Baker Mayfield

hoorta

@calfoxwc said:

Burrow is terrific.

He also has:

Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR

Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND

Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR

If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell

I call that utter bullshit. Our O-line is better, Burrow doesn't have pro bowl running back Nick Chubb.

So what? the Bengals Higgins and Boyd are not one iota better talent wise than our Landy, Higgins, and the Peoples guy. I'll even toss in their TE Uzomah, as opposed to our Austin Hooper- the guy who at the time we made the highest paid TE in the NFL? Who's got the better stats? Huh? Difference? A quarterback who happens to know when his TE wide open, uncovered for a gimme touchdown. How many hours you watched the Bengals this year? I'll bet not more than one. And THAT you obdurate WR fixation guy, you seemingly can't get through your thick head. Burrow makes them better, period... Because at this particular point in time, he's orders of magnitudes better than Baker. That's just a damn fact. . And just STOP with the bullshit on high draft picks crap. Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in.

nickers

@hoorta said:

I call that utter bullshit. Our O-line is better, Burrow doesn't have pro bowl running back Nick Chubb.

So what? the Bengals Higgins and Boyd are not one iota better talent wise than our Landy, Higgins, and the Peoples guy. I'll even toss in their TE Uzomah, as opposed to our Austin Hooper- the guy who at the time we made the highest paid TE in the NFL? Who's got the better stats? Huh? Difference? A quarterback who happens to know when his TE wide open, uncovered for a gimme touchdown. How many hours you watched the Bengals this year? I'll bet not more than one. And THAT you obdurate WR fixation guy, you seemingly can't get through your thick head. Burrow makes them better, period... Because at this particular point in time, he's orders of magnitudes better than Baker. That's just a damn fact. . And just STOP with the bullshit on high draft picks crap. Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in.

He has Joe Fuckin Mixon whose no slouch by any stretch of the imagination...

Browns149

It also helps Burrow that he is 6’4”.
And he came from a college, and a conference that is a lot more like the NFL then the big 12

The big 12 is run and shoot, no defense, wide open receivers playing against no name defensive players

hoorta

Zombo said:

Here is a couple "factoids" for you Larry:

1. Baltimore was missing 25 players. Shut up, and let that sink in.

2. As for owning the Bungles, we've won 6 of 7 contests in the Baker era, Baker is 3-0 versus Burrow, and the Browns have scored 113 points against the Bungle defense in those games, including a 41-16 bashing last month. I'm pretty sure you didn't miss that one.

How do you get gift wrapped the job that is already yours?

He's on year five of his starting QB contract next year, you can hope and pray he fails, but I think you're going to be highly disappointed.

z

Regarding the bold, you're in denial Z. It's a what have you done for lately me league. Two more suck performances will change Berry's thinking.

Shit, I'm not hoping he fails... I'm hoping all the dominoes fall perfectly, and the Browns get a home playoff game in about forever. In that unlikely scenario, I'll even be in the stands- despite the fact I could probably make a quick $1,000 bucks putting them up for sale on Ticketmaster. Regarding the Bengals... Outlier game, (just like the Lions beating the Cardinals) if the division is on the line? TBD. Let me give you the classic Investment disclaimer... "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."

hoorta

@nickers said:

He has Joe Fuckin Mixon whose no slouch by any stretch of the imagination...

OK, and Joe is making Baker look like Blake Bortels of late... Some folks around here have pretty active imaginations.

nickers

@hoorta said:

OK, and Joe is making Baker look like Blake Bortels of late... Some folks around here have pretty active imaginations.

Blake Bortles!! ROFL!... Now you've gone too far!!..The kid gets next year to right the ship... Because nobody worth a fuck is coming here... Blake Bortles was garbage from jump street... Baker has a playoff appearance and a victory.. This isnt Carlos Baerga doing roids then watching his talent vanish over night... Jesus...

Browns149

@nickers said:

Blake Bortles!! ROFL!... Now you've gone too far!!..The kid gets next year to right the ship... Because nobody worth a fuck is coming here... Blake Bortles was garbage from jump street... Baker has a playoff appearance and a victory.. This isnt Carlos Baerga doing roids then watching his talent vanish over night... Jesus...

I agree. Blake Bortles is a nothing QB. The guy has a record of 29-49. While Baker At least is a .500 QB at 29-29

I wouldn’t so easily dismiss nobody coming here

If Watson’s legal troubles go away, the Browns better be in on him

Dutch Oven

@nickers said:

Blake Bortles was garbage from jump street... Baker has a playoff appearance and a victory..

Blake Bortles won a division title and two playoff games, including at Pittsburgh, in 2017, and damn near beat New England in the AFC Championship.

Which kind of proves that beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh in the playoffs isn't the end-all some here make it out to be.

tiamat63

@dutch-oven said:

Blake Bortles won a division title and two playoff games, including at Pittsburgh, in 2017, and damn near beat New England in the AFC Championship.

Which kind of proves that beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh in the playoffs isn't the end-all some here make it out to be.

Oh snaps

tiamat63

The Baker to Burrow comparison only really holds up depending on something crucial - does anyone believe Burrow would throw the same game-losing turnovers that Baker has this season?

Keep in mind, Baker is about to wrap up his 4th full season as a starter. And I'd you include Burrow missing 1/4 of last season, Joe is finishing up his first 1.5 years as a starter. His turnover worthy throws have been cut in half since the start of the season (11 ints first 8 games, 3 since in 7) while Bakers turnover worthy rate has increased.

A hypothetical, but one to ask ourselves.

I'm of the mind that we likely would be +3 in the win category with the fewer turnovers and average play. At minimum likely beating the Steelers at home and the Ravens on the road.

That is the only comparison which matters in this case. Since the start of the 2018 season, no QB in the NFL has thrown more ints than Baker. That is the biggest red flag.

SkippinTurtles

Trade for Tua. Everyone thinks he's a bum. He throws bad picks early in games, gets pissed and wins. Miami wants Watson. A bag of oranges would get Tua. Those idiots love natural disasters and citrus.

nickers

@dutch-oven said:

Blake Bortles won a division title and two playoff games, including at Pittsburgh, in 2017, and damn near beat New England in the AFC Championship.

Which kind of proves that beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh in the playoffs isn't the end-all some here make it out to be.

He stunk and is no longer playing...

gumby73

No two QB's need a bigger bounce back game than Ben & Baker...

Ben has played his worse 2 games in 2021, that I've seen him play at KC/ vs. Tenn. ... Titans not much better... Ben's been sacked 10 times in his last 3 games..

@KC 23 of 35 = 159 yards

L

36-10

TEN 16 of 25 = 148 yards

W

19-13

( sure sounds like were going to have some real Nervous Nancy's on this board, if Burrow & Lamar lose prior to this game? : - ) Let's Go #6 !

SdBacker80

@gumby73 said:

No two QB's need a bigger bounce back game than Ben & Baker...

Ben has played his worse 2 games in 2021, that I've seen him play at KC/ vs. Tenn. ... Titans not much better... Ben's been sacked 10 times in his last 3 games..

@KC 23 of 35 = 159 yards

L

36-10

TEN 16 of 25 = 148 yards

W

19-13

( sure sounds like were going to have some real Nervous Nancy's on this board, if Burrow & Lamar lose prior to this game? : - ) Let's Go #6 !

Teams are crowding the line of scrimmage jamming Steeler WRs and bringing pressure up the middle on Ben and essentially challenging the Steeler Oline to hold up and Ben to make throws downfield. I’ve watched too.

I hope we take note on Monday.

SdBacker80

I have to laugh at this Baker vs Burrow comparison. Maybe the NFL makes adjustments to Burrow and he has to adapt/adjust and prove himself but he doesn’t have the same flaws we all talk about with Baker. Right now the comparison is Maserati vs Honda. The Honda is cool if you had a 1998 Pontiac Aztec the past couple decades.

And Burrow would love to have the time he would get behind this line (he’d be better with it). And he has some young WRs that don’t always run the routes correctly (heck see our game Chase is not even close to having any polish in his routes).

gumby73

@sdbacker80 said:

Teams are crowding the line of scrimmage jamming Steeler WRs and bringing pressure up the middle on Ben and essentially challenging the Steeler Oline to hold up and Ben to make throws downfield. I’ve watched too.

I hope we take note on Monday.

You saw the same games I did... Well done!

I really hope our best physical corner is back in Greg Newsome.. We can't let Claypool just get free runs off the LOS...hit this punk cleanly on every snap..

SdBacker80

@gumby73 said:

You saw the same games I did... Well done!

I really hope our best physical corner is back in Greg Newsome.. We can't let Claypool just get free runs off the LOS...hit this punk cleanly on every snap..

Agree!! And We definitely need to rallying and tackle on those WR screens.

calfoxwc

@hoorta said:

I call that utter bullshit. Our O-line is better, Burrow doesn't have pro bowl running back Nick Chubb.

So what? the Bengals Higgins and Boyd are not one iota better talent wise than our Landy, Higgins, and the Peoples guy. I'll even toss in their TE Uzomah, as opposed to our Austin Hooper- the guy who at the time we made the highest paid TE in the NFL? Who's got the better stats? Huh? Difference? A quarterback who happens to know when his TE wide open, uncovered for a gimme touchdown. How many hours you watched the Bengals this year? I'll bet not more than one. And THAT you obdurate WR fixation guy, you seemingly can't get through your thick head. Burrow makes them better, period... Because at this particular point in time, he's orders of magnitudes better than Baker. That's just a damn fact. . And just STOP with the bullshit on high draft picks crap. Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in.

How convenient you didn't list Ja'Marr Chase. A super star WR. I even mentioned him. The attention he gets makes the other two SECOND ROUND PICKS a hell of a lot better. The Browns DO NOT HAVE ONE. Can you hear me NOW? And I said nothing about olines or comparing TE's. You miss the point AGAIN. The Browns do NOT HAVE A STAR WR.

https://www.sportsline.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-offensive-rookie-of-year-odds-bengals-jamarr-chase-still-has-shot-of-catching-patriots-mac-jones-for-award/

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/12/28/22854769/bengals-week-16-rookie-stock-report-ravens-jamarr-chase-evan-mcpherson

And you can't be serious. Rashard has 23 catches, 1 TD. Tee has 71 catches, 6 TD's. Higgins isn't good at getting open man to man. He isn't explosive.

and Tyler Boyd has 63 catches, 4 TD's, Peoples-Jones has 28 catches, 3 TD's.

You just did another drunken mexican hat dance trying to smart off. Having a superstar WR like Ja'marr Chase helps the other wr's get OPEN.

So, go ahead. You show all of us that many times when Baker didn't throw to HIggins when he was wide open. We'll wait.

calfoxwc

Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in. Hoorta

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and another thing. JuJu was drafted in the second round. They got a steal in Claypool. But Claypool has been quieter by a lot, even had ZERO CATCHES just recently vs Tenn.

Want to know why? What is the difference? same qb.

It's because Claypool has a lot tougher time because JuJu is on INJURED RESERVE.

Again, all I'm saying, is that the Browns need a true, dynamic lead #1 wr. And generally, those come up in the first and second rounds. The Browns haven't drafted a wr in the first round since Corey Coleman. A star #1 wr requires a lot of attention - like Ja'marr Chase.

btw, even in some the fine work Tiam did - every single wr of the Browns was completely totally covered. When Landry finally got open over the middle, it was too late. Not a knock on Landry, but he gets attention that would ordinarily do to a #1 star receiver. If the Browns had a Ja'Marr chase, do you honestly think it would not help Landry?

Icecube

Zombo said:

Here is a couple "factoids" for you Larry:

1. Baltimore was missing 25 players. Shut up, and let that sink in.

2. As for owning the Bungles, we've won 6 of 7 contests in the Baker era, Baker is 3-0 versus Burrow, and the Browns have scored 113 points against the Bungle defense in those games, including a 41-16 bashing last month. I'm pretty sure you didn't miss that one.

How do you get gift wrapped the job that is already yours?

He's on year five of his staerting QB contract next year, you can hope and pray he fails, but I think you're going to be highly disappointed.

z

When/if Baker heals up some, he should play better, but will healing correct his inability to find the open man? I doubt it. Baker is who he is: a sparky, fired up player who uses criticism as fuel. But, this is the NFL; that alone only gets you so far. If you can't develop the skill to see the whole field and find the open man, you will not become a good or great QB. You just won't ever get there. And when it comes down to crunch time, Baker has proven he will go bust and F up. How many times have we seen it? How many do we need to?