Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.

[laiccm]

@gorka said:

You don't seem to understand the situation. The reason the grand jury didn't indict is because they found no criminality in being a scumbag. 

Watson is being charged with sexual misconduct which although not a crime, can be subject to a civil suit. Inappropriate touching for example is  sexual misconduct or harassment. Not being indicted for a crime doesn't absolve him from being punished for behavior unbecoming an NFL player. I believe the 22 women.

And no one is acting as if the Browns had been going to Super Bowls. Don't know how the fuck you derived at that.

Yeah Watson seems creepy. At least you got that right.

Your're not making sense. If Watson forced oral sex or touching of the sort (including ejaculation) as the plaintiffs stated-that is a crime., You don't seem to understand the law or what I was saying. A grand jury have and will indict over much less. Research the Tyson rape case for example. Desiree Washington went to Tyson's hotel room alone at 1am approximately, both said something sexual happened, No physical evidence, Tyson said it was consensual, Washington said it wasn't. Tyson did 3 years in prison. 

Grand juries are so apt to indict that the Freedom project was invented to gain release from the falsely imprisoned. I tried to intern for them when I was in law school. There are people serving decades in prison with no physical evidence. 

For this grand jury in Texas to comb through 22 separate charges, not a class action suit...and do nothing on  single sorry.....sorry homie...those plaintiffs look bad. Come to find out none of them called the police and all have the same attorney because multiple attorneys turned them down. 

When people are saying you sold the Browns future for this guy...wtf was the past? That's a variable on the future. The past is no Superbowls......

[laiccm]

@calfoxwc said:

meanwhile, back to the subject - the preview - on Fox 8 tomorrow at six, a bombastic statement by one of the women who are suing sleazy watson.

so, I saw on the sports news that the browns released Felix Harper, qb.

who is black.

Now, the question I bring up is, with not THAT many black qb's in the NFL, how is it that the browns traded for, signed FOUR black qbs this year? without doing it UNintentionally? It seems to show their desire to be popular with the big cities for bigger network contracts. The giant hideous price they paid for sleazy is the first of four indications that they had some kind of intent to do what they did.

   I wouldn't think to ask the question, except for the 3 first round draft picks and guaranteed con......

dammit.

Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?

[laiccm]

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

[DieHardBrownsFan1]

@laiccm said:

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

Because that is chump change to him.

[Canton Dawg]

@laiccm said:

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

Because he can afford it? ?

[SdBacker80]

People show appreciation in a variety of ways.

Whipping up a special meal, Notes, flowers, gifts, money…etc. 

He wanted “4” it was worth a Rolex. 

[mjp28]

@laiccm said:

A.  .Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

B.   Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

C.   Honestly trying to team build?

And yes A, B, C  .....A mixture of the 3?

D. Trying to repair some of the damage he has created.

E. Maybe he feels bad that he got this monster contract   -and-   has caused the city of  Cleveland and the  BROWNS to become the NFL laughingstock in the league. 

I'm sure there are more.

GO BROWNS  !

[mjp28]

Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money.  Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses. 

Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more.  A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.

Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe. 

Current Contract

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.

His age....base salary....signing bonus.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash.  Nice franchise quarterback numbers.   

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000

SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000

AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000

GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000

TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000

FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA

	BONUS BREAKDOWN	CAP DETAILS	CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE bSALARBaseY	SIGNING	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2022		27	$1,035,000	$8,993,000	$10,028,000	$230,000,000	$46,000,000($46,000,000)
2023		28	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$219,972,000	$46,000,000($92,000,000)
2024		29	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$164,979,000	$46,000,000($138,000,000)
2025		30	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$109,986,000	$46,000,000($184,000,000)
2026		31	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$54,993,000	$46,000,000($230,000,000)
2027		32	UFA
Contract Notes: $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary) $44.965M Signing Bonus Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension

[Kvoethe]

230 million reasons...thats like a 10 dollar secret santa to him.

He wont see the field...230 million pissed away

[mjp28]

@kvoethe said:

230 million reasons...thats like a 10 dollar secret santa to him.

He wont see the field...230 million pissed away

I wonder how much DW is going to give to the community,  charities,  unpublished and unseen gifts to the community that he's embarrassed. 

OR is he going to wait and see what these broads and their lawyers are going to hit him up for before playing secret santa to anyone.  

.......oh things like signing bonuses like workout bonuses  or reporting bonuses just crack me up. HOW ABOUT guarantees for performance ?  These top level players really have it made now.

[Westside Steve]

@westside-steve said:

Not that it really proves anything one way or the other. WTF is going on just after 11 minutes?

Hard to imagine all 22 are lying or that all 22 are telling the whole truth.

WSS

Looks like HBO or somebody decided to disable the video, oh well. Of the two chicks the first one scene. Thought I'd like the second one a little bit not so much. Here's a recap from Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/25/questions-browns-still-havent-answered-on-deshaun-watson

And I'm guessing it's probably option three.

WSS

[hoorta]

@mjp28 said:

Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money.  Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses. 

Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more.  A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.

Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe. 

Current Contract

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.

The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash.  Nice franchise numbers.   

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000

SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000

AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000

GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000

TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000

FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA

	BONUS BREAKDOWN	CAP DETAILS	CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE bSALARBaseY	SIGNING	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2022		27	$1,035,000	$8,993,000	$10,028,000	$230,000,000	$46,000,000($46,000,000)
2023		28	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$219,972,000	$46,000,000($92,000,000)
2024		29	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$164,979,000	$46,000,000($138,000,000)
2025		30	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$109,986,000	$46,000,000($184,000,000)
2026		31	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$54,993,000	$46,000,000($230,000,000)
2027		32	UFA
Contract Notes: $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary) $44.965M Signing Bonus Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension

Yeah, for us peons that's a lot of money... But It's also before taxes.  Wonder how guys like Watson shelter that money from the IRS? Top federal rate 37%, Ohio 3.6%, Cleveland 2.5% agent 3%...   We're up to 46% and when you're making that much, the amount you can put in an IRA isn't even chump change.  Oh- add in another 1.45% Medicare tax, and there's no limit on how much the uber rich have to keep paying.  

Wonder if the IRS will let Deshaun deduct that team junket to the Caribbean as a "business expense".    

[Orion]

Obviously there's a lot of smoke...so there's probably some fire somewhere there.  But by the same token, whatever he said, suggested or did has probably been done by many others before and since.  But the others aren't worth suing.  

[Gorka]

@laiccm said:

Is it because he is trying to buy loyalty?

Is it because he is apologizing for what they are going through because of him?

Honestly trying to team build?

A mixture of the 3?

He has always donated to those less fortunate than him.

[calfoxwc]

@laiccm said:

Hilariously ridiculous....maybe all the white QBs keep letting them down so they're trying something else??lol....or maybe...just maybe... you didn't notice that all the quarterbacks are tall, mobile with big arms and 2 of them have solid resumes and 3 of the 4 were very inexpensive?

ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?

[mjp28]

@hoorta said:

Yeah, for us peons that's a lot of money... But It's also before taxes.  Wonder how guys like Watson shelter that money from the IRS? Top federal rate 37%, Ohio 3.6%, Cleveland 2.5% agent 3%...   We're up to 46% and when you're making that much, the amount you can put in an IRA isn't even chump change.  Oh- add in another 1.45% Medicare tax, and there's no limit on how much the uber rich have to keep paying.  

Wonder if the IRS will let Deshaun deduct that team junket to the Caribbean as a "business expense".    

That's what you have tax guys for besides paying the local taxes in each city you play in.  YES they all want a cut of these big earners pays.

And 37% isn't really as bad as it was in the past up to 90% but I don't worry about them especially with those 000,000s on their game checks.

I am concerned about the little guys and gals, I started a tax business long ago and turned it over to a friend and she had done quite well with it.  I also did taxes for over 30 years just quitting about 6+ years ago.   Remember you should be aware of your personal situations and the brackets you are in.  And here they are......

Marginal Rates: For tax year 2022, the top tax rate remains 37% for individual single taxpayers with incomes greater than $539,900 ($647,850 for married couples filing jointly).

The other rates are:
35%, for incomes over $215,950 ($431,900 for married couples filing jointly);
32% for incomes over $170,050 ($340,100 for married couples filing jointly);
24% for incomes over $89,075 ($178,150 for married couples filing jointly);
22% for incomes over $41,775 ($83,550 for married couples filing jointly);
12% for incomes over $10,275 ($20,550 for married couples filing jointly).
The lowest rate is 10% for incomes of single individuals with incomes of $10,275 or less ($20,550 for married couples filing jointly).

[Orion]

@calfoxwc said:

How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?

Sure.  But we've seen how often that fails or falls woefully short.  But when a guy who's already proven in the league comes available...and he's still young...and he's of that upper tier talent level that you're looking for...well...the Rams did it.  And if we didn't do it he'd probably have become a Saint. (the irony of that).

Going with the proven NFL talent as opposed to drafting a guy has got to be the odds on better choice.  Especially with this past draft class.

All that said, this particular 'proven talent' comes with legal issues which could and probably will result in an availability problem / suspension.  And then you're hoping that he keeps his nose clean for the rest of his football career.   Finally there's the 3 first rounders...but that's what it costs to do business. 

How long have we been floundering...drafting bum QB after bum QB?  Do we want to go back to doing that again?  Trying to guess which QB in the draft won't be a flop?  Keep in mind, the organization (along with some of us here) came to the conclusion that Baker was not good enough to take the team where we all want it to go.  - Let's hope they lucked out and are right about Watson.  

[Westside Steve]

@calfoxwc said:

ah. then why are they not with their same teams, eh? go figure..... How about DRAFTING a tall, big armed qb dammit?

It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.

WSS

[laiccm]

@mjp28 said:

Just to focus on the current ongoing problems like I always say follow the money.  Just look at the guaranteed money and signing bonuses. 

Is he worth what the BROWNS have shelled out so far and how much to repair the BROWNS' image and more.  A colossal mess and they are married to it for years.

Will a Super Bowl make it even ? Maybe. 

Current Contract

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2022, Watson will earn a base salary of $1,035,000 and a signing bonus of $44,965,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,028,000 and a dead cap value of $230,000,000.

The yearly numbers.....base salary....salary.....cap hit...dead cap...yearly cash.  Nice franchise numbers.   

CONTRACT TERMS:5 yr(s) / $230,000,000

SIGNING BONUS$44,965,000

AVERAGE SALARY$46,000,000

GTD AT SIGN:$230,000,000

TOTAL GTD:$230,000,000

FREE AGENT:2027 / UFA

	BONUS BREAKDOWN	CAP DETAILS	CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE bSALARBaseY	SIGNING	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2022		27	$1,035,000	$8,993,000	$10,028,000	$230,000,000	$46,000,000($46,000,000)
2023		28	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$219,972,000	$46,000,000($92,000,000)
2024		29	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$164,979,000	$46,000,000($138,000,000)
2025		30	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$109,986,000	$46,000,000($184,000,000)
2026		31	$46,000,000	$8,993,000	$54,993,000	$54,993,000	$46,000,000($230,000,000)
2027		32	UFA
Contract Notes: $230M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2022 salary + 2023 salary + 2024 salary + 2025 salary + 2026 salary) $44.965M Signing Bonus Language exists that will not forfeit signing bonus or void future guarantees upon suspension

IMO A Superbowl makes it well worth it!

[mjp28]

@westside-steve said:

It hasn't worked yet. How many quarterbacks are drafted every year and how many of them fail? How many of them fail because they aren't very good how many of them would fail because their team sucks? How many of them fail because the front office is fickle and pulls the plug on everything over and over? On the other hand we've had some big tall strong-armed quarterbacks... No cigars. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Watson, but this move seems like it could be more of a sure thing then rolling a dice in the draft.

WSS

Yes, the odds of any team finding a prototypical 6' 5"  245 lb franchise quarterback are maybe one every 10-20 years.  Occasionally you will have one of those QB rich drafts but that's more the exception than the rule.

Can you work with a 6' 5" draftee and turn him into a franchise quarterback same odds.  Much easier said than done. 

That's why teams spend $×××,×××,××× to land that missing piece of the puzzle.