursue a high-priced free agent to fill that one/two needs on a good team. Right now, the Browns aren't in that situation. So their FA pick-ups right now are middling players. Both these situations are why someone like Minnesota pursues Brett Favre. Free agents don't want to play for the Raiders either. Has that hurt them? I guess most Cleveland fans would say "Hell no". I'd disagree. Sure, it's hurt them, but not as much as drafting poorly as the Browns have done. Look at Washington. They just keep throwing money at their problems instead of drafting smart. They're stuck in a perpetual state of mediocrity. I'm never sure what people mean by the fact that someone has "solved the salary cap" problem. By definition no team can exceed the salary cap. Their alternative is to cut expensive players, trying to keep as many of the good ones as possible. That's not rocket science. Did Cleveland fans expect that Mangini would exceed the salary cap? What are you actually giving him credit for? I could cut players too if forced to - that doesn't make me a good coach. Clearing cap space allows us to pay our #1 draft pick as well as our other picks AND money left over to pick up a few free agents, you dolt. That's what he's getting credit for, stupid. Mangini has cut/traded the expensive players who were me-first (Smith, Edwards, Winslow) or just plain sucked (Jones, Davis, Shaffer). With Cleveland one needs to be wary of celebrating the fact that a mediocre player was drafted or signed and displaced a very bad veteran. All these guys are good, no doubt... good enough to win one game against the Bills by a score of 6-3 at last count. I'm not saying they can't improve - but the evidence we've seen is that they are what their record says they are, as Bill Parcells used to say... and for all the coaching decisions, schemes, playcaling, drafting and free agent moves, Mangini has inspired this team to win a grand total of one game. Yep, one game. So let's fire Spagnuolo and Morris, too. Let's fire all the guys in this league that are trying to make chicken salad out of chickensh*t. And continue to ignore those coaches who have had underachieving teams this year: Rex Ryan, John Harbaugh, Gary Kubiak, etc. These are the guys who've done a piss poor job, in my estimation. You have to understand something here, Joe. This is not a quick-fix situation in Cleveland. Mangini is not making quick-fix moves. He's making long-term fix moves: salary cap, more picks, change of culture, etc. But go ahead and continue to read PFT and look at the W-L record if it makes you happy.

How could anyone want to post that on youtube or even watch it?

@pumpkin-eater said:nah. The Browns would not be a good team with him as the coach. i agree, but he at least knows how to grade talent and bring in guys that can win. cowher didn't have a ton of superstars but guys that were great together. mangini is trying to do this and will probably fail.

@ischy said:Having 11 draft picks in this years draft got me thinking. Through free agency and the draft say we acquire 8 new starting players. What 8 players would you replace off the current depth chart? I know 8 new starters would be a stretch but I was just thinking about how many horrible players we have and as I was doing this I wanted to replace about 12! Wide Receiver: Mohamed Massaquoi Move to number 2 receiver Wide Receiver: Josh Cribbs Replace Left Tackle: Joe Thomas Left Guard: Eric Steinbach Center: Alex Mack Right Guard: Floyd Womack Replace Right Tackle: John St. Clair Replace Tight End: Robert Royal QB: Derek Anderson Running Back: Jamal Lewis Replace Full Back: Lawrence Vickers DEFENSE Defensive End: Kenyon Coleman Replace Nose Tackle: Shaun Rogers Defensive End: Robaire Smith LOLB: Kamerion Wimbley ILB: D'Qwell Jackson ILB: Eric Barton ROLB: David Bowens Replace LCB: Eric Wright Move to number 2 CB RCB: Brandon McDonald Replace Safety: Abram Elam Safety: Brodney Pool Replace Regardless what everyoner feels on MoMass, that is 8-9 starting positions that need to be upgraded. No way do we hit 9-of-11 in the draft ... gonna take a couple key FA acquistions.

Tony Rizzo said it last week. They weren't allowed to give details. I searched the web but couldn't find anything more then the fact that it was confirmed that he was let go.

Madden downgraded *EVERYONE.* To emphasize superstars or some such. Doesn't really matter. People are just going to create Customs will all 99s anyway. Except this time, they're going to be more powerful. Eek. EDIT: That was choppier than Tacitus. I haven't even read Tacitus enough to emulate his style. How is this happening?

I like Mangini. He had the Jets in position to go to the playoffs. It isn't his fault that homosexual Bret Favre decided to puke up 3 interceptions.