Exactly Ram. The chance to get a franchise QB comes around only so often. Lord knows, us Skins fans know. So when you get a shot at one, you better jump on it. You just can't win in this league without one. And RGIII was there for the taking for the Browns, and they dropped the ball. If he plays out like he's projected to--by EVERYONE--Brown's fans are gonna rue this day for years to come. Or at least until they get their own--and like I said, who knows when that'll be.

As far as DC goes, I'm not gonna argue it. If you think the national politicians have anything to do with life here, you're sadly confused.

And Harry Buffalosack, I'm not wasting my time with you period.

@vaportrail said:

Yes. Walterfootball is the be all end all of any discussion. RG3 has a better chance of being a franchise qb twhan Colt, and that chance is a hell of a lot bigger. That being said, he is still unproven. You guys are walking away as the victors here, today, but none of this matters until August.

If you can find a single NFL site or journalist who says we gave up too much in the trade, I'd love to see it. That's the point. Walter Football, a very respected site, is just the clearest, most straight-forward example I found.

Wow. Obviously you've never been to the DC area (of if you have, you never left the Mall) and you know absolutely nothing about the city. You should come check it out sometime. Who knows, you might even decide to stay.

Secondly, clearly you don't have a sense of humor, nor do you understand sarcasm.

And lastly, I explained why I'm posting here at the top of the page.

@neo said:

Elite QB? You don't have shit yet. He isn't an elite QB until he proves that he is at the NFL level. All you guys did is ship a buttload of picks for the CHANCE that he will be a franchise QB.

See my sig

@taco918 said:

Jesus Christ this isn't a Redskins board. We get it you made the trade. Good for you. Now please fuck off. DC bringing civilization to anybody is comedy of the highest order. I'd expect that smug sense of self importance from a Texan, a New Yorker, or even a Californian but from DC? Please.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Metropolitan_Area

The Washington Metropolitan Area is the most educated and by some measures, the most affluent metropolitan area in the United States.[3]

And before you go off on some anti-wikipedia rant, they're called footnotes.

But yeah, I'm just trying to help.

With Lebron leaving, I'm impressed that anarchy and cannibalism have been avoided. That shows that there is potential, but I think it's going to take a lot of hardwork to make sure it still doesn't get to that point; especially when it becomes apparent to all that you missed out on a franchise QB. Then it's going to be next to impossible to then get things going in a positive direction, but we can dream. One step at a time baby. One step at a time.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Its heartwarming to see these Skins fans saying the things we've been saying after every draft.

Things like "We're no longer the same old Skins!" or "Playoffs, here we come!".

It makes RG3 busting all the more sweeter. I'm glad you guys prevented us from making a huge mistake.

Good luck dropping $40 mil on Matt Flynn. He really showed a lot in his two career starts.

Nice post RGIII in DC. You a poster on ES too?

@kerrigan91 said:

Not too much. Got a couple friends who are Browns fans so I'm just trying to keep my thumb on the pulse. It's weird posting on both boards at the same time, need to keep my thoughts straight.

Yeah around free agency and draft time every year, I start checking out other team's boards. I don't normally post but people are mocking the trade all over the internets, and it's been killing me. I was dying to say something to someone, somewhere. It just happened to be here that a post motivated me to actually register and finally defend the Skins.

Plus, as residents of the DC area, I kinda feel like it's our duty to bring civilization to the masses. There's no reason Cleveland should be stuck in the '80's. It's just not fair.

@kerrigan91 said:

Hey man. Hitman21ST

Lol, I know you!! Too funny. What's up buddy? Great minds really do thinks alike.

Same here. So what's your handle over there? I'm GACOLB

@badnewsbrowns said:

I'd be shocked if the Rams traded up.

I can see them looking into trading up. I can't, however, see them giving up the 33rd overall pick to move up two spots to take a 6'1" WR--especially when it's very possible that he'll fall to them anyway. Not when they have as many holes as they do. Maybe they offer a 3rd rounder.

@kerrigan91 said:

Everything that you are saying WAS true with Vinny Cerrato as the GM. Now that there is a competent football GM in the front office, we have yet to sign an "overpaid cancer."

You keep spouting off stuff because you hope that it's still true, otherwise you'd have to admit the Skins are on the right track. You sound like Cowboys and Eagles fans trying to convince themselves the Skins aren't a threat.

Exactly.

You post on ES man?

@harry-buffalo said:

I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.

But it has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was just using the Browns QB situation as an example. I don't give a shit about their front office and what type of players they like. That wasn't the point.

You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.

Why wouldn't I base my expectations going forward on what happened last year? Shanahan and Bruce Allen were here last year, not there five years ago. And your other point speaks to that. They cut the team cancers that had come in under a different regime. Every single player they drafted last year were seniors and half of them were team captains at their respective schools. They obviously value character. And fine, exchange Colston for Jackson. Again, just an example I trust them to make the right move.

So anyway, for everyone trying to hate on our trade--from Walter Football:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

2. Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor

The Redskins will be a playoff-caliber team over the next 10 years because of this trade. They did not give up too much. No way. Three first-round picks and a second-rounder is the correct price for a franchise quarterback - especially one whom you don't have to give $50 million guaranteed to right away.

This was also a great trade for the Rams. They'll be in great position to improve their roster over the next few years with all of their first-round selections. In fact, the only losers in this deal are the teams in the NFC East, who will now have to deal with a quarterback who looks like he could be the next Steve Young, and the Browns. I'll get to them later.

*** OTHER 2012 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***

1. None - The Redskins didn't trade up to No. 2 to take anyone but Young Griff.

4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar.

This pick will be Ryan Tannehill if the Browns whiff on Matt Flynn or Kevin Kolb (per a Peyton Manning signing in Arizona). I'm going to assume that Holmgren will sign one of those guys. If he does, I believe he'll target Morris Claiborne. Holmgren loves drafting cornerbacks, and one could argue that the LSU defensive back is the top player available. Cleveland will have dual shutdown corners if Claiborne pans out, which really has to appeal to the former Packer and Seahawk coach.

*** OTHER 2012 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***

1. Ryan Tannehill, QB - Tannehill will be the pick if the Browns can't do anything in free agency. No. 4 is way too early for him, but Holmgren won't have a choice.

2. Trent Richardson, RB - Special Agent Peyton Hillis is a free agent. Running backs shouldn't go this early in the NFL Draft, but Trent Richardson is the best prospect at the position since Adrian Peterson.

NOT Justin Blackmon, WR - Holmgren doesn't believe in drafting receivers this early. Besides, both Claiborne and Richardson are better prospects.

Also, between 1969 and 1990 the Redskins made a total of THREE 1st round picks (Art Monk, Mark May and Darrell Green). In that time we had four trips to the SB and three trophies (and of course another one in 1991). I think we'll survive losing two 1st round picks for our franchise QB.

@hoorta said:

Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.

I think we had something like 10 draft picks last season, and every single one of them played at some point. A few with major contributions (Kerrigan, Helu, Royster, etc). Obviously he's going to miss on some, but I trust him to pick up depth and the occasional major contributor later in the draft. Plus, as I said, we have $40-50 mil in cap space. That's why losing two 1sts doesn't kill me.

@brownindian said:

Which brings me to another question- What if Indy drafts Luck? U think Redskins will like the trade?

Huh? What if Indy DOESN'T take Luck you mean? Look, we haven't had a franchise QB since arguably Theisman (I'm not counting Rypien and his few good seasons). Whether we get Luck or RGIII, I'm gonna be happy as hell.

@harry-buffalo said:

Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.

Now you're just trolling.

@miktoxic said:

man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.

you guys must suck at stratego.

fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.

Because Indy isn't trading the pick?

Is this deal that much different than the Eli/Rivers trade? Do you think the Giants regret that trade?

What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?

Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:

The following is a statement by Redskins general manager Bruce Allen and St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead issued on Saturday:

“In order to execute each of our club’s plans for free agency and the upcoming draft, we have agreed to a trade between our two teams for the second pick in the 2012 draft. We will submit this trade to the NFL for approval."

@harry-buffalo said:

And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.

The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.

If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.

For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.

Skins fan here. Before I reply to the post that made me register with the site, I have to say something: Zombo might be the greatest poster I've seen on any sports forum ever. His post about weapons is classic. Thank you.

Anway, this...

@harry-buffalo said:

It's not set is stolen until Trading opens... but I wouldn't want to give up that much anyway. Who the hell is RGIII supposed to throw too? Who is going to block for his on his right? Right now it just seems he has a decent running game to lean on and that's it. And thats not all!!!

What happens if god forbid RGIII injures himself between now and the draft. What happens if he has a horrible pro day, some character concerns come out, ect. These are the reasons why you DON't make trades for the draft before the draft starts. RGIII still needs to go through pro days and private workouts. Anything can happen between now and then and the Redskins might have just gave up 2 future 1st round picks for a guy who's stock might have dropped far enough to get at 6.

You know why you make the trade this early? So when free agency hits next week, you can go to Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston and you can say "We're going to have RGIII throwing you the ball." Don't you think they'll be more likely to sign here than if all we have in the fold is John freaking Beck? We have almost $50 mil in cap space. We can get him weapons. And those weapons will want to play with him. Those offensive lineman will want to block for him.

Also, we didn't trade three 1sts for him. We swapped 1sts and traded two more (and a 2nd) for him. This is increasingly a passing league. You NEED a franchise QB to win. The days of winning 3 SB's with 3 different starting QB's (like we did in the 80's and '91) are over. I'm in my 20's. I've gone my entire life without a franchise QB. We've had 1st round pick after 1st round pick, but never a franchise QB. So I'm beyond hyped by this move, as are most Skins fans.

And seriously, get off the Dan Snyder stuff. It's old and tired.