Could we mix in a 4-3?
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3 options:
A) Kam forgot how to play football.
Our "coaches" "coached" him to play how he is. -Use of quotations signifies the terms are used very loosely.
C) He only has one move and watching 5 minutes of tape fully prepares anyone on the opposing team to make him a non-factor.
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3 options:A) Kam forgot how to play football.
Our "coaches" "coached" him to play how he is. -Use of quotations signifies the terms are used very loosely.
C) He only has one move and watching 5 minutes of tape fully prepares anyone on the opposing team to make him a non-factor.
I'll take C, with B being why that is still the case.
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and, again, it comes back to, ultimately, romeo's schemes and coaches hindering this team.
he's the one teaching tucker his shitty version of the 3-4. it's his choices as LB coaches that haven't helped wimbley improve at all. i, for one, still think wimbley has the talent. we should get whoever coached dwight freeney into the monster that he is to work with wimbley. i think the two are comparable athletes.
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I got to nit pick here the listing should be DT for both Rogers and Williams (RT and LT are O positions).
I was trying to be specific an indicate I'd have Rogers on the left side with Smith as opposed to with Wimbley. Cute comment either way.
My thinking here was that Wimbley's (supposed) athleticism bolstered by McGinnest's solid play against the run might have some degree of dynacism. I don't like Hall as an everydown OLB in a 4-3 as yet. Too much responsibility in space.
Also, by going four linemen it allows Rogers to be even more of a gap shooter as opposed to a space eater and is Williams more natural element.
Same personnel, but might create different results.
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we already run a 4-man line on passing downs. it doesn't work.But those 4 guys are alwasy in pass rush mode, so to speak.
In Greythan's plan there, those OLB would really play DE in running plans. Results might not differ, but at least for some downs those guys would actually be setting up and attacking at the run, not just the pass.
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then rogers and shaun smith would man the middle.
i think, among my other concerns, is that 3-4 OLB and 4-3 OLB are such different positions. in the 4-3, OLBs have to stop running backs and cover. they don't really rush the passer, which, despite their inability to do so, is what we've drafted our OLBs to do.
wimbley's a converted 4-3 DE. i think hall is, too, for that matter. our only natural linebackers of note are d'qwell, andra davis, leon williams and beau bell, and of those four, i only ever want to see two on the field. moreover, i only want to see bell to find out if he can even play.
a line of willie, corey williams, shaun rogers and shaun smith would likely stuff the run, but they'd never, ever get to the QB. i guess, though, they'd be doing one thing right, which is more than we're doing right now.
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Williams might get to the QB. On passing downs you bring in Wimbley or Hall (or both to be your pass rushers).
Willie McGinist is a convered DE too (was a DE at USC). He also played it some in NE when they needed.
Not sure it would work, but hell, ain't like things are working now....lol.
It's all hypathetical anyway.
What I do know is if I was running it, I sure wouldn't play this passive reactionary D they play now.
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The point of my suggestion is you'd have McGinnest behind Wimbley on downs with higher running play probabilities. Again, the idea is freeing up our natural DT's (Rogers and Williams) to be the impact players (since our LB's aren't) as opposed to the reverse we're trying for in the 3-4.
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The point of my suggestion is you'd have McGinnest behind Wimbley on downs with higher running play probabilities. Again, the idea is freeing up our natural DT's (Rogers and Williams) to be the impact players (since our LB's aren't) as opposed to the reverse we're trying for in the 3-4.I like this thought & hadn't thought of it as an option before. Maybe Tucker (previously a DB coach) could work with Hall this offseason on his coverage ability and line him up on the opposite side behind Corey and have the same dynamic end, albeit in reverse. Jackson & Bell as the other two LBs?
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