Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.

Kvoethe

So is this douche playing or not?

htownbrown

Gorka

@laiccm said:

People on this thread acting as if the Browns had been going to Superbowls recently and the Watson drama has derailed the franchise. Truths

We weren't doing crap before Watson

Watson is our best chance at getting to a Superbowl

Watson seems creepy

Grand jury(who will indict anything) went through 22 separate charges and did not indict. Go ahead and find a case where someone was facing more than 10 and not 1 charge stuck. Says something negative about the plaintiffs no matter how you want to spin it.

The plaintiffs (women) situation seems weird they all represented by the McNair's (Texans owners) good friend and neighbor

You don't seem to understand the situation. The reason the grand jury didn't indict is because they found no criminality in being a scumbag.

Watson is being charged with sexual misconduct which although not a crime, can be subject to a civil suit. Inappropriate touching for example is sexual misconduct or harassment. Not being indicted for a crime doesn't absolve him from being punished for behavior unbecoming an NFL player. I believe the 22 women.

And no one is acting as if the Browns had been going to Super Bowls. Don't know how the fuck you derived at that.

Yeah Watson seems creepy. At least you got that right.

ballpeen

@hoorta said:

Oh, I'm not worked up about it at all... Except 'Peen... The two teams that actually make it to the Super Bowl get 18.5% of the available tickets. If you want to assume SoFi seats 80,000. That means the Bengals got nearly 15,000 tickets.... AND long time season ticket holders still got shut out. Yes, the Browns only got 700 tickets or so this past February, those probably went to players & their wives, coaches, and a few big buck corporate sponsors.

Thanks for reminding me on the 18% figure. I somehow knew that and didn't remember.

It still sounds like you are worked up over season ticket holders being shut out.

As I have come to understand, the conference championships are for the fans. Season ticket holders are first in line to be able to buy those. I don't have to buy the tickets to my seats if I don't want to buy them. Those aren't included in your season ticket package. The Superbowl is for the league and sponsors. It's probably been that way for the last 30 or more years.

Your season tickets are good for home games, not games outside of the teams stadium. I do get that it would be nice if us fans had a shot at some tickets, and I am sure some do. If I had to guess it starts with suite holders. PB stadium probably has 100 suites. Each person or company that owns one probably gets a shot at tickets and it is probably more like 10-20 tickets available for each, not 2.

Westside Steve

Not that it really proves anything one way or the other. WTF is going on just after 11 minutes?

Hard to imagine all 22 are lying or that all 22 are telling the whole truth.

WSS

gumby73

This... who's the hole thing may never end

I've read/seen all I'm gonna see..

Your NFL Conduct Policy can talk big talk about players not hurting your NFL brand..

So, at this time, the only thing Watson may have done was use his NFL money/nfl fame to outsource to many massage's..

Amend your conduct policy books & move along to waiting the outcome of the civil cases next season..

I'm going with D. Wat get's 2 suspended games.. Panthers/Jets..

Back for the Steelers on TNF sounds NFL'ish

laiccm

@gorka said:

You don't seem to understand the situation. The reason the grand jury didn't indict is because they found no criminality in being a scumbag.

Watson is being charged with sexual misconduct which although not a crime, can be subject to a civil suit. Inappropriate touching for example is sexual misconduct or harassment. Not being indicted for a crime doesn't absolve him from being punished for behavior unbecoming an NFL player. I believe the 22 women.

And no one is acting as if the Browns had been going to Super Bowls. Don't know how the fuck you derived at that.

Yeah Watson seems creepy. At least you got that right.

Your're not making sense. If Watson forced oral sex or touching of the sort (including ejaculation) as the plaintiffs stated-that is a crime., You don't seem to understand the law or what I was saying. A grand jury have and will indict over much less. Research the Tyson rape case for example. Desiree Washington went to Tyson's hotel room alone at 1am approximately, both said something sexual happened, No physical evidence, Tyson said it was consensual, Washington said it wasn't. Tyson did 3 years in prison.

Grand juries are so apt to indict that the Freedom project was invented to gain release from the falsely imprisoned. I tried to intern for them when I was in law school. There are people serving decades in prison with no physical evidence.

For this grand jury in Texas to comb through 22 separate charges, not a class action suit...and do nothing on single sorry.....sorry homie...those plaintiffs look bad. Come to find out none of them called the police and all have the same attorney because multiple attorneys turned them down.

When people are saying you sold the Browns future for this guy...wtf was the past? That's a variable on the future. The past is no Superbowls......

laiccm

@calfoxwc said:

meanwhile, back to the subject - the preview - on Fox 8 tomorrow at six, a bombastic statement by one of the women who are suing sleazy watson.

so, I saw on the sports news that the browns released Felix Harper, qb.

who is black.

Now, the question I bring up is, with not THAT many black qb's in the NFL, how is it that the browns traded for, signed FOUR black qbs this year? without doing it UNintentionally? It seems to show their desire to be popular with the big cities for bigger network contracts. The giant hideous price they paid for sleazy is the first of four indications that they had some kind of intent to do what they did.

I wouldn't think to ask the question, except for the 3 first round draft picks and guaranteed con......

dammit.

Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?

laiccm

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

DieHardBrownsFan1

@laiccm said:

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

Because that is chump change to him.

Canton Dawg

@laiccm said:

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

Because he can afford it? ?

SdBacker80

People show appreciation in a variety of ways.

Whipping up a special meal, Notes, flowers, gifts, money…etc.

He wanted “4” it was worth a Rolex.

mjp28

@laiccm said:

A. .Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

B. Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

C. Honestly trying to team build?

And yes A, B, C .....A mixture of the 3?

D. Trying to repair some of the damage he has created.

E. Maybe he feels bad that he got this monster contract -and- has caused the city of Cleveland and the BROWNS to become the NFL laughingstock in the league.

I'm sure there are more.

GO BROWNS !

mjp28

Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.

Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.

Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.

Current Contract

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.

His age....base salary....signing bonus.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise quarterback numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000

SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000

AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000

GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000

TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000

FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA

	CAP DETAILS	CASH DETAILS
YEAR	AGE	BASE bSALARBaseY	SIGNING	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2022	27	$1,035,000	$8,993,000	$10,028,000	$230,000,000	$46,000,000($46,000,000)
2023	28	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$219,972,000	$46,000,000($92,000,000)
2024	29	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$164,979,000	$46,000,000($138,000,000)
2025	30	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$109,986,000	$46,000,000($184,000,000)
2026	31	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$54,993,000	$46,000,000($230,000,000)
2027	32	UFA
Contract Notes: $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary) $44.965M Signing Bonus Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension

Kvoethe

230 million reasons...thats like a 10 dollar secret santa to him.

He wont see the field...230 million pissed away

mjp28

@kvoethe said:

230 million reasons...thats like a 10 dollar secret santa to him.

He wont see the field...230 million pissed away

I wonder how much DW is going to give to the community, charities, unpublished and unseen gifts to the community that he's embarrassed.

OR is he going to wait and see what these broads and their lawyers are going to hit him up for before playing secret santa to anyone.

.......oh things like signing bonuses like workout bonuses or reporting bonuses just crack me up. HOW ABOUT guarantees for performance ? These top level players really have it made now.

Westside Steve

@westside-steve said:

Not that it really proves anything one way or the other. WTF is going on just after 11 minutes?

Hard to imagine all 22 are lying or that all 22 are telling the whole truth.

WSS

Looks like HBO or somebody decided to disable the video, oh well. Of the two chicks the first one scene. Thought I'd like the second one a little bit not so much. Here's a recap from Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/25/questions-browns-still-havent-answered-on-deshaun-watson

And I'm guessing it's probably option three.

WSS

hoorta

@mjp28 said:

Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money. Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses.

Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more. A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.

Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe.

Current Contract

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.

The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash. Nice franchise numbers.

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000 AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000 TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000 FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA

BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS
YEAR AGE BASE bSALARBaseY SIGNING CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH
2022 27 $1,035,000 $8,993,000 $10,028,000 $230,000,000 $46,000,000($46,000,000)
2023 28 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $219,972,000 $46,000,000($92,000,000)
2024 29 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $164,979,000 $46,000,000($138,000,000)
2025 30 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $109,986,000 $46,000,000($184,000,000)
2026 31 $46,000,000 $8,993,000 $54,993,000 $54,993,000 $46,000,000($230,000,000)
2027 32 UFA

Contract Notes:
$230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary)

$44.965M Signing Bonus

Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension

Yeah, for us peons that's a lot of money... But It's also before taxes. Wonder how guys like Watson shelter that money from the IRS? Top federal rate 37%, Ohio 3.6%, Cleveland 2.5% agent 3%... We're up to 46% and when you're making that much, the amount you can put in an IRA isn't even chump change. Oh- add in another 1.45% Medicare tax, and there's no limit on how much the uber rich have to keep paying.

Wonder if the IRS will let Deshaun deduct that team junket to the Caribbean as a "business expense".

Orion

Obviously there's a lot of smoke...so there's probably some fire somewhere there. But by the same token, whatever he said, suggested or did has probably been done by many others before and since. But the others aren't worth suing.

Gorka

@laiccm said:

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

He has always donated to those less fortunate than him.