@texasag1969 said: How about 4.5 which seems about where we are headed, if that? I just do not see Hue making it to 2019 as head coach.  This is purely my speculation, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if it had been up to Dorsey, he would have gotten rid of Hue at the end of last season and brought in "his" guy. I'm guessing that he was brought back to show the NFL that the Haslams aren't people who have itchy trigger fingers, after firing Chudzinski after one season, Pettine after two.  Unless the Browns put up a 8-10 win season, I think he's gone. 

@falcon7 said: That #1 pick was awesome: 1 tackle & 2 ast. ! Dude did his job on the edge. I know, i watched. Only saw him make one mistake in the run game and he had baktiari in hundleys jock most of the game. He didnt edge rush well cause of that ankle, oh well

Coverage schemes were ridiculous, and on top of that no scheme covers for the fact that McCourty played worse than a UDFA allowing Hundley to have a perfect rating when throwing to whoever he was covering. Browns had the lowest pressure rating of any team in the NFL yesterday.. scheme also can't cover for that. Williams did his best by blitzing to create - but again he simply doesn't have the players.  The weakness is talent at all levels of the D, not some magic elixir..

Hoyer is like rocky. Dude just refuses to stay down

@miktoxic said:or you could be the biggest dick ref ever and put out a guy's eye with an even faggier yellow flag. Remember Orlando Brown!! Mike

Horton definitely should have been the guy being canned!

@hoorta said: What I'm saying- even with a franchise qb- there are no guarantees you're even going to be a .500 team. BTW, the '85 Bears had Jim McMahon at qb, hardly a stud. The Redskins won with Doug Williams, and the Ravens with Trent Dilfer. .The Chiefs are winning this year with retread Alex Smith. Do I think having at least an above average qb isn't important? Hell no. The way the rules are today, you can't repeat the '85 Bears, or '00 Ravens and win with just defense. yes we have to find our franchise QB but as you've stated you can't just win anything in this league with one side of the ball your team plays great and the other sucks. it's all about balance, just like life.

@rooster-dick said:Considering the only way we score points this year is by the kicker, we might wanna find someone I can't for the life of me, figure out why you refer to The Cleveland Browns as "we", when everybody on here knows your a homo shitsburg fan!!

Skeptical2013 said:Mangini was very questionable in motiviating players and evaluating talent and, like many Belichick disciples, one of his weaknesses was bringing in mediocre talent from his old teams, players who are quickly jettisoned once a new regime arrives and mangini leaves. The reason: Most of Mangini's "guys" aren't very good. Mangini should never have been thrust into the role of having to be GM and HC. That was absurd, but required apparently by the chaos in the FO above Mangini. The same situation with Butch Davis....who probably actually was the best coach we have had. He just also should never have been required to play the GM/Club President role.

@hoorta said: Looked it up for you Gip- Bryant- and East Central Oklahoma are DII, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_II_%28NCAA%29 Scholarship players, just not as many as DI. I am just wondering if there is a West Central Oklahoma and a North Central Oklahoma and a South Central Oklahoma.....not to be confused with Eastern/Northern/Southern/Western/Northwestern/Northeastern/Southwestern and Southeastern Oklahoma. Thank God that, with one exception Ohio never decided to give its colleges "directional" names. (Ohio Northern being the current exception. Once upon a time there was an Ohio Central College...but that merged into Muskingam and no longer exists.....except in the hands of a Presidential trivialist...because Warren G. Harding attended there.)

I have always liked Austin Carr! He is Mr Cavalier!

My son was home from college for a few days and I had to take him back on Sunday, so that's why I wasn't at the tailgate. Sorry I missed you all. I will be out of town the next couple of Sundays as well, but I hope to see you some time after Halloween.

@hoorta said: You and me both Roach. Down 14-0. If Spiller hadn't gotten hurt it well could have been a 35-7 blowout to a mediocre team. Joe had my tickets today- at least I didn't get wet in the process of watching yet another near unwatchable game in person. Why should we make excuses any longer for "rebuilding"? These are dark days indeed for being a Browns fan. I gave my tickets to my buddy, who's wife is from Buffalo. Atleast someone had a good time

@king-ghoolie-lives said: << Tom, I'm trying to raise a legitimate concern as a guy that lays out cash for a season ticket. You seem to be criticizing what I'm saying. I'm fine with the concept of discussing it with you. Unfortunately, I need an interpreter to help me understand your points. Are you still mad at me kicking your ass at billiards, or for you inviting me to attend your girlfriend's snapper getting waxed? Let's get back to football (unless another waxing is scheduled).

the Eagles playing like its the superbowl? That is a lame ass excuse. They outplayed the Browns and the excuse is they played too hard? Sorry buts that just ridiculous. I hope the o line was embarrassed enough to get their shit together and actually block this game. USFBrown ************************************************************* The olinemen were interviewed about the upcoming opener. Every one of them said it was tough, that they need to get it together for the season, but that they will be ready. They SAID they had no game plan. Which, is why offenses are behind the defenses so much in the preseason. The Browns olinemen said they were just trying out plays, etc etc etc, and all too often, the Eagles were in a perfect defense to go against the play they called. MEANING,... no fancy protection calls, no change of play at the los, vanilla play calling. Get a clue - the Browns weren't going to go all out to show the Eagles anything that woul help them in the REAL GAME they play against the Browns to start the season. NOT "played too hard"... the Eagles took advantage of the Browns not game planning, and just running plays regardless of the Eagles' attack. If you can't see the difference, maybe somebody should show you the playback of the preseason game, and what happens in the regular season game. The Browns olinemen said, yeah, they had trouble. But you just wait for the real game, when they have an actual game plan, and go after them. If you think the result will be the same when it counts, well, I say the deal will be a lot different. Preseason games do not count.

Got him off the street ... because we are brilliant. Zombo

Hey, why not? I'm a noob, but Happy B-day.

@roach said: You want me to elaborate on why you are seemingly satisfied with our defense while I am not? Nice try. Ed, I'm not totally satisfied with the defense- No-kong gave up an easy TD. But at least there's hope there. Rubin, Taylor (despite the jump- do you really think the Browns were going to pull out a miracle win?), Sheard, and Haden are at least a start. Ward wasn't even playing. They held Rice under 100 yards, and Flacko to 132 yards passing. Good enough to win a game? Damn right- if we didn't have a certified moron calling the plays on the offensive side.

@horse-balls said: I've been telling you guys for two years that Wallace is the best QB on the roster .. why are wasting time on Howdie Doody? Horse Balls is back. He's been preaching to us for two years about our QB. i guess that accounts for his 47 posts.