@the-cysko-kid said:

The current browns franchise is more like an untrained younger brother who steps into a fallen siblings shoes to avenge them.

You admit the older brother, playing in a role that represents the old franchise, has fallen and must be avenged.

Sounds to me like he's dead....which is what I've been saying all along.

Also, to avenge something is to act in behalf of others.

So if older brother in the story represents the Browns franchise, he can be avenged, but by definition only by something different. Something other.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Don't spank us, daddy. We just wanted to look cool, like you.

It's funny how far we've come.

From the expansion Cincinnati team impersonating the Browns to the expansion Cleveland team impersonating the Browns.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Nice try, bud. But you know the truth.

It was a nice try, wasn't it?

Truth be told the history of your team makes it very easy to portray the current Browns as clones, knockoffs, or a cheap version of an earlier thing.

Because on the surface, and at your core, it's what you actually are.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Uma, get you're colostomy bag drained, and demential medication fool. You are really fucked up, lol.

Apparently your bubble also serves as my colostomy bag.

@the-cysko-kid said:

The Browns are nothing but a pale copycat of a franchise and nobody in the NFL respects them at all, no matter what their current mediocre record is, because its well known the current Cleveland Browns are simply the poor man's knockoff of the real Cleveland browns.

Fixed it for ya.

@the-gipper said:

Then every single time a team changes ownership...or coaches it becomes a brand new franchise. Exhibit A on the ignorance.

Seems to me your entire rant is built on ignorance as there's never been another example of an existing NFL franchise being awarded the perks of an expansion draft. And of course the only reason your team was allowed an expansion draft is because the franchise itself was an expansion franchise. It didn't exist previously.

Had the Browns been an existing franshise you would have been treated as an existing franchise by the NFL. But that didn't happen. Instead, the NFL consistently treated your team exactly like what it was, a new franchise. Only in matters that relate to marketing, not playing, did the NFL treat your team as if it were an existing franchise.

Your link to the past is little more than an advertising jingle or an ad campaign built around brand nostalgia.

@the-gipper said:

I have had this issue with a hundred stupid fucks like you....all of whom are wrong.

So after practicing against a hundred stupid fucks the best you can manage to do is duck the subject whenever it comes up?

BTW, did you ever stop to wonder why the subject comes up so often?

Might it have something to do with the very idea that, outside of meeting rooms filled with marketing hacks, something brand new can't be decades old at the same time?

@the-gipper said:

Here is my reply: You want to argue about it: Call the NFL first and get their approval that your position is correct. Argue with them as all I am doing is stating their position, not mine. Then we can talk.

Let's say I called them and they said the very reason you can continue to claim the shit you do is because none of it matters very much to anyone outside of your bubble. And they went on to say that everyone involved agreed that the Browns name and colors were tarnished beyond repair and without value of any kind outside of Cleveland. How everyone agreed the fanbase of Cleveland would be only too happy to accept a cloned team and would never question a marketing campaign that ignored logic in favor of some feel-good story about how uniforms and office chairs make up a franchise, not people. In short, they said you can continue claiming what you do because it sells uniforms and in NFL circles that's more important than the obvious truth.

@the-gipper said:

I have my own interests, but that is not the general consensus around here. They want to talk about the Browns and their future. Don't like that? You can turn the channel.

Oh, but I do like that.

In fact I just did that very thing earlier in this thread.

Again, you're still two years away from being two years away.

@wellhungsmurf said:

But seriously, you can't chat with people on the Bengals boards? Gotta creep here?

No more than I post here you'd think you guys could handle it better.

For example, if not for my presence here how many of you would bother posting in this thread?

None, right?

@the-gipper said:

Its not a refusal to comment....its a desire not to have to repeat myself ad infinitum to people whose intellects have clearly landed on Uranus, or who are only taking disingenuous views merely out of fear and loathing of themselves.

Your history is that of a person who loves to repeat yourself ad infinitum if doing so allows you to claim some portion of an ancient feat accomplished by someone else. Simply addressing the FACT that all player, coaching, and ownership links were either severed completely or transferred to Baltimore doesn't allow you to do that. So instead you weave a tale built around how the Browns never moved the furniture out of their old offices and how they still play in uniforms that look like what the other team wore before they moved.

In a bubble that's enough.

@the-gipper said:

You only see what you want to see. The rest you are incapable of discussing.

Weeden sucks and needs to be replaced.

Pretty sure I'm all caught up now.

@the-gipper said:

What discussions would you want?

How about the one you keep ducking?

@the-gipper said:

More debate about the last game? Its over rover, we've moved on. The playoffs? That is done for the Browns.

That's what sucks so much about guys who root for 4-win football teams. They're always in a hurry to discuss next season when this seasons playoffs haven't even begun.

@the-gipper said:

I suspect you are welcome to start your own thread and discuss whatever you want.

Bubble Master Hoorta would just suspend me for awhile or lock the thread the moment you started ducking the topic.

@the-gipper said:

No spin required.

Right.

Instead, just say you didn't read something, refuse to comment, and then wait for a protective mod to close the thread.

@the-gipper said:

I don't know about any bubble. It is not my bubble.

Of course it's your bubble. Hoorta has built it specifically for guys like you.

A safe place where marketing lies can be repeated endlessly until the reader is convinced that something brand new is actually old.

@the-gipper said:

When I see a challenge I will respond.

No, what you'll do is claim you didn't read it and then make excuses about how it wasn't worthy of a response. Because that's what bubble boys do.

@the-gipper said:

.....perhaps you just bore Hoorta.

More likely Larry knows how predictable your response will be and he's bored to tears listening to you repeat some rant about an ancient expansion team dreamed up by a marketing hack.

@dste-ace said:

Well...no. After reading your posts I've simply come to the inescapable conclusion that you are truly an asshole.

Sure, but if you truly don't care, as you claim, then the only reason for you to repeatedly post the same thing over and over is because you really enjoyed the free strokes you got from Mark O.

@dste-ace said:

Every post of yours that I've read is the same--no insight, no contribution to the subject at hand--just you being an asshole

BTW, exactly what is the subject at hand on a board filled with little more than draft related or cheerleader threads?

@the-gipper said:

Not necessarily. He may merely not be creatively eloquent.

Well, it's obvious Ace can't spin shit into gold quite the way you attempt to do, but at least he's honest.

That's more than you can claim.

@the-gipper said:

I don't control them.

No, but you post from the safety of the bubble they provide.

Truth be told, if the mods here were confident in your ability to respond to challenges they'd let you do so.

Instead, Hoorta repeatedly treats you as if you were a pinkie who wouldn't survive in the wild.

@the-gipper said:

He calls you an asshole because he doesn't have sufficient vocabulary to otherwise describe your felicitous fecundity of feculence.

Sounds to me like you think Ace is sorta stupid.

@the-gipper said:

This is where you read from some marketing guide about how Paul Brown once designed the above logo using the olive drab color to honor AAF crewmen, red to honor the Tuskeegee airman, black to honor P-61 crews, and a pair of wings to honor the 101st Airborne.

@the-gipper said:

I don't need protection against your minor league act.

Those that know you best think otherwise.

I remind you that on a messageboard filled to overflowing with tough guys your mods have already used their protective bubble twice...which seems like a lot on a board where you can actually say fuck and stuff.

Truth is your own mods are treating you as if you were someone who can't defend himself.

@dste-ace said:

Every post of yours that I've read is the same--no insight, no contribution to the subject at hand--just you being an asshole.

Isn't that exactly what you're guilty of?

Truth is, right now you've got my asshole on your lips and fingertips, and you're not contributing a thing to the subject at hand.

Instead, you call me an asshole precisely because you know a few homers like Mark O will give you a free stroke or two if you do.