@gftchris said:

From the outside, it really looks as simple as finding schemes that put players with talent in position to succeed. Every player in the NFL is talented in some way - yes, even Justin Gilbert - but if you ask them to do things they're not good at they'll fail. If you ask them to play to their strengths and find ways to disguise that, they'll do well.

Like how Sheard went from 2 sacks a year ago here, to 8 in NE. Like how Dion Lewis went from 'that guy who looks decent in preseason' to 'best pass catching back in the league' in NE. And how 'generic skill play 173' became a superstar there.

Right. I subscribe 100% what you say.

@connerlangford said:

I'd love this hire

Me too. Big time.

VesnaKociper said:

It's the QB........ it's ALWAYS the QB. There IS no building without a QB.

How about having playmakers surrounding the QB?

Joe Thomas could be playing for a Super Bowl contender. Just give me one reason for him to keep playing for the laughing stock of the league? Come on! Every single good player (not many, unfortunately) should be asking to leave this team.

Anyway, I'm in favor of firing Gruden after he wins a Super Bowl in Cleveland.

@mohican said:

Chucky got the Tampa job after coaching Da Raidah's to competency -

He actually played and won a SB against the team he brough up to that level.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I was saying it in the Tavern last night. Gruden honestly seemed like he was lobbying for a job next year.

I don't see why he'd ever leave his cushy broadcasting job, but there were multiple hints that he could. The fact that there's tons of articles out there about it only reinforce that we're not alone in seeing it.

And, besides, I think he's an excellent live commentator.

Gruden and Dungy proved they did it before (Gruden even won a SB against a team he raised up to SB level). I don't want to know about people who never proved anything. Or whose heydays were in college.

Could we just bring in somebody who has proven before he could run an NFL team succesfully?

And, could we just bring in some playmakers on both sides of the ball plus special team?

Easy for me to talk from a few thousand miles away, but the stadium should be completely empty for the Ravens game with all supporters tailgating outside during the game.

It' s the only possible way left to the fans to show how fed up we are with this situation.

Zombo said:

I think I'm just going to keep the headline the way it is to freak out some people.

Zombo

Me, for instance...

Forgive me if I say this, but I find this discussion about McCown pointless.

Yesterday Pittsburgh put in the third string QB and won against Arizona. But the Steelers have a lot of playmakers on the field. Players that pull out the right thing at the right time in almost every game.

If we don't have playmakers in our team we won't go anywhere.

@brownsfan4evr said:

We need......

A QB

A rb

An o-line

A defense

An intelligent coach......

Playmakers. That's what we need.

We have too few in the team. Some players are great one game, average to bad the others.

Until we won't invest heavily in free agency we will always have teams built on shaky drafts.

Ownership must put a ton of money in competitive FA for the next three years.

If we go on like that in 2050 we will still be a losing franchise.

The Steelers played their third string QB today. He entered in the team like a hand in a glove and guess what? They won vs a very strong Arizona team. Why? Because they had playmakers on both sides of the fucking ball.

It's all about playmakers in this game.

You have them? You win.

You don't? You are the Cleveland Browns of today.

I'm sorry but I can take losses, I can swallow heartbreaking losses like the one of today, I cannot swallow mediocrity as a way of living.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

Zombo said:

I wasn't a guge Ray Horton fan, but he did come from that Lebeau tree where it wasn't who was on the field but where there were going to come from that mattered.

Z

True.

@clevfan4life said:

you know what would solve this? A front 7 that just lined up like normal and beat their man. I mean seriously, the reason we're doing all this stupid convoluted shit is to try to get our less than mediocre pass rushers into the backfield. Sign/draft guys that put their hands in the ground and get past their man with even just avg to slightly better than avg consistency and we have a secondary that can at least cover guys long enough for the pressure to make an impact. There's no excuse not to have edges on this team that force the QB to step up into our interior push.

I'm no expert, but I would appreciate going back to a 4-3 defense.

As I said in another discussion here on the Board, we need to put our efforts heavily on the free agency.

Getting experience good players, that's what we need to do.

Taking players in the draft has been hurting us for 15 years. We can't choose the right players and if we do we cannot develop them.

Not until we will not abandon the plan of re-building this team through the draft year after year and start going into free agency in a serious way.

The defense bad play is the real surprise today. That really is bad bad news.

@walterwhite said:

So glad that stubborn asshole Pettine put Johnny back on the bench so we could watch this abortion by grandpa McCown. Fucking moron will be out of a job next year.

Defense my fucking cunt. What a passive agressive pussy

You're not serious, are you?