I have had my fill, and I am going to vent: That's MY QB!

[gumby73]

@7moses7 said:

Can I get a picture of Clipboard Jesus???

?   ?  Yeah !  I had to ...

                                                    ""   "'

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV
2005	22	GNB		12	3	0		9	16	56.3	65	0	0.0	1	6.3	3	16	4.1	1.3	7.2	21.7	39.8		3	28	15.8	1.95	-0.42			0
2006	23	GNB		12	2	0		6	15	40.0	46	0	0.0	0	0.0	2	16	3.1	3.1	7.7	23.0	48.2	7.9	3	18	16.7	1.56	1.56			0
2007	24	GNB		12	2	0		20	28	71.4	218	1	3.6	0	0.0	9	43	7.8	8.5	10.9	109.0	106.0	78.8	3	24	9.7	6.26	6.90			1
2008	25	GNB	QB	12	16	16	6-10-0	341	536	63.6	4038	28	5.2	13	2.4	184	71	7.5	7.5	11.8	252.4	93.8	62.9	34	231	6.0	6.68	6.64	1	2	15

Mayfield's 4th season.. 10 games in

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV
2018	23	CLE	QB	6	14	13	6-7-0	310	486	63.8	3725	27	5.6	14	2.9	171	71	7.7	7.5	12.0	266.1	93.7	51.2	25	173	4.9	6.95	6.77	3	4	10
2019	24	CLE	QB	6	16	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	4.1	21	3.9	179	89	7.2	6.2	12.1	239.2	78.8	54.4	40	285	7.0	6.17	5.29	1	1	11
2020	25	CLE	QB	6	16	16	11-5-0	305	486	62.8	3563	26	5.3	8	1.6	188	75	7.3	7.7	11.7	222.7	95.9	72.2	26	162	5.1	6.64	6.96	2	2	14
2021	26	CLE	qb	6	10	10	5-5-0	176	275	64.0	2166	10	3.6	6	2.2	100	71	7.9	7.6	12.3	216.6	91.3	37.2	27	166	8.9	6.62	6.39

[SdBacker80]

We are too fixated on the past.

Like a terrible ex, like a bad boss, like a painful dentist trip.  Leave it in the past.

Our QBs have been bad HCs have been equally bad. 

But We are allowed to have GREAT things.  This was once a storied franchise…long ago but not too long ago they were making annual trips to the AFC championship game. 
 

Long question here but Can we acknowledge that Baker with help of others have pulled this franchise out of the dumpster but also acknowledge the limitations in his game and the sincere reservations that many should have about doubling down on an investment with Baker?

[gumby73]

where else would you post half of this? 

(hold your ears)

[ATOM]

gotta put that in my pre game music selection 

[Orion]

@gunnergatski said:

you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown.

    I love peanuts.

[hoorta]

@gunnergatski said:

Empty, thoughtless, jibber jabber from Dutch and Orion. I imagine you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown.

In my opinion, your whining disqualifies you from enjoying our football team after so much suffering.

Good day sirs *tips hat*

Glad you're happy with inconsistent mediocrity this season... Damn near anything is better than 0-16 right?  Beat up Baker has posted a QBR averaged out to 54 in the last two games, with two touchdowns and three interceptions. That's third string backup territory Gunner.  I mean- he had receivers wide open against the Lions, and couldn't even get the ball in the same area code a bunch of times. Starting with his first interception that he air mailed ten feet over Landry's head.     

I mean we're not allowed to point out Mayfield played like shit the last two weeks? He himself admitted as much. And FWIW, if he's not willing to admit those injuries are affecting his performance, and take a seat for a couple weeks, it's enough to get some of us pissed off.  We have one of the better backup QBs in the NFL in Keenum- I suggest it's time to start thinking about using him- especially if Baker comes out Sunday night and continues to suck.  

[gumby73]

Fitting ?  Plan B ?

Michigan Man joining rant sessions again... 

 

 

BrownsTherapy

 

@BrownsTherapy

Why is it that it’s always @richeisen that has to be the one with Common Sense & has to wake up some of the #Browns Fan Base. #ThankYouRich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watch on Twitter

6:57 PM · Nov 22, 2021

 

who's calling Rich? click 'Watch on Twitter'

 

#VictoryMonday

[Canton Dawg]

@hoorta said:

We have one of the better backup QBs in the NFL in Keenum- I suggest it's time to start thinking about using him-

I don’t think Keenum’s last performance VS the Pats was awe inspiring.

What made you think he’s one of the better backups? Was it the 8 completions (6 yards per attempt) or the 3 sacks?
 

[lodilobo]

From what I've seen of Keenum, I'm definitely in no rush to see him take over as qb, but...Mayfield is hurting himself right now, by trying to be a hero. Obviously, his injuries are affecting his play. He's not only prolonging his recovery, but he's also hurting the team, and possibly damaging his mental state and confidence. I would have no problem with Keenum taking over, and what ever happens, happens. I don't believe Mayfield is playing like crap just because he's a bad qb. I, personally, think he's a very good qb when healthy. Before the shoulder thing, he was one of the most accurate deep ball throwers. Now....well...I don't have to tell you, if you've been watching. It's pretty pathetic. I would much rather he just sit there and get better than embarrass himself every game.  

[Unsympathetic]

Emotion and wish projection no matter how fervent doesn't make Baker good in 2021 or moving forward.

I'm sure Baker's fanbois will continue to change the subject and make intentionally bad arguments [He's better than Kizer!] but that doesn't transmogrify Baker into some sort of top QB.

Unless, of course, your standards for Good Cleveland QB are the rules of Calvinball -- you make them up as you go.

[SdBacker80]

Zombo said:

What limitations?

Other than being hurt. This season got ugly right away with Wills going down in Week 1, then Hubbard, then Conklin.

As a consequence, Baker has been knocked around like never before, suffered three painful injuries that would have benched a lesser man ... and THAT has limited him.

But when he's healthy ... like last year ... what are his limitations? Please list them.

Z

Quickly….

Year 4 his ability to decipher coverage and make quick decisions is not up to a standard of QB that will probably command upwards of 30-35M.   He holds onto the ball too long. He’s had problems with leaving clean pockets.

He’s a playaction QB but when placed outside of that fish bowl he struggles.  See our 5 wide empty backfield struggles. 

Hes struggled with throws outside of the hashes. 

Good one week bad the next…hallmark of being average.  The intangibles make him above average.  

Off the charts competitor…strong arm….2020 deep ball was stellar.

[nickers]

Zombo said:

Did you miss last year, Bud?

Z

no they just want a reason to hate him.. They want the next Derek McFrye... Because.. They were so fucking great!... WHAT!!

[hoorta]

Zombo said:

Baker tells it like it is. No bullshit. My favorite Cleveland Brown in a long time.

I follow his wife on Insta. She posts great stuff, she shares fan posts, tons of them. Everyone jumps on this particular one that was in the mix and runs with it, as, sadly our culture has become.

I assure you she meant it as no swipe at the rest of the team. She has said so.

She's the one that sees him get out of bed in the morning with a purple shoulder, a purple knee and a purple foot. She sees him struggling to get up and go to treatment, she sees how much pain he is in when he gets home. Family Members are protective. Are we really upset that his wife reposted something protective of her husband?

It's not like his Daddy was posting videos of all the times he got hit and aimed it at his Oline and posted #FreeBaker and Baker stayed mum on it. What kind of asshole would do that to his teammates? Maybe some douchebag on the Rams ... That shit don't fly in Cleveland. 

Keep being awesome, Baker, we got your back.

Most of us, anyway.

Z

Awesome Z? Not in the last two games. He pretty much sucked, and admitted as much. As I told Gunner- 54 qbr with two TDs and three interceptions. I'll posit Keenum (or some practice squad qB) could hardly have done done any worse. He's hurt- and those hurts ARE affecting his performance.  

And to reply to your rebuttal of SC (Baker has a quick release) sure- but the problem is, at Tia has pointed out if you were listening. A quick release won't do you much good if your ability to decipher post snap reads is slow.  You wonder why he dances around in the pocket if his primary read isn't open? There's your answer.  

Yes Z Baker is a huge improvement over the likes of Brandon Weeden and Deshone Kizer...  When he's healthy... Which he ISN'T right now. LOL- sadly, his performance against the Lions sort of reminded me of dear old Deshone's play. A healthy Baker is at least as good as the Bengals Andy Dalton who took Cincy to multiple years of playoffs. 

The only valid excuse against the crappy Lions is he's hurt worse than he's letting on. He had everyone back except Conklin and DPJ- and he stunk. (Johnson's current level of play is more than an adequate replacement for Hunt) And if he's that hurt- he shouldn't be out there playing- MHO.  

Zombo said:

We've won two out of three while he recovers, we're not going to make the switch now, or ever.

I'm glad we are on the road this week, in Primetime, Baker is going to shine, because no one has been harder on his performance than himself, and no one knows how to make it better than himself.

Then he gets two weeks off to rest his bruises, breaks and pains, and we continue our assault on the AFC North.

This storyline is setting us up for glory, I'm glad I will be able to say I backed him 100% when he was suffering, because the rewards are tenfold when you believe in something or someone.

Go get em, Brownies, we got them right where we want them!

Z

Can I have some of your Baker kool-aid? Mind over matter? It's bordering on arrogance.  Hey- my nephew is hiking the Grand Canyon next spring.. Sure, I'll go with him- it will be way cool. But I'm realistic enough to say my 70 year old body isn't up for it anymore.  I just hope Baker will do the same- that his body isn't doing what his mind is telling it to do.  

[hoorta]

@nickers said:

no they just want a reason to hate him.. They want the next Derek McFrye... Because.. They were so fucking great!... WHAT!!

Hate? Not at all.. Just concerned that his ego won't let him admit those injuries are affecting his play.  

[Orion]

@gumby73 said:

Fitting ?  Plan B ?

Michigan Man joining rant sessions again... 

 

 

BrownsTherapy

 

@BrownsTherapy

Why is it that it’s always @richeisen that has to be the one with Common Sense & has to wake up some of the #Browns Fan Base. #ThankYouRich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watch on Twitter

6:57 PM · Nov 22, 2021

 

who's calling Rich? click 'Watch on Twitter'

 

#VictoryMonday

Spot on.    I like Rich.   We all know that Baker is better than the bums we've had before.  And we know there's nobody we can plug in that's better (aside from Keenum because Baker's hurt).  But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take a flier on drafting a QB in a later round each year.  We've gotta keep him until somebody comes along that's better.  And continue to put pieces around him.  (Like a #1 receiver because our #1 fucked us over...and now we ain't got one)

[hish747]

@nickers said:

Ive had enough coaches learning on the job...

I don't have a problem with coaches learning on the job. Every head coach is a rookie when they start. Learning on the job is par for course. What I don't like is if a head coach let's a QB walk all over him and make decisions that the head coach should be making. I see no other explanation for letting Baker play against Detroit.

We all know Baker shouldn't have started the game.

We all know Baker should've had an extra week to rest up.

We all know that Case would have done at least as well or better than a hobbled Baker.

Baker literally could not have done any worse and still won the game. There was no logical reason for the coach to have started Baker other than Baker wanted to start.

[Orion]

Zombo said:

We won a tough, ugly game, and our quarterback gutted it out, because it's his job.

Yes.  If he's the starter, and the medical staff tells the coach that he can play, then the coach has to play him.  Otherwise, he would be benching the starter.

[hish747]

@orion said:

Yes.  If he's the starter, and the medical staff tells the coach that he can play, then the coach has to play him.

No, he doesn't. Why would the coach have to play a starter who is clearly hobbled? Just because the starter, who has more bravado than brains wants to? That's dereliction of his head coaching duties. The medical staff may have cleared him medically to play, but it was obvious he was not able to play at a level any better than our backup would have. Baker contributed nothing other than worsening our chances against the Ravens.

[hoorta]

@hish747 said:

No, he doesn't. Why would the coach have to play a starter who is clearly hobbled? Just because the starter, who has more bravado than brains wants to? That's dereliction of his head coaching duties. The medical staff may have cleared him medically to play, but it was obvious he was not able to play at a level any better than our backup would have. Baker contributed nothing other than worsening our chances against the Ravens.

Let's use the famous Bill Belichick quote "I can only go by what I see".  So to be charitable, let's posit Baker looks just fine in practice this week.  Um, practice where anyone on the Browns defense would probably get fined for so much as touching him?  It's a tad different situation when the live bullets start flying in an actual NFL game.  Yeah Kev, you can overrule the medical staff if in your best judgement Baker isn't ready to play. 

[hoorta]

@orion said:

Yes.  If he's the starter, and the medical staff tells the coach that he can play, then the coach has to play him.  Otherwise, he would be benching the starter.

FWIW, NFL starters get benched on a regular basis for lousy play.  So he's medically cleared to play? Whoopee!!! I'll posit a 53 qbr (against the Lions) is third string backup territory.  Quote the Baker, nevermore... "I sucked"... Thank you Baker for telling us what we already knew.